posted February 15, 2008 08:54 PM              

the only thing is, his moon is conjunct my saturn within 1 degree and despite feeling like he's a great guy and we'd be pretty compatible as roommates, i feel so emotionally restricted or something. and it's weird since our SNs are in pisces, i feel all this empathy between us and we both grew up in abusive homes and were talking about the spiritual perspective we've gained from it, so there's that on the one hand which felt awesome, but i feel so shy around him and like stuck or something and i think it MUST be the saturn-moon conjunction. so i'm wondering, has anyone had this with a roommate and will it likely always be a bit of a stumbling block? did it ever get easier or is one of those precautionary aspects?

posted February 15, 2008 11:13 PM              

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Let's explore Moon-Saturn interchart aspects as another example. This cross-aspect is a powerful one. Either one (or both) people involved may have made it clear at some early point in the interaction that this relationship was to be a serious or committed one. Whether or not it was verbalized, the air of responsibility is explicit. Although the relationship may begin with some element of enthusiasm, over time, Moon may feel the need to censor feelings of dependency on the relationship and on Saturn himself for some reason or another. Moon may also feel the need to censor self-expression, feeling almost like a child facing a disapproving adult. Moon may sense a certain level of seriousness and even harshness or narrowness in Saturn that may not even exist in absolute terms. Saturn may not even be aware of this unconscious reaction to Moon. Whatever it is, Moon can feel somewhat constrained by the relationship, and unable to express the "child" within, simply because of the expectation that Saturn may not approve, may not be capable of understanding, or may not be equipped to handle these expressions. The sense that Moon gets is that Saturn's needs for commitment are paramount, and that "frivolous" expressions of neediness or dependency wouldn't be appropriate; or that expressions of dependency on anything or anyone else will be met with Saturn's disapproval. It may also be that situational factors are such that true emotional intimacy is blocked, even though both parties want to get closer to each other.

The caution here is to avoid too much "censoring" to the point that Moon feels emotionally isolated, misunderstood, or blocked. Does Saturn truly benefit from this kind of "censoring"? Certainly not in the long run, because if it gets out of hand, Saturn will lose touch with Moon's deepest needs, fears, and desires. Emotional distance doesn't benefit either person. The chemistry in this relationship brings out the individual need for security and safety in both people, and each will certainly find a basic sense of safety with the other. Although Moon in particular may feel emotionally frustrated at times, there is a feeling of constancy and dependability in Saturn that is very attractive. This relationship stands much chance of being a long-lasting one. However, it can have its fair share of ups and downs. Periods of emotional distance and subsequent feelings that the relationship may be too "heavy" to maintain are often followed by tearful and emotional "reunions" when both parties feel that they need each other desperately, and that the attachment runs deeper than is always apparent. It is easy to see, with this kind of pattern, that either or both individuals could feel "trapped" together at times! But the truth of the matter is, given the depth of the attachment to each other, there is much to gain from working on the intimacy issues described above. Saturn needs to face his or her fears and consciously work on not clamping down on Moon, and Moon, instead of reacting defensively to Saturn, must also look to see whether Saturn does have a point, so to speak, and Moon can actually benefit from some of the more reasonable boundaries that Saturn seems to draw.

Karma is associated with Saturn, where the personal planet person feels some sort of personal debt to the Saturn person. The Saturn person seems to have the upper hand in the relationship, at least for a while. Both parties must be more mindful of what exactly they are doing. A balance is possible, as the personal planet person may benefit from Saturn's impositions, at least ones that are not purely based on fear. Maybe the personal planet person does need to learn to be more responsible and could benefit from some maturation, and Saturn can learn to loosen up in certain ways. Reacting defensively to each other will only exacerbate the problem.

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posted February 18, 2008 02:42 PM            

my north node is 15 degrees in Pisces. My ascendant and my southnode are conjunct as well as my sun moon midpoint. word! lol