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Bipolun
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posted February 23, 2008 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bipolun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am just wondering why everybody always has Pisces girls to be these sweet girls that will let you step all over them and they are the sweetest girls in the world.

My wife is a Pisces and is phsyically abusive. one day I came home from a night out with my friends and when I walked in the door she threw about a million things at me.

I was a little drunk so I started to swear and all of a sudden I see her through a picture frame at my head so I put my hand in front of my face and I have a huge scar where the glass went in. To think that could have been my face.

Why would a sweet humble pisces do this to me?

That is not the only time she has ever done that to me.

Another thing, people say Pisces don't like confrontation, well this girl will tell you anything in your face and doesn't think twice if it will hurt your feelings or not. She hits you straight in the heart.

We were separated for a bit and now we are trying to work things out again. She has not been abusive any more because I no longer do the things I used to do to get her upset.

All I want to know is why doesn't she fit the pisces description??

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Bipolun
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posted February 23, 2008 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bipolun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would also like to add that this is only when she is extremely angry that she does those things. Once she cools off she forgets eeverything and becomes really nice again.

I am new to astrology so I would like to learn more about these kinds of things.

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posted February 23, 2008 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm curious about whether you think *your* behavior might have anything to do with the way your wife treats you??
The whole gist of your post was "I want to understand what's wrong with HER.....

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posted February 23, 2008 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dig it


I would like to see a gf or wife of mine be abusive. the fire wrapped up in that would just turn me on. she can throw fists scratch pull push whatever she wants.. but Im either A. going to be laughing at her or B. trying to kiss her lol or C. if she really really bad then just grab her and hold her from doing anything until she calms down.

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posted February 23, 2008 12:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Bipolun!

As a pisces I can relate… not… :-)

I would say as a Piscean I do hate conflicts and I wouldn´t get abusive nor throw things on my partner UNLESS… there was a good reason for me to do so.

Yes, it has happened that I´ve lost my temper and done things I might not have been proud of afterwards, but it wouldn´t ever happen without a reason and with a cooperating and “undestanding” partner it might happen only once every 7 year (7 year itch ;-).

Pisceans are always made look like little angels, but remember there is a bit of every positivity and negativity in every sun sign, even in pisces-people ;-) So to group all Pisceans into the same group of sweet, innocent and compassionate people would be a big mistake.

Ok, this might be a dumb question, but here we go; have you tried talking to her? Remember; it´s not what you say… it´s “how” you say it ;-). Try to put yourself in her place, if you can – half the work is done and then If you can tune in on what the problem is (maybe you already know… if this is not the first time she gets this way) you´re almost there ;-).

Then combine the two… compassion and communication – ah, that´s how to deal with a temporary dissapointed Piscean girl.

Before it happens again – try and talk with her about ”the problem” when she is in a good mood… and also remember this time; it´s “how” you bring it up, not what you say… (ok, a little present like a Red Corvette or a diamond necklace would help, but it´s no way absolutely necessary…he, he, he…;-)

Good Luck! :-)

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posted February 23, 2008 12:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Being a newbie, I'm not sure where to put this comment, but since we've already got mod presence in this thread...I think discussing this here (in this way) is inappropriate. Speakingly lightly of abusive, dangerous behavior is wrong.

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Bipolun
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posted February 23, 2008 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bipolun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it wrong that it turns me on sometimes??

One time she was so angry hitting me and all of a sudden she "did something sexual to me" while she was angry, crying, I didn't know how to react so I just let her do it, than when it was over she started screaming some more......


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posted February 23, 2008 01:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what is the rest of her chart?

my mom is an Aries Sun/Scorp Asc with her Mars ruler in Pisces with some def strong Piscean characteristics- she was never afraid of physically confronting my dad when she was angry but it was never unjustified.

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posted February 23, 2008 01:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree that Pisces can definitely be very aggressive. I have two Pisces sun friends (both female) and while they give off that sweet, innocent act they are not afraid to tell you off to your face if they feel like it. I've got Mars in Pisces in my 5th house which is on Pisces cusp, conjunct my Jupiter in Pisces. I am not timid or lighthearted when it comes to verbal, physical, or emotional aggression.

Besides the whole astrology thing, Bipolun do you honestly think this is healthy behavior in a relationship? She needs to control her anger before she hurts you. How turned on will you be when you get your head bashed in???

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Mercury:: Sagittarius
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kindjali
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posted February 23, 2008 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kindjali     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IT seems like she has Scorpio or Aries, Venus and Moon....hmmmm.
Ahhh, Piscies female collegue from work is real tornado, even today I cannot see Piscies in her, except in eyes.

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posted February 23, 2008 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You should read about the Dark Side of Pisces in Liz Greene's book. This is the most ununderstood sign of all. You should check out description of "Fish Devil" much more in detail. This is the sign that can to to extremes in all aspects. Love Hate Crime Sacrifice Devotion - everything can go to extremes. They retreat into their dream world. Create a huge drama inside and then it can go either way depending on whether you honestly loved them or hated them. That's why we have seen Hitler to Einstein in this sign. Osama Bin Laden is recent example of Pisces at extremes.

I can clearly see that she has been emotionally wounded. Check Saturn and Mars in this relationship. There is definitely some impact of Moon and Mars as well.

Also, while asking these questions, why are you NOT providing both charts? We can help.

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posted February 23, 2008 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
* The Pisces Shadow *


You might know, of couse, that nothing is all light. With all those beautiful aspirations and longings for purity, devotion, goodness, mercy, compassion and self-sacrifice, there's bound to be a pretty big wallop of a shadow downstairs. It's always like that of course. And this basic law of life .. that everything comes in opposites .. is nowhere truer than of the sign of Pisces.

Remenber that we said Pisces knew no limitations? This is certainly true of his aspiration. Nothing less than the union with the divine, the source of life, will suit. Whether this is achieved through religious longing, creative expression, or heroin is not so important as the experience itself. Right? .. Right for Pisces, at any rate .. And the dark fish knows no limits either .. His name is Power.

In ordinary situations, Pisces tends to be the victim. We can meet this figure in many Pisceans. They are the ones who are taken advantage of, used, bled white for money and sympathy, held in bondage through their sympathy, made to feel obligated through their tendency to feel guilty for everybody else's sins. It's almost inevitably the Pisces who stays with the violent husband, nurses the schizophrenic wife, raises the retarded child, supports the ailing mother, gives up this, that or the other thing to help somebody else. It is sometimes very hard to tell whether these are the noblest or the silliest of human beings; and whether they are truly saints, or wield a tremendous power through making the other guy feel hopelessly obliged .. Nobody has quite as much power as a martyr .. maybe it's a little of both.

In "The Iceman Cometh" by Eugene O'Neill there is a character named Harry: an ordinary sort of man with the usual array of vices and virtues. And Harry has a wife who, although we don't know whether Eugene O'Neill practised astrology, must surely be a Pisces. Harry's wife forgives him for everything. No matter how abusive he is, no matter how badly he treats her, she never raises her voice in anger, or rebels, or shows a little bitchiness herself. She always, always forgives. And of course it makes Harry worse. If you make anybody feel guilty, then they will resent you, and if they resent you, then they're going to treat you even more badly the next time. So Harry's treatment of his wife goes downhill, from bad to abominable. Soon he is beating her, bringing other women into the house, and other favourite pastimes of the Right ******* . And Harrys wife does the natural Piscean thing: she forgives. She understands. She has compassion. She makes Harry feel so guilty, so terrible, that of course at the end he has to kill her. He simply has to. That's why saints are always martyred. Saints they may be; but they make the rest of us feel blacker. And anyone who poses as a saint is shirking his share of common evil, and reaps it triplefold.

There is an interesting moral in Harry's story about Pisces. For one thing, it shows how much power this 'powerless' sign can wield. for another thing, it shows how much power Pisces often wants. Outwardly passivity is a dangerous animal, since the will has to go someplace. And every so often you see it breakout, and encounter strange Pisceans like Attaturk and Julius Ceaser, who, unlimited as always, must conquer the world.
Many Pisceans have this kind of secret fantasy. Feeling as though they are the most powerless of mortals, they secretly envision themselves as rulers over all. It's understandable enough. It's troublesome and even dangerous if it goes unnoticed and unchecked. Attaturk, when he took over the rulership of Turkey in 1930, massacred an entire nation of Armenians who stood in his path. This kind of universal emperor, who sees fit to wipe out masses of people, is the opposite extreme to the Christian eaten by the lion in the arena. Sometimes the roles reverse, and the lion is actually the Christian.

If a sensitive Piscean is brutalized enough - and they often are, for people tend to see in them the reflections of their own feared weaknesses and vulnerability - then he may turn to cruelty for an outlet. This is a perplexing quality in some Pisceans which is never discussed in textbooks, for the simple reason that it is too disturbing. Yet it is common enough, from the small example of the schoolchild who torments his fellows, or animals, to the large example of the psychotic. But what is this kind of cruelty? Once again, we must remember that Pisces represents not so much a type of person as a rendition of human nature. The Pisces is all of us. That's why he is so often the victim. It's exaggerated; but it's there. Watch the patterns of a Pisces life, and you will see the reflection of any man's, distorted, exaggerated, but a true mirror. It's said that Pisceans make wonderful healers, priests, physicians, counsellors. This is undoubtedly true, for they have the innate compassion and wisdom and insight. They can also heal because they have been wounded, and because there isn't much in human nature that they haven't already glimpsed in themselves.

But it's a too passive Pisces is a dangerous creature. The dark fish is bound to break out sooner or later, either in a genuine psychosis, or in self-destruction .. whether quick or the slow kind like drug addiction or alchoholism .. or in a subtle, unnoticed destruction of another, like Harry's wife in "The Iceman Cometh". It's rarely overt; unless that Pisces has a more aggresive ascendant like Aries or Leo, or a strong Mars, it's all under the surface .. for Pisces is a genius at undercurrents.

There is another side to the Pisces shadow, which is connected to the first. We call this syndrome the Misunderstood Genius.

FRIEND TO PISCES: so what are you doing lately? Have'nt seen you in a couple of years.

PISCES: Well, I'm working on a really great novel. i've just got the first twenty pages done, but I can envision the whole thing in my mind. It's going to be the greatest literary work of the century. I always knew I had it in me to write a great novel.

FRIEND: But didn't you have about three others started when I last saw you? I thought ..

PISCES: .. ( embarassed and begining to feel as though Friend is accusing him of something ) .. Oh, those were only trial runs. This one is the real thing. I'd probably have finished it by now, if it weren't for that dammed part-time job I've got in the library. I get so tired I can't write at night.

FRIEND: How often do you work there?

PISCES: Oh, only a day a week. But, you know, there's so much to do around the flat, and my reading, I mean, you can't write a novel without reading other people's work, and I watch TV a lot, and films, and ..

FRIEND: .. ( begining not to believe ) .. well good luck with it.

PISCES: .. ( on the defensive ) .. You don't think I'll finish it, do you? I suppose you think I have no talent. But I do, you know. Just wait. Nobody understands. I wrote a few pieces for magazines, but the editors are these typical fools, they only publish rubbish, they don't know a good thing when they see it. Just wait. You'll hear of me one day. Then you'll be sorry.

FRIEND: Sure, man, I didn't mean .. Well, anyway, good luck.

The Misunderstood Genius, often a Pisces or a Pisces ascendant, most emphatically doesn't lack talent. What he lacks is realism. Pisces, with such a rich, abundant, limitless imagination, often bitterly resents the ordinary limitations of time and space. And those brilliant ideas that flash through his mind like the flash of a fish in the water are often truly brilliant. What he lacks is staying power, dicipline, continuity, and the ordinary respect for hard work and good craftmanship that has propelled many a mediocre writer of far less ability into fame and fortune. Pisces often presents himself as the new Poet, the new Writer, the new Film-maker, the new Prophet, One day .. when the world understands him .. But the world is annoying sometimes. It expects him, HIM .. to hustle like ordinary folk, work ordinary jobs, pay ordinary rent bills and electricity bills and national health stamps and car insurance, when it should all be made easy, after all, if they only knew what talent, what he could do for the world ..

A familiar story, and a sad one. And the saddest part of all is that, often, the Pisces won't be able to find the happy middle, the balance point between valuing his dreams and taking the time to craft them into shape. He simply becomes embittered, disillusioned, and gives up in disgust. So the visionary becomes the most prosaic and most cynical of men, and never writes a line again, or scorns that paintbox that lays in the attic gathering dust. And he can say to his grandchildren, " Yes, once i dreamt of being a painter .. But .. but ..something went wrong " .. What? The confrontation with reality, the meeting of the melusine with the mortal. Either extreme is failure: drowning underwater, or losing the dream because it's exposed too soon, without faith.

Pisces is sometimes called the sign of self-undoing. And it is important to remember that it's truly self-undoing with Pisces, never the undoing of others. Pisces often has such a wealth of talent and vision that he is one of the most blessed of men. Yet so often his life is a failure. And this is because of his shadow: his visions of self-aggrandisement are so often too large, much too imense to be ever fulfilled, so he's doomed to self-disappointment and self-disgust. And his biterness at life can erode him, because he feels betrayed by it. If he can begin to understand that he is it, that there isn't any 'world' that's inimical to him, that he must simply understand both the divine and the mortal sides of himself and care for them both, then he's truly unlimited.
And what strange children marriage with a melusine can produce!

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posted February 23, 2008 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mother was a Pisces and she was really passive aggressive that way. She would start the fights and blame my father and call the cops. She also pretended not to like sex and did the same thing, either getting him all worked up with a fight or doing something really gross like bending way over naked (in the living room!) in front of him all the time acting like she was Miss innocent. I saw through THAT as a child.
I wouldn't mind all the drama/sex but I would NOT want to be involved with one of these women. No way. There's too much that goes along with it and you can get the same excitement and behavior from a Leo or other sign without the risk of the knife in your back.

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posted February 23, 2008 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
stillatlarge, sorry to hear about your experience. Eventhough I have lots of Scorpio Planets and connect extremely well with Pisces, I just don't want to get into a relationship. Fish Devil is the most dangerous creature and undeveloped Scorpios can get screwed in the game of Control. Pisces can never be controlled no matter how adaptable they are.

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i have a pisces ex who was VERY extreme; both the devil and the angel fish. his emotions just completely overtook him. but he also had a mental disorder.

also, keep in mind that many pisceans are have their suns in aries in their progressed chart.

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posted February 23, 2008 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MB,I had a relationship with a Pisces male. I don't ever want to go through that again either.

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posted February 23, 2008 05:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know a Fish-lady =) who is extrimly verbally abusive to her husband, but he has lots of Cap's E and their midpoint's looks great; the puzzle for me...

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posted February 23, 2008 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

My mother was physically,verbally abusive to me.....and she has Sun in 12th trine Neptune which has affinity with Pisces.

My father who had Moon in Pisces hit her before out of paranoid jealous rage, and that was main reason she moved with me from San Francisco to Sacramento.

A serial killer woman had Sun in Pisces.

I feel that it you have to see what else is in the chart.


BTW....if I had a woman who physically abused me, I break up with her with a quickness.
I wouldn't want another woman to abuse me like my mother did....I wouldn't want any person to abuse me for that matter.

I just wouldn't get myself involved in an abusive relationship.

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lol. I like Pisces people. But I dont think I would like one chucking stuff at me. Get out man. She is a loon. Forget about trying to understand her. This is a destructive relationship which can only end in tears. It disturbs me also that you twist her to do that. Are you a control freak yourself ?

Do you try to physically hurt someone you love ? No. Bullies can be from both sexes.

But each to their own I guess. But that is not doesnt sound exactly a healthy nurturing relationship to me.

Damn. I hate people destroying each other.

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posted February 23, 2008 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am in agreement

If it was a woman talking about man doing the same thing that Bipolun was talking about.

You would be seeing a lot of

"Get out away from him as soon as possible....He's no good for you and he's dangerous....no woman should be physically abused by any man"


I don't believe any person has the right to assault and batter a person.

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posted February 23, 2008 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"also, keep in mind that many pisceans are have their suns in aries in their progressed chart."

I agree heart cakes.

Also, we need to take into consideration the person's Mars position and aspects to it, as mars rules aggression.

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posted February 23, 2008 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a very tough situation when you possess a Pisces. If you tell a Pisces that she is a Cheater or even give a hint.. they will go and DO it..

They are very loyal to their mates at early stage.. but as relationship progresses.. they get wounded again and again.. and then if conflict arises.. their loyalty goes away

I believe only Cancerians can handle Pisces.

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posted February 23, 2008 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bipolun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey guys thanks for all the responses I will post her chart in just one second
let me know what you can see...

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posted February 23, 2008 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bipolun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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