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PLF
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posted February 22, 2008 08:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

There is almost TOO MUCH desire and ambition inside of me (and I can feel it!!) which as helpful as it is sometimes, can also be equally harmful at other times!

My question is, does my birth chart have any hints about this? I'm fairly new to astrology myself so don't know how to quite correctly interpret it.

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posted February 22, 2008 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Capricorn stellium in the 10th house with an Aries ascendant. Wow! That would seem pretty career driven.

Your Sun (self-expression) and Moon (emotional) nature are focused on the same thing (Capricorn in the 10th), which would seem very beneficial.

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posted February 22, 2008 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have an interesting profession.

Well, yes, your chart shows a lot of ambition. But then I wondered if it is your ambition that hurts others or your hidden anger. There is a signature that suggests you can be a rage-a-holic? Would you say that's true? Is that what is hurting others?

Do you put your work before everything else in your life including relationships? Is that what hurts others?

What do you mean by your ambition hurts others? I can only guess at certain things, but only you can answer the question.

Your chart also suggests that you can be compassionate when you want, but also cold with emotions at times.

Have you ever had a substance abuse problem, if not, it's not a good idea for you to start.

Something occurred at the age of 9 or 10 that made you extremely angry, some tremendous fighting spirit occurred around that time, someone tried to control you or you might have become ill or even broken some bones or something. Whatever it was you may have then rebelled somehow.

Speaking of substances, I'm on pain killers right now so I'm losing my clarity for this, but can you confirm if any of this is ringing any bells for you? Thanks and welcome to Linda-Goodman's discussion site.

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posted February 22, 2008 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where did you find his profession?

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posted February 22, 2008 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL!!! Hi Acoustic God,

Not in his chart, I clicked on his profile icon loooll!! Take a look.....if you dare.

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posted February 22, 2008 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Too funny!

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posted February 23, 2008 12:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A little bit of humour never hurts, right.

Especially for such serious-minded individuals like us Capricorns. I actually think 'comedy' (a beautiful art) is very much needed in the lives of folks like us.

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posted February 23, 2008 01:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My advice would be to get more physical. You have alot of drive and energy in you and it would be best to expell some of that. I can relate and I tell you it does alot of good to go to the gym or even just run around your neighborhood at the instant you're feeling like you need to be more. The instant you feel that thing bubbling up inside of you- Run, Box, Whatever. Don't worry if you're not wearing your best jogging outfit.. Just do it right away and get it out of your system.

As a woman, it's alot tougher to be ambitious because alot of men (and women) feel threatened by ambitious women. Because of their insecurities/jealousies they'll do everything in their power to get in the way of your goals. Because of this ambitious women eventually learn to manipulate others into thinking their not as goal-oriented or as much of a fighter as they really are. Hillary Clinton certainly learned this the hard way too. Keeping a side of yourself hidden like this means it's especially important to let it out somehow when no one's looking. I'd say with mars in the 12th it's especially important for you to be constantly physical. Take up a new sport. I think it'll help loads.

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posted February 23, 2008 02:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi MG,

I think getting 'physical' is VERY Good advice. I know so because I am fit, involved physically , very much enjoy it and actually feel its necessity and will continue doing it.

I run a mile per day on my treadmill and time myself. Usually it takes me about 13 minutes.

Apart from playing sports (some competitively like soccer and some for leisure such as table tennis), I also workout with dumbbells and do push-ups, sit-ups, squats, etc.

But my favourite part is boxing! I got a punching bag as a birthday present for my 20th, and I love it! It is without a doubt, one of the primary ways, I get rid of some of my intensity! I'm usually quite fired up anyway but I put on my I-pod and earphones, some inspiring music which I know gets me even more intense and then smash that bag like I'm Muhammad Ali.

Feels great and it's become a really nice outlet for me, and of course makes the work-out even more complete.

Therefore while there is always room for improvement and I hope and aim to get fitter and stronger and faster everyday, I'd say, I've already taken your advice to some extent and am doing those things and yes it does indeed help.

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posted February 23, 2008 03:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Your chart also suggests that you can be compassionate when you want, but also cold with emotions at times.

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posted February 23, 2008 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah, glad to see you've returned!

Well, I can tell you that I don't feel like the stereotypical Capricorn either, though I'm sure we both relate a lot with our sign.

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Especially for such serious-minded individuals like us Capricorns. I actually think 'comedy' (a beautiful art) is very much needed in the lives of folks like us.

I've received some great laughs and comments at my Improv class lately for my subtle humorous ways. I've been fascinated with comedy for awhile now.

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I have this belief and have had it for so long that I'm capable of soooo much. And that my potential is immense. That I'm gifted and lucky somehow. I suppose, in this regard, I'm not like your typical Capricorn because I'm an optimist and believe I have a great future ahead of me but that it'll take time and I can't have everything I want now at this very moment which is reasonable and logical enough. Not a pessimist at all like I've heard most Capricorns supposedly are.

I could have written that myself, so maybe the Capricorn book needs a bit of a re-write. I always figured it was my three Sag placements that made me so bouyant and optimistic.

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With such limited 'time' in this life to improve your current skills or learn new ones and be good at this and that, it's really about sacrifices at the end of the day and that's why you gotta pick and choose and can't be everything to everyone or excel in every single field.

Yet, I have this need to be dominant in everything. Be the dominant, most influential/popular and skilled person on the sports teams, in the class, etc. etc.


Well, ok.

My first thought is that you've already got a great head on your shoulders, so chances are you're going to figure out your own answer anyway.

My second thought is that maybe a simple priority structure would provide you with the answer you're looking for. What trait or skill could you learn overall that would satisfy your needs for dominance? You've already prepared yourself for the fact that you may not be able to be an expert at everything, so can you figure out what traits you could develop that would position you well in situations where you might not be the most dominant? Things like social grace, a dignified demeanor, perhaps an interesting and intriguing talent or hobby that will bring the focus back to illustrating that you are something beyond ordinary. These types of things can always keep the playing field even.

Personally, I've seemingly always had the desire to size up a person instantly. I always imagined being old, and being able to meet someone and instantly tell them (or just know) something about their lives. So I people watch more than anything. I notice birthdays for astrological reasons. I notice wedding rings. I note which hand they write with, particularly if they're a lefty. I just take in the whole picture, and to further this I just listen for everything else they give away about themselves. I give away much less [about myself] than I take in [from the person who's probably self-important anyway]. My Sun's in the 8th house [psychological matters amongst other things], though, and my Ascendant is in Gemini [the charming communicator].

With your Aries Ascendant, you can certainly be as charming as me (probably moreso), but probably not necessarily as subtle. You are more born to lead. You are more likely to be an alpha male. You could very well be a James Bond type: alluring, athletic, logical, sentimental, but not too attached.

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You know I'm reading your words again, and I'm reading a slightly different emphasis than I did originally now. Will you be upset with yourself if you're not dominant in everything? Will you feel like a failure or something? If that's the case, then all you really need to learn is how to forgive yourself when things don't go as planned. You're working with great raw materials, which should keep you in good stead, so you're probably never going to fail miserably...but if you should ever fail miserably you can take comfort that you'll always be miles away from being a loser. You've got to have a bit of zen about you, and accept that sometimes things suck. But nothing is permanent and you define yourself [and redefine yourelf] every day. To this end I can only advise that if there's a habit you need to break or learn I personally believe it takes 21 days of diligent practice. (If it's not an everyday kind of thing it may take more discipline.)

Hope that helps. If you are looking for something more astrological you can look at this until we talk next: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/007990.html

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posted February 23, 2008 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi PLF,

Thanks for the clarifying, although I have to gently laugh a little because many people put up their charts and ask astrologers what they see in the chart and then they proceed to tell the astrologer what's in it. So I'll just say that your chart doesn't just "hint" at your ambition, your chart is screaming from skyscrapers in every major city on this planet and beaming it back to us from satellites, etc. LOL!!

I also wanted to clarify one thing for you as well. You explained a lot about your passion but the word I used was "Compassion" which I think will save you in the end. I think it's what made you ask the question about harming other's with you ambition in the first place.

If you didn't have compassion, I think you wouldn't mind bowling people over in your quest for world domination, please allow me that little joke about world domination, but I think you understand what I mean. World domination is not too far out of your reach. But you do care how your actions affect others, but it may be difficult for you to curb the behaviors that hurt others. To that I say that you are young and since you are thinking these things now, you'll begin incorporating more sensitivity into your quest for success.

Acoustic God's suggestions are so excellent, especially his being a fellow Capricorn, he was able to connect to your needs.

I will wait patiently for your response to the other questions.

Also, looking at your chart I feel it's important for me to plug myself, since I can see that you will be Mr. Success in the future, possibly President of PLF Enterprises and A** Models Incorporated, please hire me as your staff astrologer. PLEASE??? LOL!! At least let me know what time your first stock goes on the market. If you want to hire Acoustic God also, I think we'd make a good team in your Astrology Department. Please consider it, and buy Gold NOW!!!

Looking forward to your response.

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posted February 23, 2008 02:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great post!

It's very nice to hear you and your abilities to size people up quick. I kinda do that to but am nowhere near as good or expert at it, I'd say.

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posted February 23, 2008 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's nothing noble in being superior to your fellow men. True nobility is being superior to your former self. - Earnest Hemmingway (though I've seen it tributed to others as well)

I tend to think that any lesson you need to learn will keep presenting itself until you learn it. So you'll probably keep getting these moments of envy/jealousy until you find a way to cope.

It sounds like, in the case of the women, you realized that you weren't really after the women that were hanging around the other guy. There's something to that. Knowing what you're after and getting what you're after is more satisfying than getting what you're not after. Often quality does beat quantity.

There's also a point in there about valuing yourself. If you never considered that other guy any sort of threat, then chances are it's because he never was one. You see what he attracts versus what you attracted, and you thought that you attracted the better quality between the two. What does that say about you versus him? If you and him were to end up with model trophy wives, and you had one who could hold her own in conversation, and he got one that was embarrassing in conversation, the "winner" is obvious. You attracted the smart beauty, while he got the superficial beauty.

Anyway, I'm rambling, and I'm not sure if I'm being helpful very much in this post. Just know that this issue will work itself out over time. You will develop a means of coping.

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posted February 23, 2008 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I may pile on to that post, I'd like to say something about you being an Aries Rising. Not only do you have an Aries Ascendant but Mars (the ruler of Aries) is square to Uranus in your chart. Uranus is electrically intensifying your feelings of competition and having to be Number #1.

I can identify with this because I am an Aries. The silliest way that I manifest my Aries quality is having to be 1st in line, just like a little kid. ME FIRST, ME FIRST!! I'm still like this at 40 years old. LLLOOOOOOLL!!!

It gets worse. When I take the subway in NYC, I always have to be in the 1st car or the last car. When I'm in the last car I convince myself that the people in the first car don't deserve my presence. Making me too good for the first car. LOL!!

Walking down the street in NYC, I start walking faster and faster feeling like I'm trying to get ahead of the crowd, like it's a parade and I'm trying to get to the front. THERE IS NO FRONT!! I even wrote a book about walking in New York City, my Mercury (rules walking) is in Aries also, so I can relate to your story. I suppose it's just another area of life that needs maturing and you're only 21 years old. Being a Capricorn, you probably feel older sometimes, but there is always going to be some degree of that.

Intense competition is part of your make up and that feeling may never go away, but you have the gift of awareness and that will kick in from time to time and temper that. Just as there are days when I finally slow down and tell myself, there is no line to be at the front of, "there is no spoon" (if you are a fan of The Matrix, you'll understand the spoon reference).

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I completely relate, I have aries AC, Cap MC and sun/merc in 10th (aqu though). Yes, exercise is definitely the way to get rid of the desire. I do a lot walking, it keeps me fit and turns my mind out to the world for exploration. Also think of hobbies that require conquest. I am currently undertaking the reading of every novel written before 1900 that makes it on the "1001 Books You Must Read Before You Die". I read 60 books last year and actually feel that I have accomplished something!! Thats a few things that I do that keeps me satisfied.

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Thanks for the advice.

I'll try the book thing when I get some free time (most likely summer). I can see how that would help. And it's good to see others who can relate to what I'm saying.

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posted February 23, 2008 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's [the book reading] a pretty admirable venture 23.

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posted February 23, 2008 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you'll learn to in time, PLF. We Capricorns loosen up as we age.

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posted February 23, 2008 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going to say contradicting things but I think you'll understand why.

I'm sure you already know this but there are times when it is valuable to be the guy BEHIND "THE GUY". For example: Cheney as opposed to Bush. I don't like that example, but I think it drives the point home.

Then on the other hand I'll tell you this, I am a singer/songwriter/musician, and I am extremely talented and I hate singing in choruses. If I can't be the front person, I don't want any part of it. I'm not a communal type singer, I want to be the star. If it's the Supremes singing, I want to be Diana Ross. If it's Destiny's Child, I am Beyonce. I have heard through the grapevine of my musical circles that there are people in my scene who don't understand why I won't sing with them or write with them. They actually have the nerve to be angry about it.

Well, my desire is to be #1. Now that's not to say that I won't sing or write or play with other musicians. I trained long and hard to hone my already "superior" talent that God bestowed on me as a GIFT that I humbly thank the universe for everyday, but I have so many songs in me, so many arrangements and ideas that I can implement on my own and facilitate or implement my plans, etc. shape them into what I want. I feel like life is too short to pander to others.

Many people may think this sounds harsh, but once again I have to respect my own desires and goals because I get the feeling that life is short and my projects must get moving, they must be accomplished. Many of my colleagues feel it's selfish for me not to participate with other musicians and collaborate, etc. Well, I do when I find DYNAMITE MUSICIANS to work with. If they can't BRING IT, I'm not interested.

Also, I'm a late bloomer in life and an impatient Aries, not a good combination, but I stick to my guns in this area. For some reason my talent packs a punch and many people want to work with me but I don't want to work with them. I have a reputation of being like Ralph Kramden from "The Honeymooners" with my one collaborator. He actually has to bribe me from time to time and has to promise me that we will not do any "Kumbaya" let's all sing together songs. No. I won't do it.

If I ever feel down about my attitude, I just remember what it feels like to have created the perfect gig and remember how much the audience had a great time. There's nothing worse to me than being in a musical program where another performer is making my audience cringe in pain.

I think I've made my point. It comes from me coming from a musical family that has roots in Motown recordings, Stax recordings, Broadway, Vegas, Jazz and Doo Wop traditions. I'll stop there.

When you know that you've got what it takes to create success, it's hard to step back and accept the status quo.

So now that I've gone all ambiguous on you and not given you a concrete answer, I guess I want to say that you chart suggests that you are here to shine. You were bestowed with a certain amount of charisma, talent, ambition, etc. As long as you don't do anything immoral or violent to get what you want in life, I don't see why you shouldn't be number 1. I remember what I felt like the first time I heard a friend of mine say this about his job when people showed there jealousy toward him and his ambition. He said, "I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to make money." New age thought might look down on that statement, but that guy moved up the ladder without a second glance at the jealous co-workers who were triggered to anger by his success. Those were not his issues to worry about. He refused to be codependent with other co-workers. If they couldn't handle his greatness (LOL!!) let them go to therapy to deal with it, he didn't have the time.

So how's that for some "Divine Ambiguity" for ya. Oh, by the way, that's a term I coined meaning I still grapple with "free will vs.fate".

You have to be who you are because you've got work to do.

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posted February 24, 2008 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I'm more of a man behind the man type I think. I've got a lot of Mutable and Cardinal in my chart. My Mars in Scorpio is both a fixed singleton as well as a water singleton.

"I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to make money."

I've found that only certain people can get away with saying such a thing. I've often seen it used as an excuse for poor behavior on reality shows. The participants all can't stand that the person lacks basic social skills, and the person with no social skills claims he's not there to make friends (he's there to win the show). Usually this person isn't any more talented than anyone else on the show, and the strain from the lack of social skills helps sink him rather than helping him showcase his talent. Just a word of caution from someone who's seen that line backfire time after time. Think it. Don't say it. You typically need people on your side in order to be successful. If you don't need them, you don't need to insult them by saying so.

I do understand what you're saying, though, GV. I've decided against collaborations far more than deciding for them. My only hitch about doing music solo is that I haven't really found my voice lyrically. I seriously question whether I can find enough words to create complete songs. The music has never been an issue, though.

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posted February 24, 2008 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi AC,

I understand what you mean about people using that friends phrase. You have to have a certain kind of balance and experience before you can really pull that one out of the box, and it's true that nothing gets done without other people involved or without help from a community of some type. What I noticed in PLF's chart is the Sun-Neptune conjunction in the MC. Whenever I see Neptune near an angle or the Sun or Moon, it alerts me to a kind of co-dependence and supression of core energies. The fact that he is 21 also alerts me to the fact that he is about to experience his last Saturn square Saturn before his Saturn return in 7 years. He's on the event horizon of his start of his adult life and he may need to hear that it's alright for him to be as ambitious as he feels and not to doubt his talents.

I could go on and on, but I guess it's really a question of balance which is something we all strive for in our lives. I guess I just know what it's like to know that I have the gift to really make an impact with my talents but to be told that I am full of myself because I have the confidence to do what needs to be done. Sometime you just have to say so what. I learned the hard way that jealousy toward me is abusive, I've had people in authority around me who tried to suppress my talents because it made them look "less than". Maybe that's another way that my 12th house has asserted itself, secret enemies.

I no longer hide my talents or my light under a bushell to make others feel better about themselves. On the other hand, I'm not someone who is impolite, insensitive or without manners. Business can be done ethically and still remain a challenge. Now I feel like I'm rambling, but these are things I would have benefitted from when I was 21. There's nothing wrong with trusting yourself to do the job right or to trusting yourself to coach your team to victory.

Another question I have for PLF is: What happened in the last 10 months that you mentioned that made you feel these issues come to light so strongly?

And now I must go to sleep, zzzzz zzzzzzz zzzzzz zzzzzzzz

Geocosmic Valentine

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posted February 24, 2008 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with everything you just said. Absolutely.

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I guess I just know what it's like to know that I have the gift to really make an impact with my talents but to be told that I am full of myself because I have the confidence to do what needs to be done. Sometime you just have to say, "So what?"

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I am enjoying this topic very much, as I can relate to almost everything written here.
I am Aries Sun, with Capricorn Asc so I definitely have that drive inside of me. I used to be a lot more ambitious a few years ago, when I was about PLF's age [I'm almost 25 now], but I went through what Geocosmic Valentine said:
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Whenever I see Neptune near an angle or the Sun or Moon, it alerts me to a kind of co-dependence and supression of core energies.

Neptune is conjunct my Moon with just 8 minutes of arc [tightest aspect in my chart].
However, inside I know I can be the best and I still want it badly, but somehow at this time in my life I seem to sabotage my ambition. It is a very confusing time for me because I seem to be pulled in many different directions. I hope I will figure it out before I blow my chances to succeed in life. Failing is not an option.

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Hey guys

A lot of great posts here.
I'd quote and give my 2 cents on each but there just isn't that much time. I do appreciate every single one of you though and your willingness to contribute to this topic with your own related experiences and advice.

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