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Topic: scorpio boys and autism?
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virgoleorising unregistered
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posted February 29, 2008 10:31 AM
i have a scorpio son and he has aspergers syndrom a high spectrum form of autism, and i've noticed a trend with that sign being autisic. i work with two ladies who both have scorpio boys and they just happen to be autistic, and i have a friend whose daughter, also a scorpio, who has aspergers and another friend whose son is an aquarius with scorp rising who is severly autistic. i'm wondering if because of their high level of sensitivity and depth if that can be the reason for this phenomenon? is there anyone else who can contribute on this thread and maybe shed some light to this.IP: Logged |
mblover Knowflake Posts: 111 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 10:48 AM
Can you post his chart? Is he very close to you (parents)? Based on my understanding, Autism comes genetically but of course how it is expressed can be understood through a chart.IP: Logged |
SilverFairy Knowflake Posts: 47 From: Delaware Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 02:16 PM
That's so odd My brother and nephew both have Aspergers. My brother is a Cancer sun, Aries moon and Pisces rising. My nephew is a Cancer SUN, Moon and Rising. Neither have much if anything in Scorpio. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 02:20 PM
I have an irc friend that has Aspergers Syndrome but he has Sun-Mercury-Eris in Aries in 8th oppose Pluto in Libra in 1st,trine Neptune in Sagittarius in 4th. He has Neptune conjunct Imum Coeli/oppose Midheaven,square Virgo Ascendant/Pisces Descendant axis. He has Sun-Eris cazimi(in the heart of the Sun). He's a serious student/practitioner of the occult,magick,and metaphysical. He is a person that can really stir things up. He believes in equal/civil rights and tolerant of diversity. He can be very intolerant of what he feels is stupidity. He will say what he thinks. His father was a physicist who died of cancer during his Saturn return. I have Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio along with Moon in Pisces square Neptune. I don't have Aspergers Syndrome, but I do have Dyspraxia(Dyslexia,ADD too) which has symptoms that overlap with Aspergers. A matter of fact,many Aspergers have Dyspraxia and vice versa. There is a lot of comorbidity with neurodivergent conditions(Aspergers,Autism,Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD) and sensory integration issues are common in people with those conditions. DANDA has grown out of the Dyspraxia Foundation Adult Support Group, as it became clear that most people connected to the Group did not have dyspraxia alone. Most, in fact, had AD(H)D (Attention Deficit (Hyperactivity) Disorder, Asperger’s Syndrome or dyslexia as well. It was the norm rather than the exception. http://www.danda.org.uk/pages/about-danda.php When I was a little kid with developmental problems,I'd say that I could have mistaken for Autistic and not just mentally retarded. As you know,many autistics are mistaken for mentally retarded too...especially if they have speech problems which I had at the time. I was very hypersensitive/sensory integration issues as a child,and as I got older and matured,I got less sensitive but still hypersensitive. When taking Fish oil/cod liver oil,I am less hypersensitive,but still very sensitive. Sensory integrations issues not so bad.
Dr. Temple Grandin is autistic. She has Sun in Virgo and Moon in Aquarius. her birthtime is unknown though. She had speech therapy that helped her just like me.She was born on August 29, 1947 in Boston, Massachusetts. She is a professor at Colorado State University and a professional designer of "humane" slaughterhouses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Grandin I don't think that there is any sure indicator for neurodivergent conditions(autism,aspergers syndrome,dyslexia,dyspraxia,ADD),and I have been trying to find them out myself. I strongly doubt that sign placements have anything to do with them. IP: Logged |
Geocosmic Valentine Newflake Posts: 0 From: New York, NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 03:09 PM
Hi Glaucus,I notice in your friend's chart that his chart ruler Mercury is exactly conjunct Eris and his 12th house ruler Sun is also exactly conjunct Eris. Also, his ASC is squared by Neptune from the 4th house cusp. I'm focusing on his health center planets being stressed by Eris and Neptune. Because Mercury and Virgo deal with cerebral energies, I was wondering if you also thought that these might be astrological reflections of his condition. As an aside, I'd like to ask you how you get your computer or your software to create charts with a black background. I think you mentioned that you use Solar Fire software, I just don't remember. I use Matrix WinStar 2.5 but your charts look exactly the same as WinStar. Can you let me know what you use or how you create the black background? It is so much easier on the eyes for me. Thanks. Geocosmic Valentine ------------------ "Everybody is a star!" Sly & The Family Stone IP: Logged |
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posted February 29, 2008 03:19 PM
thank you for input...if this will help my sons (drake) birthday and info is as followedbirthday november 14th 1991 time of birth 12:39 a.m. place of birth oshkosh wisconsin i do believe he's a leo rising drake is an amazing boy...so sweet, a true mommas boy, i've always considered him my absent minded professor...he is brilliant and i have learned mountains from him. thank you for all your input IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 03:22 PM
Geocosmic,I had a suspicion about his tight orbed Sun-Mercury-Eris conjunction. I do believe that Eris has to do with divergence,diversity matters which often has need for advocacy and become advocates themselves. Some even controversial like Tom Cruise who was diagnosed Dyslexic at 7 years old and was recommended to be medicated for hyperactivity as a child. He has Sun square Eris within 1 degree along with Mercury conjunct Uranus/Eris midpoint(Golden Section Triangle). I use Solar Fire 7 I went to chart options. then sent to color scheme. then I went to background color. then I chose a color out of many options.
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alcheme Newflake Posts: 9 From: Phoenix, AZ Registered: Jul 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 03:41 PM
I am a Scorpio female, and I have tendencies that would probably rate me on the moderate end of Aspergers. Perhaps the traits are common of both male and female Scorpios, just more pronounced in some than others...?------------------ Sun: Scorpio Moon: Gemini Asc: Capricorn IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 04:01 PM
I have a maternal aunt with Sun conj Neptune in Scorpio and Mars conjunct Ascendant in Scorpio. I have a maternal uncle with Sun-Mars-Neptune conjunct in Scorpio. My mother has Moon conjunct Saturn in Scorpio. My maternal grandfather had Scorpio Ascendant,and my stepgrandmother has Scorpio Ascendant. My mother's first cousin has Sun in Scorpio. My mother's step first cousin has Sun in Scorpio. My mother's 2nd cousin has Sun in Scorpio.None of them are on the autistic spectrum. My girlfriend has Moon-Saturn conjunction in Scorpio,and she's definitely not on the autistic spectrum. btw...hallmark of autistic spectrum disorders is problems understanding emotional/social cues. Nobody that I know with Scorpio influences have that problem including me.
Hillary Clinton has Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio and Moon in Pisces like me,and I strongly doubt that she is on the autistic spectrum.
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posted February 29, 2008 04:23 PM
it was just an observation that now i can say is invalid, thank you all for your input. I just couldn't get over the amount of people that i knew with autism, or have children with the disorder were scorpio. thank you again. I'm also impressed with the wealth of knowledge you all have on this ever increasing syndrome. it just helps to know i and my beautiful son are not alone. IP: Logged |
alcheme Newflake Posts: 9 From: Phoenix, AZ Registered: Jul 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 04:42 PM
"btw...hallmark of autistic spectrum disorders is problems understanding emotional/social cues. Nobody that I know with Scorpio influences have that problem including me."I thought it also included problems communicating them... IP: Logged |
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posted February 29, 2008 05:05 PM
Well, all signs are susceptible to autism but it does appear that there are more scorpio borns with it.If I can recall, someone mentioned in another thread that if theres a hugh conflict between air/fire in the individuals chart chances are they have a high chance of autism. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 05:11 PM
I looked at your son's chart from a different,unusual perspectiveI looked at his Golden Section Aspects based on the work of Theodor Landscheidt GOLDEN SECTION ASPECT CHART
Based on the The Golden Section: A Cosmic Principle THEODOR LANDSCHEIDT http://bourabai.narod.ru/landscheidt/consider.htm G1 +21°15' G2 +42°29' G3 +47°30' G4 +68°45' G5 +111°15' G6 +132°29' G7 +137°30' G8 +158°45' g1 +34°22' g2 +55°37' g3 +124°22' g4 +145°37' gg1 +132°30' gg2 +85°00' gg3 +132°30' gg4 +137°30' gg5 +68°48' gg6 +47°30' gg7 +34°24'
Sorted by Orb - Maximum Aspect Orb 1°00'
the following interpretations are from HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS by Robert Hand. They list possible manifestations of the aspect....they are just guidelines.....so not definite Mon G8 Asc 0°51' S - close relationships with women, close emotional relationship with people whom one has known for a long time. habits in relationships. domestic relationships. expression of emotions to or from others in the immediate environment Sat g3 MC 0°04' S - one's own uniqueness. to have a strong of who one is, to have a precisely defined sense of direction in life. difficulty in compromising one's own ideas and ideals. alienation and loneliness,to feel or be very different from others. to want to be alone Mar g2 Nep 0°32' S - weakness,paralysis,feelings of inferiority or inability to cope, covert actions. connected with allergies,drug problems,and infectious diseases. also spiritual activity and work in which spiritual rather than physical benefit in the object Mer G3 Sat 0°56' A - careful and considered thought. caution and conservatism. one-track-mind. depression,thoughts of sadness and separation. preference fro the concrete and practical rather than the abstract. methodical approach to problem solving Nep g3 Asc 0°07' A - close relationships that involve self-sacrifice or that require one person to care for another who is in difficulty. highly idealistic relationships, platonic relationships. relationships that are not honest or not what they appear to be Mar G4 Jup 0°33' A - fortunate action,action learning to growth. luck arising from a good sense of timing. physical and athletic prowess. creative actions leading to an increase in opportunity. often associated with births and marriage Mon g1 Nep 0°59' A - extreme sensitivity and subjection to external energies and influences. tendency to self-sacrifice or martyrdom. passivity,escapism,fantasies,unconscious forces influencing the imagination. illusions created by subconscious desires or energies that have their origin in the past Jup G4 Plu 0°12' A - the drive to improve. the drive to grow in one's personal life,hence the drive for success and achievement. also,the danger of conflicts with people in power or with those who might feel threatened by one's achievement Mar G4 Asc 0°41' A - competition with others, conflicts, the ability withstand opposition in one's own environment. to stand up to others Mer G4 Ven 0°59' A - the ability to communicate love and affection. aesthetic thoughts. the ability to be concretely creative in an artist. to use techniques to create beauty. ability in crafts. creating writing. thinking influenced by considerations of beauty or harmony rather than strict logic Mon G6 Ven 0°13' S - love,feeling happy,the emotional sense of the beautiful. tender and nurturing love,such as mother would have for a child. in both sexes, this point relates to the experience of the mother. and in males,it relates to women in general Ura g4 MC 0°46' A - one's own independence,one's sense of being unusual. to desire to go one's own way,to be free. the uniqueness of one's personal objectives or life path. often connected with people who are in a career that is unusual or has to do with science or technology Sun G1 Mer 0°25' S - the mental and veral expression of the will. the desire to communicate,know,and understand. thinking about one's own self-expression. very personal thinking. expressing one's thoughts Sat G1 Ura 0°51' A - tension between restriction and the desire for freedom. tension in general,often leading to sudden breaks or separations from people or circumstances that have proved restrictive. if controlled, the ability to persist under extremely tense and difficult conditions. also, the ability to change or innovate in a disciplined manner. associated with teaching Sun g4 Eri 0°03' S Mer g3 Eri 0°29' S Plu g4 Eri 0°59' A (Eris is recently discovered........to me, it seems like it has to do with controversy,ideology,diversity,divergence,considerate/inconsiderate of viewpoints/opinions/beliefs/values,equal/civil rights matters,bigotry,terrorism, redefining boundaries)......Honestly, I think that it not only fits with any belief system but also even Astrology.........I even think that Eris might even be a co-ruler of Astrology even its discoverer, Dr. Michael Brown said “She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” ) http://www-tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html Special features:
Sun,Mercury,Eris Golden Section Triangle (Eris semisquare Sun/Mercury - '16) Moon,Neptune,Ascendant Golden Section Triangle (Neptune semisquare Moon/Ascendant - '33) Mars,Neptune,Ascendant Golden Section Triangle (Neptune square Mars/Ascendant - '12) Saturn,Uranus,Midheaven Golden section Triangle (Midheaven semisquare Saturn/Uranus - '21) Golden Section Triangles = Midpoint configurations
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posted February 29, 2008 05:14 PM
it also seems generational u think?IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 05:17 PM
"btw...hallmark of autistic spectrum disorders is problems understanding emotional/social cues. Nobody that I know with Scorpio influences have that problem including me.""I thought it also included problems communicating them... that too......but problems understanding emotional/social cues is definitely a hallmark of autism it also depends on the spectrum of autism too. Aspergers who don't have speech delays like people with autism.
high functioning autism and low functioning autism are things that differ from each other. also problems with communicating emotions/social stuff is not necessarily autism.....think of people who have language problems and/or coordination problems
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posted February 29, 2008 05:19 PM
I think scorpios have it the hardest thought,I say say this because as ironic as it sound i was diagnosed with asperberger syndrome, but I don't believe it or rather I feel that i'm at the extreme end of the spectrum. I have a scorpio classmate and he just can't do half the things I can do, most people are shocked when they find out that i am a as indivdual. But it depends on the spectrum, perhaps my gemini sun does a good job hiding the other twin,lol. I whould definitely look at the air/fire conflict in someones natal chat, thats were the clues of autism are. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 05:26 PM
Some scientists found some cases of autism are genetic. They say that half of all cases of male autism may be caused by spontaneous genetic mutations. They even find that relatives of autistics often have very subtle communication impairments or behavioral tendencies that would be considered autistic only in their most severe forms. Milder and High Functioning cases of autism could be highly inheritable. The Severe and low functioning cases of autism could be caused by poisoning. Many Milder and high functioning autistics believe that there is nothing wrong with them and that they don't need to be fixed but that they are just different and consider themselves neurodivergent. They came up with the neurodiversity movement which I support because of my own neurodivergence with Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and ADD. There is even an Autistic Pride Day.Autism being genetic http://www.physorg.com/news97949226.html http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=3476 http://digitalcommons.libraries.columbia.edu/dissertations/AAI3174930/ Neurodiversity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodiversity http://www.newhorizons.org/spneeds/inclusion/information/armstrong.htm
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Geocosmic Valentine Newflake Posts: 0 From: New York, NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 05:59 PM
Thanks, Glaucus.I'll have to check my WinStar software for a similar color option. They offer what seems like millions of choices and I usually just go for the simplest ones, but I love how easy on the eyes the black background is. Thanks again, Geocosmic Valentine ------------------ "Everybody is a star!" Sly & The Family Stone IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Knowflake Posts: 982 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 06:13 PM
Just to add in some personal experience and stats: My almost-12yo son was diagnosed with mild Aspergers, no Scorpio planets in his chart -- Aries Sun/Merc/Mars, Leo Asc/Moon..... The autistic spectrum syndromes are some of the least understood conditions out there :-\IP: Logged |
Geocosmic Valentine Newflake Posts: 0 From: New York, NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 06:21 PM
Hi Virgoleorising,Was there any question about whether some early event within his first year of life may have triggered his autism or other issues? First I must tell you that I have NO KNOWLEDGE OF AUTISM AT ALL other than what I'm learning here today so if I'm asking this question incorrectly, please understand that about me and also feel free to tell me that I'm wrong. The reason I bring it up is because I'm seeing extremely difficult early Solar Arcs, and transits that translates to possible brutal treatment within his 1st year of life and because it's focused in the 3rd house of siblings, neighbors, communications and frame of mind and effects the 8th house, 11th house and 12th house, it lead me to wonder about events that may have taken place in his 1st year of life that may have affected him physically and cerebrally. Of course the autism is part of that because it is partially a third house issue, but I noticed that his Mercury is not harshly aspected except by Jupiter which might not be so harsh. Once again, please feel free to tell me that I'm completely off the mark or that you don't want to comment or you can comment privately if you feel you'd like to at my private e-mail address below. Other than that, thanks for bringing this up and giving us all the opportunity to learn from his chart. After all, what I'm seeing could be another choice other than what I've been taught to think for the patterns I'm seeing. Thanks in advance, Geocosmic Valentine Professional Astrologer geocosmicvalentine@yahoo.com . www.myspace.com/geocosmicvalentine ------------------ "Everybody is a star!" Sly & The Family Stone IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 06:34 PM
He has Mercury in 24'57 South in the declinations. So his Mercury is out of bounds. It could indicate nervous system,communications is beyond the established limits boundaries http://www.mandala.be/declination/pamela.htm http://www.mandala.be/declination/pamela1.htm http://www.astroscapes.com/out-of-bounds_planets.htm I also looked at geocentric planetary nodes because I feel that they are very insightful,and they are astronomical points.
His South Uranus Node is in 12'52 Sagittarius and that's closely conjunct his Mercury in 13'03 Sagittarius. That could indicate an unusual type of mind. With it being South Node,there can some problems. This is what the Uranus nodes are
Theory & Practice of Geocentric Planetary Nodes by Theodor Landscheidt http://www.considerations-mag.com/articles/geocentricPlanetary.htm Uranus’ Nodes: Principles: Creative union; cyclic nexus; circulation. Biology: Stimulating sensual contact; oscillations of cell aggregates; irritation of nervous system; orgasm. Psychology, sociology, & technology: Sudden acquaintanceship; eccentric liaison; new partner; psychic resonance; grasp a connection intuitively; stimulating companion; excited family; technological team-work; revolutionary community; clash; vehement controversy; union of revolters; team of technicians; astrological association; orchestra; symphony; electromagnetic interaction; electric power line; resonance of oscillators; wireless transmission; television network; telecast interview; sudden incidents in community life. Geocentric Nodes of Jupiter and objects beyond move very slowly, and so they have to do with the collective. IP: Logged |
Geocosmic Valentine Newflake Posts: 0 From: New York, NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 06:41 PM
Glaucus,That's a fantastic observation. Thank you. Geocosmic Valentine IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 29, 2008 06:58 PM
Thanks. Planetary Nodes can be insightful.I also checked the other geocentric nodes....don't use no more than 2 degree orb for conjunction,opposition,square....no more than 1 degree orb for quincunx,semisextile. I His Geocentric South Mercury Node is in 20'23 Scorpio and His Geocentric South Mars Node is in 20'13 Scorpio, and that's conjunct his Sun-Mars-Pluto conjunction. The conjunction to the South Mercury Node can be highly mercurial,but problematic. The conjunction to the South Mars Node can be strong Mars energy,but problematic too. He also has North Mercury Node in 22'51 Scorpio conjunct his Sun. I couldn't help noticing his Sun trine North Pluto Node exact! Wow! Theory & Practice of Geocentric Planetary Nodes by Theodor Landscheidt http://www.considerations-mag.com/articles/geocentricPlanetary.htm Mercury’s Nodes:
Principles: Network; symbiosis; association; purposeful union. Biology: Nerve tissue; nerve axons; impulse conveyed by nervous system. Psychology, sociology, & technology: Association of ideas; intellectual community; formal relation; verbal exchange; dialogue; brain trust; pooling agreement; economic cooperation; contract; correspondence; marriage of convenience; youth group; mathematical matrix; computer interface. Mars’s Nodes: Principles: Power transmission; joint activity; conflict. Biology: Copulation; transfer of energy; interplay of muscles. Psychology, sociology, & technology: Cooperation; joint fight; concerted undertaking; team work; controversy; panic action; sports meeting; team of surgeon; military units; war alliance; battle; network for transmission of energy; short-circuit; conduction of heat; heat exchange; interaction of forces. IP: Logged |
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posted March 01, 2008 02:13 AM
drake fascinates me not only as his mother but as a sensitive human being...yes in the beginning year drake had spinal menigitis at 3 months old, and nearly died, jaundice when born, i nearly lost him while pregnant hospitalized...bed rest for 3 months, he was hospitalized 3 times for lung issues because his lungs weren't developed completely due to being 6 weeks premature...you know what i can go on and on and on and so basically yes a lot of strife in his short lived life. the best teenage boy ever, and i think me being a bohemian so to speak has helped him lighten up and realize life can be beautiful. i wonder if children inherit their parents karma, it seems his life experiences parallel mine considerably. if you need more info just ask because to know drake is to completely adore and enjoy him.IP: Logged |
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posted March 01, 2008 02:20 AM
another thing to validate the reading...hes extremely artistic and he wants to goto school to learn to program robots...he loves me and i'm the only one who gets to experince his hugs he don't like to be touched...during the ages of 3 and 5 he was abused by step mother...long story short he feels as he told me once i'm his only safe shelter, he helps his little sister who is going deaf and he's highly sensitive to her needs always trying to be the proverbial "big Brother" everything you wrote so true so true. thank you so very much.IP: Logged | |