posted February 17, 2008 12:03 PM            

Astrology is BS.

Obviously.

But it's fun BS.

It's good party talk.

And its good for understanding your partners.

But it's still BS and requires faith.

Religion is BS. Can you prove god is real? No, so it's BS.

posted February 17, 2008 01:57 PM            

It was when I found out about my moonsign,Pisces, I stopped being a skeptic and started opening to Astrology.

Now I have Astrology software programs and numerous Astrology books as well as helped people as an Astrologer for years.

I have a very close t-square of retrograde Astrowizard in Gemini in 9th and Skepticus in Sagittarius in 3rd square Moon in Pisces in 6th which finetunes my t-square of retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th and Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd square Moon in Pisces in 6th.

posted February 17, 2008 02:14 PM              

Take for instance if you have your moon in the 8th house. This could be a psychic placement, troubled or alot of focus around inheritances, sex, sexuality, loss of a mother early, taxes, other peoples money.................. Then add the planet to the moon and that adds on whole other layer. Add on if the ruling planet is conpatible with this sign or not and this adds on another level. Then look at the aspects are they square, trine......... and then look at those houses........more layers that need to be looked at...... add on progressed chart........ more stuff to consider add on another person...... more factors to consider. Then consider the person looking at the chart and their own limitations and perceptions. Do they really understand metaphysical spirituality or are they a "Methodist" playing around with astrology... Do you get the idea?

So yes do not put faith in astrology. Chances are your looking at it through lots of different filters. Do not put faith in religion, they have filters of their own that they want you to look at. Do not put faith in anything outside of yourself and your relationship with God or your divine source.

Astrology is not your life written in stone, it's your default system (like the default of a computer) ready to be programed to whatever you want. you are the perfect expression of the divine right here right now. That means you have the ability to manifest your life to your own making.(Just forgive everyone and everything, be positive, consistant, persistant,come from a place of love at all times and everything will be just peachy Most of us strive for this, but then look towards some other source to tell us why we are not doing what we hope to do...

Has astrology helped you spiritually or just filled your time? Has it empowered you or caused you to look at it to see "what your problem is" or justify your problems and shorcomings or find what other people's "problems" are? Have you use astrology as an excuse to why you have not been living up to your fullest potential or used it to find a better way.Use astrology as an aid to gain better understanding of your spiritual mission but take it with a grain of salt because we all know so little in the grand scheme of things.

posted February 17, 2008 02:31 PM            

I can understand writesomething, but it is not so easy like you say.
Yes, I learned about myself. Have I became wiser? Yes. Has this lead me to the "better world"? NO. I get slaped in my face for 3 years now, and there is no end to that.
When things go smooth it is easy to give advices, but when this follows you as shadow, with no gaining of peace, than it becomes burden that person cannot hold anymore.
Circumstances are out of control, and even you hold on yourself and your spirit and good inside, than you are questioning everybody and everything.
For example, I feel that I cannot have stable relationship. All comes and go...And even I have carmic events at my doorstep, I doubt that I will get that.
SO, I understand writesomething.

posted February 17, 2008 04:28 PM              

kat, i love your post but i'm wondering how with all these myriad layers, subject to interpretation, you can find truth and feel confident in its accuracy? i know that is asking you to simplify something so complex, but i think it's an important question.

i do FEEL astrology is correct because even though people interpret the symbolism differently according to their own way of seeing the world, i have always found the basics to be so accurate and obvious. just sun, moon and rising alone; these are so obvious in the people that i know well. it is amazing.

but there is always a skeptic in my head too. but i think that's healthy.

posted February 17, 2008 07:15 PM            

all you have to do is read astrophysicist Percy Seymour's and heliophysicist,climatologist Theodor Landscheidt's scientific astrology work.

Cosmobiology is even scientific. The founder of it,Reinhold Ebertin was not just an astrologer but also a physician. I actually prefer Cosmobiology the best when it comes to Medical Astrology.

I am using astronomical points like the nodes and perigree/apogee

I am not going to use tropical zodiac for people born in southern hemisphere.

I am also looking into using the actual constellations instead of the tropical zodiac,sidereal zodiac.

here is stuff on Percy Seymour

http://cura.free.fr/decem/09seym.html
http://www.mountainman.com.au/astrology_01.htm
http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/solar/percyseymour1.html

I have his book,The Scientific Basis of Astrology: Tuning to the Music of the Planets (Hardcover) since 1999
http://www.amazon.com/Scientific-Basis-Astrology -Tuning-Planets/dp/0312077955/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203297779&sr=8-4

posted February 17, 2008 10:00 PM              

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posted February 17, 2008 10:17 PM            

and yes I dont think anyone should live or envelope themselves into astrology..

if you spend too much time trying to interpret and read into everything of why this happened or whats going to happen. how can you live?

posted February 20, 2008 03:03 PM              

I have my doubts about astrology as well as doubts about my definition of God, life, my job, my skills, myself and everything else. I just recognize that astrology is a tool at not the end result or deciding factor. I have to trust that I will make the correct decision and try to ask for God or whatever god is to help me. I also know that if I make an incorrect decision I could always change it. (yes it is easier said than done.)When I get into chaos, depressed, or circumstances APPEAR to be out-of-control, I try to recognize that I still have the ability to make a change. I AM NEVER A VICTIM OF CIRCUMSTANCES. I know that is a tough concept to swallow, but know that it's the absolute truth (unlike the scattered meanings of astrology.I have also learned to recognize when I get into self-defeating thoughts and acknowledge why this is happening to me. It may take me a long time to pull myself up off "the floor" but this thought is what really works. This is truly what centered means to me.

I am far from perfect and have looked as astrology somewhat obsessively in the past, but I try to remember it's probably inaccurate just like my flawed self. So when it comes to interpretations (heart cakes) I try to look at my life and see if it applies and use my gut/intuition to determine the best interpretation. Then I do not trust in the accuracy because I know that my actions can totally change the astrological "default" system. We create our own lives. For instance, some astrologer stated that 8th house chiron conjunct my moon has been found among criminals and people who steal. I know that this is a bunch of BS and definitely BS for me. Blatant criminal actions, stealing and lieing is not part of my being nor my family. She probably looked at 5 charts and wrote a book about it - unlike double blind tests used by medical researchers.

I was surprised yesterday because someone at work who is really head strong, inflexible, unchanging, uncreative (in a creative job) overly technical, critical, ... was celebrating her birthday and I got the year. So of course I went home and found out she is a mutable Pisces(0 degrees)(not Aqua as I thought) trine Cancer moon and has relatively good aspects at a first glance. WHAT! I thought she doesn't fit her sign so I wonder what rising sign she is and if I've overlooked something. She seems more like a negative Aqua, Scorpio or angry geminii. I guess we can also choose to use the negative or the positive aspects of our signs. a Cancer can be clinging, whiny, poision growth or loving, nuturing, a creative force.Obviously life experiences,upbringing, education... mean more than astology.

posted February 20, 2008 03:09 PM            

you also said that she has Sun in Pisces at 0 degrees.
If that's the case and you don't have a birthtime for her, it's possible that she has Sun in Aquarius if the Sun changed signs on that day. My cousin was born on February 18th,and he has Sun in 0 degrees Pisces. Sun changed signs on that day.

does she have other planets in fixed signs.
what's going on with Mars,Saturn,and Uranus?

"I guess we can also choose to use the negative or the positive aspects of our signs"

that can apply to house placements and aspects too.

also....hard aspects can manifest in positive ways if there is a lot of effort,hard work. That's why many successful people have t-squares. Soft aspects can manifest in difficult ways if taken for granted and misused. There seems to be this conception that soft aspects manifest always easy and hard aspects manifest always difficult.

In Cosmobiology, hard aspects are event-oriented aspects. They focus very little on easy aspects. the hard aspects what are used with midpoints too.