posted February 12, 2008 01:21 PM              

i think often the negative is greatly correlated with the most positive thing of that sign.. for example with Aquarius, i think their negative that they can ostracize others just for their own popularity... at its very best, Aquarius will be strong enough to include all people in its good intentions, without any scapegoats.

also with Aries, its willpower can sometimes be so strong that it will only act for its self, completely without a care for others. at its best, it will use its will to do good things for the better of everyone.

again i just want to say i dont have anything against any sign!! i just think this may be useful for us

aries- self centered in the respect that they will not respect others wishes when they want to get what they want

taurus- they can be bullys if they desire to have something; they are stubborn and unwilling to change their opinions under any circumstance; conservative and concerned about securing their position in the midst of things

gemini- very skeptical, esp of good intentions; rely on what they feel is "logical" and deny others of any understanding if its conflicts with their views

cancer- very moody; self-centered in the sense they sometimes forget that others go through emotional ups and downs too; know how to hurt others emotionally

leo- self-centered in creating a power hierarchy with themselves at the top; oblivious to the idea that others may need some attention cast toward themselves

virgo- critical; can expect others to live up to high, impossible standards when they themselves dont have their lives in order

libra- judgmental; they feel they are the only ones who know the difference between right and wrong and will lay their judgment on others even when its not their business

scorpio- manipulative; so desirous to achieve what they want, that they are willing to use the low psychological power struggles to get it

saggitarius- insulting and cutting with their words and sarcasm; they will be happy and generous to others only when it is in their interest; their ideas in life are skewed to suit themselves

capricorn- will find it very difficult to justify their self worth or reputation but will be quick to crush the reputation of those they dont like

aquarius- concerned with attaining popularity and fame and not opposed to using someone else or another group as a scape goat to get there

posted February 12, 2008 01:58 PM              

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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

posted February 12, 2008 08:13 PM            

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aries- self centered in the respect that they will not respect others wishes when they want to get what they want

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pisces- self-centered in the sense that they follow their own flow and "intuition" regardless of the impact it may have on themselves or others; completely oblivious to the expectations of the world around them

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cancer- very moody; self-centered in the sense they sometimes forget that others go through emotional ups and downs too; know how to hurt others emotionally

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posted February 12, 2008 08:30 PM            

I don't agree with gemini. I think they tend to be more trusting that skepital, this is why they often are freinds with less savory characters, they just like to make that connection with people, aren't discriminatory enough.

I believe geminis flaws tend to be their really unstable/high strung nature. They're so changeable they have no solidity, no base, and their lives get out of their control. They can be very superficial in their relationships, having many acquaintances but no real frinds, and can talk about themselves or just talk in a report like fashion without really listening at all.

posted February 12, 2008 09:06 PM              

hey kfn, i used "self-centered" in the sense that every sign is self-centered in some way.. i just meant to explain which way.

blueroamer, i surprised you disagreed with me on the gemini - my granddad and two ex-boyfriends were Geminis and i feel like i'm surrounded by them.

its true that typically they can be high-strung and skinny and bouncy - but surprisingly most i have met are slow-moving- but just somewhat disconnected from their bodies in the sense that they "live" in their minds.

i suppose the negative side of Gemini i feel is that they feel they hold the "key to knowledge".. they know the facts "the best".. and they often do because they are trivia-people.. throw them a year and they know what happened... or they'll be a music junkie and know the name of every band created in punk rock from 65-79 or something...

in general though, i think Geminis themselves need to work on "getting their facts" straight. if you ever met a moon in Gemini person (both of my parents were) you might notice they will rationalize their emotions.. but rationalize them on all these false precepts.. and they will argue so strongly for them.. and you'll find yourself asking ????

posted February 12, 2008 10:01 PM              

i think ill post another list soon which attempts to explain how every sign is a "reaction" to the negative attributes to the opposite sign.

posted February 12, 2008 11:46 PM              

Pisces can be very "in the clouds" and this can be either positive or negative. just because Neptune's influence is strong - it doesn't mean that there is no discernment to be made in the intuitive realm between what we should follow and what we shouldn't follow. Pisces's problem is that it is trapped in illusions which feel like "intuitive thinking" and Pisces needs to learn from Virgo which of these are really good.

Pisces is a dreamer, but it needs to test its dreams out in the material world rather than running away the difficulty of reality through escapism. In the process of testing out, it will learn which of its so called "intuitive" judgments were actually true to its own heart or were just another mind-illusion.

Another major trap for Pisces is self-righteousness. I've met quite a few Pisceans like this.. They feel like they always act with the best of will and intentions in mind and don't understand why everybody is blaming them for what they're doing. What Pisces needs to learn from Virgo is that there is more to your actions than your intentions - there are the actual results of the actions.. this is why Virgo focuses so much on concrete results and can be overly controlling of the material realm.

posted February 13, 2008 12:09 AM            

I like your placements.

posted February 13, 2008 09:41 AM            

I bond best with folks with high Neptune influence or alot of Pisces complimented by some other sun.

However, Neptune is not all about escapism, illusion. He is also about divinity and spirituality, kindness, helping the lesser fortunate, etc.

I could not live without living from my soul-center, intuitive, self day to day.

And I think it is erroneous to state that Pisces uses intuition without regard for another. "Intuition" is god-send and always good, so therefore, could not be used for anything but good...IF it is true intuition. Intuition, has nothing to do with the Neptune illusion or fog you speak of...since a very, very young girl I have known this.

(by the way our fog as you put it, protects our very sensitive selves from the sometimes horrible world it is out there)

There is nothing wrong with a dreamer, we are who we are...I would much rather be my mystical, dreamy, intuitive self who walks through life 3 feet above the ground than my over-grounded, cynical, pickey Virgo mother...

I like me just fine.

We are all on our own paths and "negative" balances "positive."

As long as we are in human form "ego" will never be entirely risen above..ego is part of human.

posted February 13, 2008 10:31 AM            

My Sun sign of Gemini is also a mutable sign at risk of dissipation.

Gemini is interested in everything. In a world of information overload, this puts us at at risk of spreading our interests and attention too thinly, and struggling to accomplish our goals. Something else will grab our attention and take us away from what we were doing.

Goal orientated Sagittarius at the opposite side of the chart is the balance for this potential failing.

It isn't necessarily that we lack depth. We are just too tuned in to everything that is going on.

posted February 13, 2008 11:01 AM              

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i think often the negative is greatly correlated with the most positive thing of that sign. Starrym

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i agree

i see anything negative as negative and positive and anything positive as positive and negative...

i'm gonna be a pain here....

that must be an aqua thing, or just a me thing, dunno!

anyway, if you think about it, what is negative? from which perspective? and what's positive? from which perspective?

if i hurt someone, who can say that i didn't give him a lesson that he'll remember? have i not helped him then? and if i love someone, am i always helping the person i love by putting his interest first?

what i mean here is that ego is not to be blamed. ego is part of being human, and hippichick said it very clearly, only when i won't be human my ego will not be an issue anymore. while i live as a human, it's useless to judge my ego as negative. it's the pilot in the plane. i can't get rid of him... how would i land safely?

i see qualities and weaknesses as complememtary. you can't have a quality without its weakness. think about someone loving someone else (everyone would say it's a positive attitude, a quality). let say this person loves someone. they are soulmates. they have a loving relationship. but for some reason the family of one of them disagree(politics, religious, gender, or simply psychological - for example, the mother doesn't want to let go of her son, or whatever reason... ) well how would someone react when they are a loving person?
if it was my man, would i love him enough to disappear from his life and accept this impossible love? cause the negative aspect of being a loving person is that you have to do just that, let him go. the positive aspect means that you experience a bliss that surpasses everything.

how many person coming with the conclusion that i should set him free will actually do it when the situation happens?

let's take another example. someone who's become a killer. the starting point must be that because everyone of us are god or the son of god, nobody is intransically bad. so someone who's a killer must have been a loving child that has been crushed by experience that he couldn't make sense of. so in a sense, a killer's positive aspect is that he's someone sensitive to hurts.

so what's negative and what's positive?

and i remember having read an argument about the usefuleness of "bad" people... may be in my horoscope, lol!

they said something like :
we should be grateful for "bad" people to keep in themselves the seed capable of creating revolts. by being "bad" as they are, they keep this shadow alive for the rest of us.

so to answer to your call, starrym, i contribute by agreeing with you. negative aspects of sign should not be seen as anything else as what they truly are, the flip side of a quality.

posted February 13, 2008 11:16 AM            

o, and, I really do not care what the world expects of me...

posted February 13, 2008 01:23 PM            

Their flaws tend to be spreading their energy over too many things at once, being very skeptical and relying solely on logic. Both logic and emotion are important, so it's essential that we learn to incorporate both into our life. They can also lack direction unless they have strong earth in their charts. As a result, they become a jack of all trades, but a master of none.

Sags can be all over the place as well since they are mutable. Their flaws tend to involve self-righteousness. They think that their words are the ultimate truth and fail to recognize that other people don't necessarily share the same opinion.

posted February 15, 2008 04:54 AM              

but when talking about Pisces, as an abstract symbol is the zodiac- yes, the negative attributes of Pisces need to balanced by the positive attributes of Virgo in order to grow in consciousness. (and visa versa) if the Piscean cannot learn to see the positive attributes of the pure Virgoan archetype, then they are in trouble in my opinion.

blue moon, i hear you on Gemini. I hope i never said that Gemini lack depth - did I? i'm pretty sure I didn't because I don't feel this way. i don't think any sign "lacks depth". i def do think Gemini get some dirt for lacking depth because of the way they come across, as you explained. i usually feel that with younger Gemini though - older Gemini, or Gemini that are pined on looking mature will really use their mind more often and show you this crazy amazingly intelligent side of them. the problem is that this side only comes out about 1% of the time that you are talking to any given regular Gemini - all their other "faces" come out first- 99% of which are shallow, haha. but no sign is an exception to being shallow.

praecipua,
"you can't have a quality without its weakness."

interesting point. i don't agree, but you did twist my mind a little in thinking about it.

Astra, i like your points a lot. I agree these flaws are nothing more than generalizations - but i feel like they are more accurately simplifications- if i were more articulate and insightful i could probably write down in one line what weakness is at the core of each sign.. or rather what weakness each sign has the danger of falling a trap to. when you add in the aspects every person feels, you get a new layer of complexity.

posted February 15, 2008 05:09 PM              

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the negative attributes of Pisces need to balanced by the positive attributes of Virgo in order to grow in consciousness.

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