posted February 28, 2008 10:57 PM            

I've noticed that for me I become protective of the other person. They seem vulnerable to me and I feel like a big sister toward them. I feel responsible for helping them.

For example, back in high school a new girl moved to my school. I was used to being the new kid--went to 12 schools--so I always empathized with the new kids on the rare occasions when I was the more settled one at the school. But with this one girl, I not only empathized but felt like it was my duty to help her out. She's one of my best friends to this day, and I learned a couple years ago that my Saturn is exactly conjunct her Moon.

It's not a bossy, controlling feeling (my first house Uranus just can't go there); it's more like I'm especially sensitive to their sadness and want to bring more peace and happiness to their lives.

posted February 29, 2008 01:00 AM            

maybe I give off a very saturn demeanor. serious. reserved. cold. and unapproachable. haha I wish I was more welcoming.. lol cause I really can be a sweety once you get to know me.

posted February 29, 2008 03:10 AM            

The reason I associate my protective feelings with Saturn is because when I've had that strong protective feeling with someone, in synastry my Saturn always tightly aspects their personal planets. Always. Usually, the aspect is with their Moon; Venus is the next most common.

I think we can feel our Saturn in synastry. Astrologers often say you need that Saturn glue for relationships to last. That glue would be meaningless if we couldn't feel it. I'm just curious how that glue makes other people feel when they experience it--burdened? Vulnerable? Dedicated?

posted February 29, 2008 09:05 AM              

do you feel identified with this article?

"Saturn in synastry is intriguing because what begins as a strong sense of security and comfort felt between a couple can eventually degenerate into feelings of pressure to stay the same, and an overall sense that one does not want the other to grow or develop. Saturn generally is the one who wants the bond to be exclusive, and although the personal planet person generally wants the same thing, that personal planet person feels enormous pressure to be a certain way and feels like he or she is not free to express him or herself in a natural and dynamic manner. With repeated experiences in which the personal planet meets a critical or cold response from Saturn as a result of a spontaneous comment or action, the personal planet begins to censor himself or herself, and spontaneity is lost. Distance between the two is created, and a sense of being stifled, restricted, and censored slowly erodes the bond that felt so darn good at the beginning of their relationship. The personal planet person feels like he or she has to constantly monitor what he or she does or says in the presence of the Saturn person.

Let's explore Moon-Saturn interchart aspects as another example. This cross-aspect is a powerful one. Either one (or both) people involved may have made it clear at some early point in the interaction that this relationship was to be a serious or committed one. Whether or not it was verbalized, the air of responsibility is explicit. Although the relationship may begin with some element of enthusiasm, over time, Moon may feel the need to censor feelings of dependency on the relationship and on Saturn himself for some reason or another. Moon may also feel the need to censor self-expression, feeling almost like a child facing a disapproving adult. Moon may sense a certain level of seriousness and even harshness or narrowness in Saturn that may not even exist in absolute terms. Saturn may not even be aware of this unconscious reaction to Moon. Whatever it is, Moon can feel somewhat constrained by the relationship, and unable to express the "child" within, simply because of the expectation that Saturn may not approve, may not be capable of understanding, or may not be equipped to handle these expressions. The sense that Moon gets is that Saturn's needs for commitment are paramount, and that "frivolous" expressions of neediness or dependency wouldn't be appropriate; or that expressions of dependency on anything or anyone else will be met with Saturn's disapproval. It may also be that situational factors are such that true emotional intimacy is blocked, even though both parties want to get closer to each other.

The caution here is to avoid too much "censoring" to the point that Moon feels emotionally isolated, misunderstood, or blocked. Does Saturn truly benefit from this kind of "censoring"? Certainly not in the long run, because if it gets out of hand, Saturn will lose touch with Moon's deepest needs, fears, and desires. Emotional distance doesn't benefit either person. The chemistry in this relationship brings out the individual need for security and safety in both people, and each will certainly find a basic sense of safety with the other. Although Moon in particular may feel emotionally frustrated at times, there is a feeling of constancy and dependability in Saturn that is very attractive. This relationship stands much chance of being a long-lasting one. However, it can have its fair share of ups and downs. Periods of emotional distance and subsequent feelings that the relationship may be too "heavy" to maintain are often followed by tearful and emotional "reunions" when both parties feel that they need each other desperately, and that the attachment runs deeper than is always apparent. It is easy to see, with this kind of pattern, that either or both individuals could feel "trapped" together at times! But the truth of the matter is, given the depth of the attachment to each other, there is much to gain from working on the intimacy issues described above. Saturn needs to face his or her fears and consciously work on not clamping down on Moon, and Moon, instead of reacting defensively to Saturn, must also look to see whether Saturn does have a point, so to speak, and Moon can actually benefit from some of the more reasonable boundaries that Saturn seems to draw.

Karma is associated with Saturn, where the personal planet person feels some sort of personal debt to the Saturn person. The Saturn person seems to have the upper hand in the relationship, at least for a while. Both parties must be more mindful of what exactly they are doing. A balance is possible, as the personal planet person may benefit from Saturn's impositions, at least ones that are not purely based on fear. Maybe the personal planet person does need to learn to be more responsible and could benefit from some maturation, and Saturn can learn to loosen up in certain ways. Reacting defensively to each other will only exacerbate the problem.

Saturn trines and sextiles are generally considered supportive. They do have some of the characteristics described above, but generally there is less defensiveness between the two, and criticism is constructive if it exists. This goes both ways - the Saturn person is less threatened, and the personal planet person less defensive when faced with Saturn's restricting energy. It is certainly easier to learn from each other this way. Nevertheless, even with flowing aspects involving Saturn, the chemistry is such that there is a characteristic reserve or self-consciousness present in the relationship with regards to the expression of feelings, romantic desires, will, intellect, or sexuality, depending on the personal planet involved.

Although parallels are likened to conjunctions, when Saturn is parallel a personal planet in synastry, the interplay is easier than the conjunction. The Saturn person is not as inclined to criticism or control. Rather, the stabilizing influence of Saturn is more prominent."

Cafe Astrology

Unfortunately my own Saturn doesnt make aspects to Jonhy´s personal planets,but his Saturn makes some to mine,including my Moon and I feel very supported and protected by him.
Maybe you can also see in what houses the Saturn falls into - my Sturn falls into his 4th and his fall into my 1St House.

posted February 29, 2008 03:25 PM            

Father -> Saturn CNJ Venus (1*)

Mother -> Saturn CNJ Sun (1*)

Husband -> Saturn CNJ Mars (0*!)

Son #1 -> Saturn CNJ Sun (3*)

Niece #1 -> Saturn CNJ Venus (1*)

That's just the conjunctions.

How do I feel? I feel like there will always be someone about to keep me under control.

posted March 04, 2008 04:35 AM            

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Jane,
do you feel identified with this article?

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I hope not! What a dreary take on Saturn. I don't experience it like that, but I'll ask my friends who feel my Saturn whether it was good for them too.

My Saturn tightly trines my SO's Moon. It falls in his 7th house, conjunct his Vertex.

With the friend I mentioned in the first post, my Saturn falls in her 5th house.

My synastry with the people I'm closest to is packed with 0º-2º Saturn aspects. The conjunctions are the ones where I feel that protective feeling; with the others, that feeling is there but not as strong.

HoR - We reveal our secrets in a variety of ways.

posted March 04, 2008 06:24 AM            

But looking closer, my Saturn Opposes Son #1's Moon CNJ MC, and Square's #2's Sun Opposite Uranus. I get on fine with both, I'd describe these aspects as parental control in action.

On my synastry chart my Saturn Squares their father's Uranus at 6*. Wide, but he's a Sun Aquarius. I do say a lot: well, that's a good idea, but how will it work out in practice?

Control, we all need it, and maybe we subsconciously surround ourselves with people that offer it.