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GrlyGirl20
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posted March 03, 2008 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm writing this as I can't sleep right now. I had a guy whom I was very much in love with and for some reason I have been thinking about him recently. I know I'm not over him, even though I know I should be...he broke my heart, and hurt me in every way possible. In fact if you read any posts from 2007/2007 from me, the double Sag guy I talk of is him.

I've completely eliminated him out of my life, but I still see him around campus. The most recent time was the day before Valentine's Day. When I see him I act as if he doesn't matter to me and that I don't know him. He also has a GF that he has been with her since Sep when he and I were done.

I've recently resorted to acting out my Pluto traits now and I'm "tracking" him (at least on Aim...the other websites such as Facebook and Myspace I removed him and blocked him...I couldn't bare to see him and his GF). One day I saw as his away message, and he said something along the lines of, "Babe, I miss you and love you so much." When I read this I honestly felt like a knife went through my heart.

I know I never allowed myself time to get over him. I basically just launced into dating, and having fun physcially so to speak. Even now I'm "casually dating" a guy (a libra who dosen't see us getting serious), and I'm talking to another guy (the Virgo from an earlier post tonight).

The double Sag was the first guy I've ever been physically involved with that I actually truly cared for and was vulnerable around. I haven't allowed myself to be the same since. And I'm actually afraid that maybe I won't ever have a connection like that again...or that I'm unlovable. I'm also afraid I'm doomed to always care and love others more than they love me back. A huge chunk of me just wants to be done with love and relationships...but another part of me wants to really love and care for someone so much that it cuts into the deepest part of my soul...and have them love me back as much.

I have two questions...

1. What aspects between us makes me not be able to get over him?

2. Has anyone with Pluto/Scorp placements/aspects ever been in a similar boat...where they can't get over someone...but wouldn't dare admit that they still care about this person for the fact that they look vulnerable.

Basically I just want to know if anyone out there has ever experienced anything like this, just so I know I'm not the only one. Sorry for it being super long. Thanks.

Placements:
Mine: Born July 3, 1985 at 5:45 am in Bellflower, Ca
His: Born December 1, 1986 at 7:20 pm in Baltimore, MD

Grly

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jane
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posted March 03, 2008 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi ((Grly))).

Maybe what's gnawing at you & what you can't move on from is the part of yourself that you met while in this relationship. The part of you that is vulnerable and wants to be honest about her feelings. Maybe you are ready to own that side of yourself and regret not doing so while you were with him.

Is it really him you love?
Or is it the way you loved him that you love and want to experience again?

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posted March 03, 2008 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I get time I'll take a look at those charts, but I can give you a personal answer to the second question without much effort because I've thought it over before.

On my natal chart I've got Moon CNJ Pluto. It seems there are a few of us about on this forum. It is a tough one to deal with. I'm also Scorpio Rising. I don't like looking vulnerable, full stop. Not many people get to see it at all.

Do I have 'let go' problems when people trigger this off? Got to be honest and say yes. But it isn't always a problem. I had a really good friend at college who asked me if we would still be friends in twenty years time. Without pause I said yes. That anniversary is not far off. I didn't know it at the time, but his Moon CNJ Pluto is in close orb to mine.

For a more negative example, I once glanced at a chart for a friend of mine and picked up on his Sun Conjunct Pluto, Square Mars. It didn't seem like the gentle, self-confessed insecure person I knew. But if I had been wiser I would have linked it with his evident streak of self-destruction, and also how the Sun Conjunct Pluto conjoined my own Moon Conjunct Pluto. I haven't seen him for a while and it's probably best to give it a bit of space.

Romantically I have had the same boyfriend for 15 years, we have been legally married for most of that time. His Venus is Square my Moon/Pluto. Generally I am quite sensible, but that was all cast aside in this case. But this relationship has worked out and no, I don't think he loves me less than I love him, at all.

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posted March 03, 2008 06:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Has anyone with Pluto/Scorp placements/aspects ever been in a similar boat...where they can't get over someone...but wouldn't dare admit that they still care about this person for the fact that they look vulnerable.


Yup. Sun/Pluto and Venus/Pluto squares for me [he being the Pluto.. always].

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blue moon
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posted March 03, 2008 07:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Where to start - O.K you know you have natal Moon Square Pluto, right? It isn't close in orb, it's at 5 degrees, but that is still a tough one to deal with. If you didn't know, and haven't read up about it, it might be helpful if you do, here's one piece on it:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/pluto-square-moon.php

His Venus Conjunct Pluto is at 4 and 7 degrees from your Pluto. O.K, that's not a close aspect, and it is wide of your Moon, but you can probably still feel it, and it adds to other aspects on your synastry chart.

You both have Cancer Risings and with your Mars on his Ascendant you have a strong physical attraction to him. This Trines his Venus Conjunct Pluto, intensifying that attraction. Your natal Mars is also on your Ascendant, Conjunct your Sun. I hope you won't take it wrong if I say I think maybe your pride is hurt, maybe you aren't at your best when you don't get your own way, but, who is?

As my anecdotal ramble above suggests, you are likely to meet more than one person in life who will spark off your Moon/Pluto aspect. It might be very bad and/or very painful, but it might work out very well on a long-term basis. It will take some effort whatever happens. Luckily, you have a Moon Sextile Saturn aspect so that is a sensible and controlled side to your emotions that you can work with to help you out.

p.s

Do you have to get over him? If you see what I mean. You have to learn to be without him if the relationship is over, but you don't have to like it and/or move on without a second thought.

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posted March 03, 2008 08:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jane,

"s it really him you love?
Or is it the way you loved him that you love and want to experience again?"

You are a very wise woman!

DD

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Skybound_Piscean
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posted March 03, 2008 10:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Basically I just want to know if anyone out there has ever experienced anything like this, just so I know I'm not the only one.

No, you are not the only one – I´ve been there too! I promise you that you will get over him if you really want to. Even though it will take a while, let the healing process run it´s course and don´t rush. Just realize that it will hurt for a while, but it will get better for each and every day (if you want to). In the beginning you feel as if you can´t get enough of “thinking about it”, and nothing wrong with that… think about it and dwell on it for an hour every day – after a while you will get used to the thought and when you do it won´t hurt as much after a while… that´s how we work. Same thing with seeing him every now and then, it hurts in the beginning, but confront any chance you get and soon you will get used to it. It´s like…We can´t watch the same horror movie over and over again and get scared of it… because after the 7th time we know it so well and might even feel a little bit fed up with it or just indiffrent ;-)

Look at the positive side; a break up is a terrible time if you invested your heart and your soul into another person´s heart and soul (doesn´t really matter if you were together for 3 months or 10 years – it´s about how much you invested into the relationship and about how deeply you built up the imagined future in your head), BUT it only gets as bad as you let it – it could also be a time of “rebuilding and for renewal”. I went through a very bad crisis, and it lasted for quite a long time, but I decided to “renew” what was left… I picked up the pieces and built a “new” Skybound … he, he, he… and now looking back I see that I actively co-operated and participated in my healing process

When you are in a situation like this you probably think that you don´t have any energy… and you´d rather be on your own and just dwell on your own misery… but in my opinion you never have as much energy in your body as when you are going through a crisis – and instead of letting the closed in energy within you turn you to a depressed couch-potato – channel that energy – do things. Start training, run or whatever you´re into, but don´t keep it in.

Don´t know where the planets where at the date of my break up… but assure you – THEY WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE!

Take Care
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bluegreyeyes
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posted March 03, 2008 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Basically I just want to know if anyone out there has ever experienced anything like this, just so I know I'm not the only one.>>>


You're definitely not the only one!!

I'm sorry it's been so tough on you, some people just take a longer time to get over relationships. Love is an intense thing, it's hard to rebound from it, which probably explains why you went straight into "fun" mode. It's either: Dwell on your emotions & be upset, or Distract yourself & Avoid your emotions... neither way is better than the other, just different.

I am still not over a guy that I had feelings for 3 years ago! Of course, I've moved on, recently started dating. It appears that he's still not over me, which makes it extra difficult to REALLY let go & get over it completely.

Whoever made the comment about maybe it's the way you *felt* when you were in love that you miss... it's a good observation. I think, especially for certain signs, it's difficult to let yourself be vulnerable and emotional, so it's probably much tougher to rebound from falling "out" of love....

I think you'll get over it in due time... you just need to do it at your own pace and speed.

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*Christina*
Aquarius SUN
Gemini MOON
Aries ASC

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Glaucus
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posted March 03, 2008 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GrlyGirl,

Would it be okay for me to analyze your charts through the geocentric planetary nodes and golden section aspects? It's a very different approach. The geocentric planetary nodes are insightful, but I am testing out the golden section aspects. Both the geocentric nodes and golden section aspects were introduced by the German Astrologer,Theodor Landscheidt who was scientifically oriented.


I looked at your declinations. Your Moon is 25'47 South,and so your Moon is out of bounds. That indicates that your emotions,feelings operate beyond the established limits if thoughts and action. It can indicate being extremely emotional,sensitive.


here is information about out of bounds Moon http://www.mandala.be/declination/pamela2.htm

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vesta-sister
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posted March 03, 2008 12:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been going through the same thing,
I have decided to go to a spiritual
counselor for healing. Also, meditate and heaven will give you the guidence you need, The counselor said now is a time of healing, release and surrender, The only way out is through. Once we surrender the good things in life will come.

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miss82
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posted March 03, 2008 01:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't read all your posts but I would add that its very hard to get over someone if their venus hits your ic or their ic hits your venus. i know a couple of people who cannot for the life of them 'get over' these people. the feeling of being in love has not dissapeared. and they are married to other people or its been years since they last saw them.

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Venus trine Pluto
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posted March 03, 2008 01:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Moon square Pluto in a mutable T- Square with Mars and Pluto with the moon at it's apex. Nice ! Not. My ex had a Venus square Pluto and her Mars was conjunct my own Mars which triggered off my T square (even tho her sun made a grand trine with my sun/venus and Pluto).

The answer to your question is you will never forget it. It will scar you. It's intense and it challenges your soul. You want to feel the same way again afterwards. Like a loss it feels like a death when you lose them.

I can't but help feel people with Pluto/Venus aspects attract other Pluto types. I had the Venus conjunct Sun trine Pluto and she had a Venus square Pluto.

The result is she pushes away the people who reject her. As for me with the Moon square Pluto I never thought I deserved to be loved and felt guilt about enjoying myself denying my feelings. Nice ! Not.

Often something karmic about the Pluto relationships. Like working out some karma between you. Ironic as I got back in contact with her recently on facebook again after 10 years and we are talking again. Seems it affected her to.

No point pretending your not hurt when you are. No point getting involved with someone else to get back at your ex. You need time to grieve and let it go before you can grow.

You havent mentioned the reason why it ended to start with. Must have been for a reason. In my case it was because we were both not ready and immature. But you get caught up in the grand passion and physical attraction.

Looking back. Intensity is not all it is cracked up to be. I would prefer an easy going relationship now.

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GrlyGirl20
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posted March 03, 2008 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus I would love if you analyzed our charts through the planetary nodes. I've looked at your old posts on this forum, and you always have such informative information.

Thank you so much BlueMoon, and everyone else...it's nice to know I'm not the only one who has ever felt this way. Oh and btw BlueMoon you were right (as much as I don't want to admit it lol) about my pride being hurt. After all I am a Sun in 1st house person lol. Oh and also the thing you said about me not having to forget him or something...

BlueMoon said:
"Do you have to get over him? If you see what I mean. You have to learn to be without him if the relationship is over, but you don't have to like it and/or move on without a second thought."

This quote is honestly very true. When you put it in that perspective I think that is the most heartfelt thing I've heard in a while. Thank you.

Skybound_Piscean said:
"When you are in a situation like this you probably think that you don´t have any energy… and you´d rather be on your own and just dwell on your own misery… but in my opinion you never have as much energy in your body as when you are going through a crisis – and instead of letting the closed in energy within you turn you to a depressed couch-potato – channel that energy – do things. Start training, run or whatever you´re into, but don´t keep it in."

This is so true...lol in fact I even stopped going out just because I was feeling depressed. I didn't want to attribute it to him, but perhaps it is due to that...oh and I did also start trying to get back into shape and take care of myself like I did before. I in the past had to deal with depression, and this along with other things going on in my life (my uncle whom was close to me was dying of brain and lung cancer while we were "breaking up.") that also caused my depressive mood.

Venus Trine Pluto said:
"You havent mentioned the reason why it ended to start with. Must have been for a reason. In my case it was because we were both not ready and immature. But you get caught up in the grand passion and physical attraction."

Actually you hit the nail on the head. He and I would basically have periods of wanting to be close...but then pushing each other away. Then either one would do something like flirt with the other's friend, or say they want freedom. Then the next day want closeness. He also needed frequent breaks as he felt he cared too much for me and he was too emotional towards me and he didn't want to fell that way. Also my friends hated him, and I am African American...and he is white...and we attend school in SC (despite the fact that he is from MD)...so there was some retience from mainly me. The university I go to isn't exactly forward thinking. Anyway you were right...it really boiled down to the fact that neither one of us was mature.

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Glaucus
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posted March 04, 2008 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is your Golden Section,Planetary Node Chart

Golden Section Aspects

1 +21°15'
2 +42°29'
3 +47°30'
4 +68°45'
5 +111°15'
6 +132°29'
7 +137°30'
8 +158°45'
A +34°22'
B +55°37'
C +124°22'
D +145°37'
a +132°30'
b +85°00'
c +132°30'
d +137°30'
e +68°48'
f +47°30'
g +34°24'


The Following are Golden Section Aspects and Planetary Node Aspects. The Intepretations are from Ruth Brummond's Rulebook of Planetary Pictures. Originator of the use of Golden Section Aspects and Geocentric Planetary Nodes in Astrology,Theodor Landscheidt used the interpetations from Reinhold Ebertin's COSI(Combination of Stellar Influences)for the Golden Section Aspects and Planetary Node Aspects in his Planetary Node article.
Ebertin's Interpretations are based on Witte's Rulebook of Planetary Pictures which is what Ruth Brummond's Rulebook is based on. Therefore,I thought it would make sense to use Ruth Brummond's Rulebook. Another reason for using her book is that her book is more modern,psychologically oriented than both COSI and Witte's Rulebook of Planetary Pictures.

The interpretations include both negative and positive interpretations of both psychological nature and having to do with events.........please keep in mind that these are possibilities that fit in with the planetary symbolisms. Therefore,not all of them will apply to you.

GOLDEN SECTION ASPECTS - Maximum Orb of 1 degree


Mar 5 MC 0°31' A
MC.MA.*
+ strong-willed. energetic. resolute; decided. vivacious. industrious. ambitious. enterprising. goal-oriented. ready for action. practical. capable of exceptional performance. spontaneous. assertive. athletic.
I will. My work. Job. Profession. Undertaking. To be active. To proceed energetically. To be in action. To take initiative.
- aggressive. lacking in self-control. agitated.

Ven 2 Asc 0°48' S
AS.VE.*
+ courteous. sociable. congenial. friendly. charming. empathic. even-tempered. peaceable. accommodating. capable of true love. sympathetic. benevolent. warm-hearted. humane. affectionate. sensual. personable. attractive. goes out of one's way for others. sensitive to color, form, and texture. appreciative of beauty. has artistic talent.
Love of the partner. Harmonious partnership. To experience sympathy. Enjoyment due to others. To make a pleasant acquaintance. To experience attraction or affection. Pleasurable interaction. Beautiful place. Art at the location.
- moody.

Sat 6 Asc 0°56' S
AS.SA.*
+ cautious. reserved. socially withdrawn. steadfast. persistent. focused. calm. serious. retrospective; interested in historical factors. slow but steady. pragmatic.
Long-term partnership. Reliability in partnerships. Older associates. Departure or separation from a place. Problems shared with others.
- distant. difficult to contact or get through to. unsociable. stuck in the past. inhibited. restricted. confined. feels cramped or hard pressed. prone to depressions. sluggish. hard.
Restrictions due to the environs. Others' limits. Difficulties in the environs. Problems with or due to others. Complications in interaction. Hindrances due to the partner.

Plu 5 Asc 0°23' A
AS.PL.*
+ skilled at developing. capable at transforming or metamorphosis. enjoys contact with others. adapts. spontaneous. flexible. varies.
Change or modification in the environment. Transformation due to interaction. Development of a partnership. Alteration or change in relationships. Development of contacts. Changing interactions. Change of location. Change of residence. Development of a place.
- impermanent. unreliable. fickle. unstable.

Sun D Jup 0°12' S
SU.JU.*
+ positive in outlook. cheerful. happy. content. healthy. enjoys life. untroubled. candid. honest. open. tactful. lucky. prosperous. congenial. enthusiastic. objective. fair. experienced at handling money.
Wealthy man. The good luck of men. Satisfied person. Good health. Success. Recognition. Profits. Owner. Physical well-being. Weight gain. Beneficial day. Successful years.
- calculating. overly materialistic. reckless. irresponsible. pompous. ostentatious. prone to boast or brag.
Excess fat. Legal problems.

Sun 5 Plu 0°49' S
SU.PL.*
+ adaptable. spontaneous. skilled at developing. capable at transforming. changes things. likes variety.
Development of a person. Modern man. Change in connection with the husband. Readjustment with or due to the husband. To be in transition. Bodily changes. Growth. Physical development. Physical assimilation. Days full of changes. Years of readjustments.
- not always trustworthy. unstable. fickle. vacillating. [exploitive or abusive when unevolved.]

Sun b Eri 0°07' S
(Eris is recently discovered........to me, it seems like it has to do with controversy,ideology,diversity,divergence,considerate/inconsiderate of viewpoints/opinions/beliefs/values,bigotry,terrorism, redefining boundaries)......Honestly, I think that it not only fits with any belief system but also even Astrology.........I even think that Eris might even be a co-ruler of Astrology

even its discoverer, Dr. Michael Brown said
“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” ) http://www-tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html


Mon 1 Jup 0°28' S
MO.JU.*
+ satisfied. cheerful. happy. optimistic. has stong convictions. candid. positive in outlook. adventurous. congenial. lucky. prosperous. emotionally fulfilled. trustworthy. hopeful. experienced at handling money. fair. just.
Successful woman. Harmonious disposition. Profits. Wealth. Fortunate hours. Favorable time. Gains for the public. Public finances. Public justice. Satisfied nation.
- overly emotional.

Mer 4 Ven 0°13' A
ME.VE.*
+ extroverted. enjoys social contact. cooperative. clever. obliging. venturesome. epicurean. entertaining. eloquent. capable of being loving. congenial. people-oriented. lively. apt at theory. aesthetically conscious. musical. expresses oneself well. has artistic talent.
Thoughts of love. Harmonious conversation. Sympathy due to discussion. Enjoyment in connection with communication. To experience affection. Pleasant dialogue. To express desires. To give hope. Harmonious or graceful motion. Communication about or due to art. Acquaintanceship.
- self-indulgent. smug. pretentious. vain.

Mer D Nep 0°49' A
ME.NE.*
+ intuitive. highly perceptive. thinks in the abstract. has an active imagination. skilled at empathizing. has reliable hunches. future-oriented. interested in metaphysical factors. highly imaginative. daydreams. imitative.
Secret thoughts. Obscure conversation. Private communications. Discussion of the unknown. Intuitively-aided communication. Opinions about the future. Thoughts of the immaterial. Motion in the water or air. Acting ability.
- self-deceiving. deluded. deceptive. unreliable. absent-minded. forgetful. prone to misjudge.
Unclear ideas. Deceit in a discussion. Disillusionment due to a conversation. Uncertainty or unreliability in connection with communications. Confusion. To be resigned to fate.

Ven D Nep 0°35' A
VE.NE.*
+ intuitive. empathic. sentimental. longing. daydreams. visionary. has unusual ideas about love. future-oriented. musically inclined. appreciates metaphysical realities. Prophetic person. Futuristic hobbies. Ambiguity about feelings or preferences. Love of water. Mild breeze. Pleasurable relaxation. Glands. Glandular secretions.
- has cravings. deluded. gushing. uncongenial. illusory. insincere. uncertain. wily. easily swayed. easily imposed upon. unfeeling. indifferent.
Uncertainty in love. Deceit in love. Unhappiness. Disharmony. Hopelessness. Indifference. Loss of sympathy. Sacrifice of or due to love.

Ura 2 Plu 0°30' A
UR.PL.*
+ energetic. industrious. flexible. readily stimulated. impatient. alterable. capable at technical development. reformist. gifted with rhythm.
Sudden change. Surprising development. Unexpected readjustment. Exciting or adventurous change. Development of a stimulus. Increasing excitement. Transformation due to reforms. Technical innovation or development. Futuristic development. Current event.
- impulsive. restless. tense. easily upset. hectic. agitated. stressed. explosive. unsettled. turbulent. unstable. vacillating. [abusive when unevolved.]
Growing tensions. Increasing stress. Upsetting readjustment.


Special Features:
Mercury,Venus,Neptune Golden Section Triangle
(Neptune oppose Mercury/Venus midpoint - '42)
ME.VE.NE.
+ inspired. imaginative in speaking and writing. empathic. subtle. aesthetically conscious. daydreams. charmed. delighted. romantic. future-oriented. interested in non-concrete or abstract topics and themes.
Secret encounter. Romantic inclinations.
- fanatical. gushing. deluded. superficial. unrealistic. disloyal. unstable. inconstant.
Fleeting acquaintance. Fanaticism in love. Loves to spin yarns. Discussion of doubtful relationships. Inharmonious discussion. Fruitless hopes. Disappointing encounter.


PLANETARY NODE ASPECTS - Maximum Orb of 2 degree, Using only the hard aspects of Conjunction,Opposition,and Square


South Mercury Node conjunct Mercury - 1'53
ME : Mercury : PSY: + agile. aware. able to reason. entertaining. has business acumen.
MANIFESTATIONS : The intellect. Thinking. Ideas. Language. Mental perception. Mimicry. Intellect. Verbal manifestations. News. Youth. Mobility. Mercantilism.
MED/CHEM: The nerves. The element Mercury [Hg].
- inconstant. nervous.

North Venus Node oppose Neptune - '47
VE.NE.*
+ intuitive. empathic. sentimental. longing. daydreams. visionary. has unusual ideas about love. future-oriented. musically inclined. appreciates metaphysical realities. Prophetic person. Futuristic hobbies. Ambiguity about feelings or preferences. Love of water. Mild breeze. Pleasurable relaxation. Glands. Glandular secretions.
- has cravings. deluded. gushing. uncongenial. illusory. insincere. uncertain. wily. easily swayed. easily imposed upon. unfeeling. indifferent.
Uncertainty in love. Deceit in love. Unhappiness. Disharmony. Hopelessness. Indifference. Loss of sympathy. Sacrifice of or due to love.

South Venus Node square Saturn - '12
VE.SA.*
+ loyal. shy. cautious. discreet. likes solitude. dutiful. level-headed; down-to-earth. retrospective; interested in historical factors. quality-conscious. has integrity. guileless. charming in a formal way. talented with graphic, tactile, or utilitarian arts.
Deep love. Enduring attraction. Harmony in maturity. Enjoyment in the evening. Quality due to discrimination. Functional art. Antique art.
- stand-offish. prosaic. dull. stuck in the past. naive. apathetic. inhibited about love. has a hard time enjoying oneself. contrary. squeamish. charming in a calculated way. emotionally cold.
Little sympathy. Jealousy. Destroyed harmony. Cooling of emotions. Alienation. Problematic attraction. Difficulties due to love. Unable to experience pleasure freely. Heartache.


South Saturn Node conjunct Moon - '02
MO.SA.*
+ serious. circumspect. focused. duty-conscious. self-disciplined. self-restrained. socially withdrawn. practical.
Persistence. Endurance. Solitary or older woman. Serious woman. Evening hours. Dealings with public problems.
- distant. difficult to contact. overly conservative. inhibited. suppressed. depressive. worrisome. pessimistic. oedipal. emotionally cold.
Emotional inhibition. Depressions. Retardation or postponement. Impediments. Difficulties. Hour of separation. Obstacles or delays among or due to the public.

South Mars Node square Asc - 1'45
AS.MA.*
+ strong willed. energetic. resolute. enterprising. ready for action. ability to accomplish. practical. conscious of goals. spontaneous. outgoing and eager to make contact. forthright. assertive.
To initiate a partnership. Teamwork. Cooperative effort. To be encouraged to act. Others take action. Work in or with the environment. Action with others. Coworker. Joint initiative. Local activities.
- irritable. uncontrolled. aggressive.

North Jupiter Node conjunct Sun - 1'00
South Jupiter Node oppose Sun - 1'29
SU.JU.*
+ positive in outlook. cheerful. happy. content. healthy. enjoys life. untroubled. candid. honest. open. tactful. lucky. prosperous. congenial. enthusiastic. objective. fair. experienced at handling money.
Wealthy man. The good luck of men. Satisfied person. Good health. Success. Recognition. Profits. Owner. Physical well-being. Weight gain. Beneficial day. Successful years.
- calculating. overly materialistic. reckless. irresponsible. pompous. ostentatious. prone to boast or brag.
Excess fat. Legal problems.

North Jupiter Node conjunct Ascendant - '11
South Jupiter Node oppose Ascendant - '17
AS.JU.*
+ enjoys contact with others; outgoing. cooperative. even-tempered. friendly. peace-loving. candid. open. people-oriented. congenial. fair. experienced at handling money. positive in outlook.
Favorable relationship to the environment. Good luck due to others. Wealthy partner. Successful partnership. Pleasurable interaction. Profitable associations. Pleasant acquaintance. Beneficial contacts. Wealthy locale.
- calculating. materialistic.

South Uranus Node oppose Uranus - '18
UR : Uranus : PSY: + spontaneously intuitive. original. unpredictable.
MANIFESTATIONS : Events. Occurrences. Surprises. Adventures. Spontaneous intuition. Impulse. Suddenness. The unexpected. Spontaneity. Eccentricity. Progress. Reforms. Technology. Mathematics. Natural energies. Electricity.
MED/CHEM: Pulling or acute pains.
- easily upset. stressful. unsettled. non-committal. spasmodic.
Nervousness. Tension. Restlessness. Reckless impulse.


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*** SYNASTRY ASPECTS LIST REPORT ***

Here is your Golden Section,Planetary Node Chart


CHART A
GrlyEx - Natal Chart
Dec 1 1986, 7:20 pm
Baltimore MD

CHART B
Grly - Natal Chart
Jul 3 1985, 5:45 am
Bellflower CA


g
Aspect
Abbr Angle
1 +21°15'
2 +42°29'
3 +47°30'
4 +68°45'
5 +111°15'
6 +132°29'
7 +137°30'
8 +158°45'
A +34°22'
B +55°37'
C +124°22'
D +145°37'
a +132°30'
b +85°00'
c +132°30'
d +137°30'
e +68°48'
f +47°30'
g +34°24'


The Following are Golden Section Aspects and Planetary Node Aspects. The Intepretations are from Ruth Brummond's Rulebook of Planetary Pictures. Originator of the use of Golden Section Aspects and Geocentric Planetary Nodes in Astrology,Theodor Landscheidt used the interpetations from Reinhold Ebertin's COSI(Combination of Stellar Influences)for the Golden Section Aspects and Planetary Node Aspects in his Planetary Node article.
Ebertin's Interpretations are based on Witte's Rulebook of Planetary Pictures which is what Ruth Brummond's Rulebook is based on. Therefore,I thought it would make sense to use Ruth Brummond's Rulebook. Another reason for using her book is that her book is more modern,psychologically oriented than both COSI and Witte's Rulebook of Planetary Pictures.

The interpretations include both negative and positive interpretations of both psychological nature and having to do with events.........please keep in mind that these are possibilities that fit in with the planetary symbolisms. Therefore,not all of them will apply to you.


GOLDEN SECTION ASPECTS - Maximum Orb of 1 degree except for outerplanets which is 1/2 degree


Aspects from GirlyGrl to Girly'sEx

Jup 2 MC 0°39' S
MC.JU.*
+ even-tempered. agreeable. friendly. seeks peace. honest. candid. open. tactful. congenial. well-intentioned. experienced at handling money.
My good fortune. Success. Inner satisfaction. Gains. Profits. Money. My possessions. To benefit. To be favored.
- calculating. overly materialistic.

Nep 2 Mer 0°04' S
ME.NE.*
+ intuitive. highly perceptive. thinks in the abstract. has an active imagination. skilled at empathizing. has reliable hunches. future-oriented. interested in metaphysical factors. highly imaginative. daydreams. imitative.
Secret thoughts. Obscure conversation. Private communications. Discussion of the unknown. Intuitively-aided communication. Opinions about the future. Thoughts of the immaterial. Motion in the water or air. Acting ability.
- self-deceiving. deluded. deceptive. unreliable. absent-minded. forgetful. prone to misjudge.
Unclear ideas. Deceit in a discussion. Disillusionment due to a conversation. Uncertainty or unreliability in connection with communications. Confusion. To be resigned to fate.


Ven 8 Ven 0°11' S
VE : Venus : PSY: + has a strong anima. alluring. congenial. charming. even-tempered. sentimental. tranquil. friendly.
MANIFESTATIONS : Love. Attraction. Congeniality. Goodwill. Sympathy. Gifts. Harmony. Cordiality. Feeling. Balance. Attraction. Charm. Pleasure. Anticipation. Desires. Satisfaction. Proclivity. Comforts. Beauty. Taste. Art.
MED/CHEM: The Glands. Veins. Sugar. The element Copper [Cu].
- vain. hedonistic. takes for granted.


Mar 6 Mar 0°34' A
MA : Mars : PSY: + strong-willed. ready for action. capable of accomplishment.
MANIFESTATIONS : Work. Job. Occupation. Actions. Workmanship. Decision. Impulse. Activity. Willpower. Energy. Struggle. Archetypal masculinity. Animus. Kinetic energy.
MED/CHEM: Inflammatory, sharp, piercing, or cutting pains. The element Iron [Fe].
- lacking in self-control. aggressive.


Mon 2 Sat 0°32' S
Sat 1 Mon 0°54' S
(Double Whammy)
MO.SA.*
+ serious. circumspect. focused. duty-conscious. self-disciplined. self-restrained. socially withdrawn. practical.
Persistence. Endurance. Solitary or older woman. Serious woman. Evening hours. Dealings with public problems.
- distant. difficult to contact. overly conservative. inhibited. suppressed. depressive. worrisome. pessimistic. oedipal. emotionally cold.
Emotional inhibition. Depressions. Retardation or postponement. Impediments. Difficulties. Hour of separation. Obstacles or delays among or due to the public.


Mar D Sat 0°20' A
MA.SA.*
+ focused. capable of concentration. conscientious. works systematically. proceeds methodically. persistent. disciplined. careful. cautious. pragmatic. stops at nothing.
Concentrated or focused work. Long-lasting activity. To work with problems. To effect a separation. Sporadic work. To complete an assignment. Physical labor. Hard work.
- overly conservative. stubborn. contrary. indecisive. works slowly. sluggish. unenergetic. fearful. gets anxious at times. stiff. obstinate. suicidal in some cases. disputatious. quarrelsome. gets angry.
Difficulties in the work. End of activities. Standstill of energies. Death. Rheumatic pain.

Plu 2 Mon 0°24' A
MO.PL.*
+ adapts. skilled at converting or transforming. spontaneous. skilled at developing. change things.
Development of or into a woman. Transformation of or due to the wife. Changes of the wife. Glandular functions. Hourly changes. Public development. Readjustment of a nation.
- fickle. inconstant. unreliable. moody. unsettled.
Vacillating circumstances.

Plu 6 Jup 0°31' A
JU.PL.*
+ successful at developing. adapts. skilled at transforming. clever. courteous. obliging. positive in outlook. experienced at handling money. advocates justice. prudent. congenial. likes change.
Favorable development. Beneficial alteration. Increasing success. Profitable readjustment. Lucky transformation. Beneficial change. Growing profits. Momentary gains. Financial development. Self-developed justice. Liver functions.
- not always trustworthy. vacillating. unsettled. unstable. [financially exploitive when unevolved.]

Sat 2 Nep 0°13' S
SA.NE.*
+ seriously engaged with metaphysical considerations. preoccupied with mysteries or the unfamiliar. cautious. difficult to deceive. denunciatory. deals with medical issues.
Old age in the future. Past and future. The material and the metaphysical. Dissolution of restraint or restrictions. Medical issues. Habits. Ice. Hoarfrost. [Harnessing of inspirations. Sobriety. Departure by water or air. Responsibilities dealing with air, liquids, or gaseous substances.]
- devitalized. continually uncertain or unstable. contrary. dissatisfied. lacking in imagination. impaired or injured. [lacking discipline.]
Convulsion. Unrecognized difficulties. Problems due to uncertainty or instability. Incomprehensible problems. Illness. Inconveniences. Suffering. Chronic conditions. Separation or departure after deceit. Problems in relation to water or air.

Sat 5 Jup 0°47' S
JU.SA.*
+ mature. patient. modest. humble. moderate. thorough. level-headed. matter-of-fact. circumspect. conservative. frugal. serious.
Enduring good luck. Lasting success. Satisfaction in later times. Fortunate separation or departure. Income later. Frozen assets. Financial shares or stocks. Legal temperance. Conditional problems. Maturation. Building. Change of location.
- overly materialistic. pedantic. mammonistic. philistine. miserly. contrary. poor at handling money. sometimes unfair. prone to undervalue.
Separation from good luck. Financial difficulties. Scarce money. Few possessions. Limited earnings. Legal problems.


Asc b Eri 0°18' A
MC 1 Eri 0°13' A
Eri 2 Mar 0°05' A
(Eris is recently discovered........to me, it seems like it has to do with controversy,ideology,diversity,divergence,considerate/inconsiderate of viewpoints/opinions/beliefs/values,bigotry,terrorism, redefining boundaries)......Honestly, I think that it not only fits with any belief system but also even Astrology.........I even think that Eris might even be a co-ruler of Astrology

even its discoverer, Dr. Michael Brown said
“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” ) http://www-tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html


SYNASTRY PLANETARY NODES

Soul Mate Indicators in Astrology (Part 1) by Stephen Smith

"Some astrological software programs like Solar Fire, v. 5, include the planetary nodes in their computations. What all of the nodes show us is the development of the Soul over time within its current cycle of experience so that the South (Lunar) or Descending (Planetary) Nodes reveal the Soul's evolution up to the beginning of this lifetime and the North (Lunar) or Ascending (Planetary) Nodes reveal the intent the Soul has for its direction in the future. The Moon represents the emotional center of one's personality, its instincts, habits, and unquestioned existential assumptions; the raw, unformed ego-state of personality that serves as one's initial selfhood until (and unless) one can grow into one's individuated Sun self. This is the realm of reaction and untested, visceral perceptions of reality. Its nodes generate emotional impressions of where the Soul has been and where it is going. Aspects between one partner's planets and the other's South Lunar Node stir up distant memories of feelings and instinct past, indicating either an actual karmic connection from a previous lifetime or something terribly reminiscent of one. The hard aspects especially produce patterns of energy and curiosity between two people, as do conjunctions by the Luminaries, by excitement-producing Mars and Uranus, and by the ultimate indicator of karmic obligation, Saturn. Aspects to the partner's North Node are not so easily felt, representing what could be should the two decide to join forces over a considerable period of time. My uses of the planetary nodes have been inspired and influenced by the brilliant pioneering work of eminent astrologer, Jeffrey Wolf Green. Strong aspects, especially tight conjunctions, oppositions, and squares, of one partner's planets and/or angles to the Descending Nodes of the other's personal planets (Mercury, Venus, and Mars) are significant indicators of soul mate connection and likely involvement in previous lifetimes. The actual pre-incarnate contact between the two parties strengthens the experience of soulfulness in the relationship exactly because the source of that contact lies outside one's current bodily perimeters. This works in much the same way that meeting an old and close high school friend after an absence of some twenty or thirty years evokes not only the feelings and memories associated with those years together but also an enhanced sense of life's meaning in general through comparison of where we were then and where we are now. These contacts put us in touch with a deeper dimension of life than we could experience within either of those points in time by themselves. The reason we use only the nodes of the innermost planets is because those of the planets from Jupiter on out move too slowly to be of much use in analysis of personal relationships."
http://www.synastry.us/soulmate_indicators.asp


Synastry Nodes of the faster planets (Mercury,Venus,Mars)......only the hard aspects (Conjunction,Square,Opposition Aspects Used).....Maximum Orb of 1 degree.......outer planets that aspect the planetary nodes is 1/2 degree orb

Nodal Aspects from Girly'sEx to GirlyGrl:

North Venus Node conjunct Saturn - '23
VE.SA.*
+ loyal. shy. cautious. discreet. likes solitude. dutiful. level-headed; down-to-earth. retrospective; interested in historical factors. quality-conscious. has integrity. guileless. charming in a formal way. talented with graphic, tactile, or utilitarian arts.
Deep love. Enduring attraction. Harmony in maturity. Enjoyment in the evening. Quality due to discrimination. Functional art. Antique art.
- stand-offish. prosaic. dull. stuck in the past. naive. apathetic. inhibited about love. has a hard time enjoying oneself. contrary. squeamish. charming in a calculated way. emotionally cold.
Little sympathy. Jealousy. Destroyed harmony. Cooling of emotions. Alienation. Problematic attraction. Difficulties due to love. Unable to experience pleasure freely. Heartache.

South Mars Node oppose Venus - '12
(I have this same aspect with my girlfriend.....my South Mars Node oppose her Venus - '29 and her South Venus Node is conjunct my Mars - '20,and the passion,romantic,sexual chemistry is amazing....Venus-Mars planetary node connections seem to indicate high degree sexual attraction,passion that might not be shown with traditional Astrology)
VE.MA.*
+passionate. instinctive. spontaneous. charming. enchanting. sexually appealing. enterprising. high-spirited. provocative. people-oriented. enjoys one's work. artistically talented.
To arouse sympathy or attraction. To give pleasure. To act out of love. Donation. Passion. To enjoy doing something. Pleasant work. To pursue a hobby. Blood relative. Sexuality. Artistic activity.
- carnal. emotionally impulsive. flirtatious. sexually obsessed.


Nodal Aspects from GirlyGrl to Girly'sEx:

North Mercury Node square MC - '50
MC.ME.*
+ highly aware. agile or mobile. youthful. nimble. busy. eloquent. entertaining. people-oriented. has business acumen.
To deliberately think something over. To form an opinion. To carry on a monologue. Personal concept. Discussion. Conversation. Speech.
- unsettled. restless. nervous.

South Mars Node oppose Sun - '50
SU.MA.*
+ strong-willed. energetic. decisive. vigorous. vivacious. enterprising. goal-oriented. industrious. hardworking. eager. ready for action. courageous. daring. fearless. athletic. handy. assertive.
To be active. To demonstrate one's will. To accomplish something. To be at work. To be busy. The actions of a person. Active man. Days of work. To accomplish something during the years.
- pushy. inconsiderate. lacking in self-control. aggressive.
Inconsiderate behavior. Physical inflammation.


I looked at your ex's planetary Nodes
I don't feel that he can settle down easily. It's not just the Moon conjunct Uranus in Sagittarius which has orb of almost 8 degrees. I don't put a lot of emphasis on sign nor house placements. His Moon has very strong Uranus energy through the nodes. Nodes of Jupiter and objects beyond move much slower than the outerplanets, and so they all have to do with the collective. The Nodes of Uranus move far more slowly than Uranus,and so the Nodes of Uranus have to do with the collective compared to Uranus which has to do with the generation. So the Uranus Nodes have to do with independence,innovation,unconventional,insight of a collective nature. I have South Uranus Node oppose MC - '50,square Ascendant - 1'22.


In your Ex's chart:

Moon conjunct South Uranus Node - '18
Moon oppose North Uranus Node - '09
MO.UR.*
+ intuitive. alert. readily aroused. quick to catch on. inclined to the unusual. spontaneous. original. unpredictable. progressive. has rhythm. technically inclined.
Event of or with a woman. To be stimulated. Eventful hours. To awaken.
- temperamental. self-willed. easily upset. impatient. irritable. unsettled. nervous. revolutionary.
Psychological tensions. Impulses of a woman. Cerebral apoplexy. Public unrest. Excited or agitated nation.

Saturn conjunct South Uranus Node - 1'49
SA.UR.*
+ emotionally restrained. focused. capable of concentration. self-controlled. progressive.
Surprising persistence. Stimulating problems. Stimulus in later years. Event in the past. Dealings with technical problems.
- contrary. tense as a spring. repressed; cramped. controlling. indecisive. obstinate. short tempered. touchy. quarrelsome. disruptive.
Unexpected problems. Continual tension. Upset in relation to delays. Surprising obstacle. Stress. Crisis. Unexpected departure. Difficult reform. Sudden coldness.

Moon-Saturn-Uranus
MO.SA.UR.
+ focused. persistent. steadfast. progressive in some ways and conservative in others. absorbed in technical matters.
Serious stimuli of or from a woman. Surprise over the persistence of the wife. Unexpected departure with the wife. Stimulating evening hours. Technology of a small nation. [Day to day technical responsibilities. Stabilization of emotional impulses or erratic habits.]
- self-willed. contrary. hard-hearted. emotionally cold. tense; stressed. temperamental. short-tempered. disputatious. emotionally inhibited. cramped.
Unexpected difficulties with or due to a woman. Problematic event. Situation of conflict. Surprising separation of or due to the wife. Sudden depressions. Nervous disorder. Continuous tension among the public.

He also has

Moon conjunct South Venus Node - 1'31
MO.VE.*
+ sentimental. even-tempered. friendly. peaceful. warm-hearted. kind. caring. concerned. accommodating. giving. affectionate. mellow. gentle. pleasant. sensual. smooth. longing. hopeful. epicurean. tasteful. attractive. elegant. gracious. charming. beauty-conscious. artistic.
Loving woman. Pretty girl. Love of the wife. Inner equilibrium. In harmony with oneself. Hour of joy. Beauty. Sympathy among the public. Artiste.
- emotionally biased. hedonistic. vain. narcissistic. has cravings.

Saturn conjunct South Venus Node - 1'36
VE.SA.*
+ loyal. shy. cautious. discreet. likes solitude. dutiful. level-headed; down-to-earth. retrospective; interested in historical factors. quality-conscious. has integrity. guileless. charming in a formal way. talented with graphic, tactile, or utilitarian arts.
Deep love. Enduring attraction. Harmony in maturity. Enjoyment in the evening. Quality due to discrimination. Functional art. Antique art.
- stand-offish. prosaic. dull. stuck in the past. naive. apathetic. inhibited about love. has a hard time enjoying oneself. contrary. squeamish. charming in a calculated way. emotionally cold.
Little sympathy. Jealousy. Destroyed harmony. Cooling of emotions. Alienation. Problematic attraction. Difficulties due to love. Unable to experience pleasure freely. Heartache.

Moon-Venus-Saturn
MO.VE.SA.
+ responsible. duty-conscious. loyal. modest. humble. shy. renunciatory. feels comfortable with seclusion or privacy. retrospective; interested in historical factors. pragmatic. interested in antique, tactile, or graphic arts.
Earnest love of the wife. Love of an older woman. Loyally devotion. Happiness over her dependability. Enjoyable evening hours. Serious artiste. Antique arts.
- dependent. inhibited. restricted. unlucky. unhappy. lonely. sad.gloomy. contrary. lacking in self-confidence. stuck in the past. prone to feel inferior. emotionally cold.
Difficulties in love due to a woman. Resistance to the wife's or mother's affection. Rigidity of emotions. Inner alienation. Inhibited feelings. Interrupted harmony. Separation from a loving person. Desires which are not fulfilled. Problems with public peace or concord.

So at the moment of his birth, the fast moving South Venus Node and the very slow moving South Uranus Node were in conjunction,and they conjunct his Moon and Saturn. To me,it seems that he's a very freedom loving person but can easily feel like he's being controlled,restricted,limited when there is discipline and structure....Evolutionary Astrologers would say that it could stem from a pastlife.


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