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ripley
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posted March 09, 2008 10:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My boyfriend and I split last year (his choice) but he continues to have a hold over me. Is it possible to see from my/his charts or our composite chart why this is? I am new to astrology and find it difficult to read the charts
Thanks
Ripley

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BornUnderDioscuri
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posted March 09, 2008 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm there could be strong obsessive aspects. Would you mind putting up your chart?

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libraschoice7
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posted March 09, 2008 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you post both your birthdays with place and time of birth, then it would be much easier to help see what is going on between you

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

"I seem to have the blind self-acceptance of the eccentric who can't conceive that his eccentricities are not clearly understood"

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26taurus
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posted March 09, 2008 11:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That can be natural. You have some things to learn from it.

Take time to discover what. Then, free yourself!

The best is yet to come.

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ripley
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posted March 10, 2008 02:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys
I am 13th january 1962 4.45AM London UK
He is 9th november 1958 5.45AM London UK
I am trying to attach composite chart. Any help/advice really, really appreciated!!!

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Nightjar
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posted March 10, 2008 04:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I am new to astrology and find it difficult to read the charts

How much do you know about astrology? The basics? Have you tried to interpret your birth charts and relationship charts, or can you not do that yet?
I just hope you won't be one of those newbies who just come here for free chart interpretation and then swiftly disappear.

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posted March 10, 2008 05:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think coming over for a free chart interpretation and then swiftly disappear is OK, too...

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Azalaksh
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posted March 10, 2008 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BLKFox ~
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I think coming over for a free chart interpretation and then swiftly disappear is OK, too...
That kind of behavior often discourages the regulars/veterans from spending the time and energy to help new people. This is a forum, and personally I like to see the noobs stay and learn and discuss, rather than grab'n'go. That's why some of us hang back and wait -- to see if the noob is willing to GIVE as well as receive, to see if that person is willing to actually invest the time to learn about this vast art/science of Astrology or just come here to ask questions and expect the answers to be delivered on a silver platter with no effort on their part.....

ripley ~

Here's a thread with a lot of good info for new people: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/015151.html
Welcome to LL!!

~ Zala

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ripley
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posted March 11, 2008 08:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand you regulars suspicion, but I can't really contribute much to the forum as I'm new to astrology but I want to learn as much as possible then maybe I can contribute in future.I'm definitely not the type who will disappear over the horizon. I've read books so have idea of what Venus in Scorpio means in a chart but when it comes to comparing charts I'm all at sea, eg if a planet makes a hard aspect to another? .I'm not looking for a free chart interpretation just a few pointers, ideas as to why I still feel this strong connection. Have tried uploading composite chart but no luck. Thanks for link suggested will try that.

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posted March 11, 2008 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BornunderDiscouri was right about mentioning strong obsessive aspects

The first thing that I check would be Pluto

In the composite chart:
Pluto conjunct Midheaven - '35
that indicates a very intense in regards to each other's goals,aim of life as well as domestic environment,unconscious(Pluto oppose Imum Coeli

Mars conjunct South Lunar Node - '20
that seems to indicate it was natural for to be so much passion that tempers could even flare...there is a possibility with aggression,violence of a possible karmic nature.....especially with the composite having Sun square Mars with 1'10 orb,and that definitely indicate a clash of wills and strong possbility for aggression,violence

Sun conjunct Venus indicate a strong love,romantic connection, but Mars squares that....so its very passionate....even too passionate.....there could be some selfishness,abrasiveness,roughness from one of the partners or both.....also could be too much emphasis on the sexual part of a relationship......this can also be a love n' hate relationship.
I also wonder about the Mercury square Eris. It makes me think about controversial communications,too much debating,thinking one's right and the other is wrong,...and possible rumors that cause problems in the relationship.

I also checked geocentric planetary nodes in the composite:
Moon conjunct North Pluto Node - '22
Moon oppose South Pluto Node - '55
that can indicate an intense emotional emotional connection
Moon oppose South Saturn Node - '47
that can seem like the feelings were very serious in the relationship but there were strong feelings of obligation,duty that can could end up feeling restricting,limiting

The dude has Sun-Venus-Jupiter in Scorpio square Uranus(Sun square Uranus - '02, Venus square Uranus -'32,Jupiter square Uranus-3'14, Sun conjunct Venus - '34,Sun conjunct Jupiter - 3'17) which indicates an unpredictable,unstable intense love nature which can be hard for him to settle down. it could also suggest unpredictable sexual activity like he could get involved with sexual affairs even though he's in a relationship. He seems like he could be too independent,unreliable to be in a steady relationship because he can change partners without warning.

His Sun contraparallels Uranus with 7 minutes of arc, and so he has Sun square/contraparallel Uranus...a Sun-Uranus bilevel.....to me,that's the "I am free to do whatever I want and I don't care what anybody else thinks!"

at the least,unconventional....maybe even a rebel or what they call a "bad boy"

His Uranus conjunct Midheaven and Moon sextile Uranus also reinforces the independent,unpredictable nature.

He has Mercury square Pluto with 1'44 orb which can indicate intense thinking as well as possible can be manipulating,abusive in communications(like cussing somebody out) which can be connected to trust issues,suspicion...possibly paranoia.

He has Sun-Venus quintile Pluto(Sun quintile Pluto - '16, Venus quintile Pluto - '17) which suggest sexual attractiveness,charm,charisma which could be something to worry about with his Sun-Venus square Uranus. He could easily make his committed partners insecure by being a flirt with other women.


I checked your natal
Your Sun,Venus,Mars are conjunct in the security-oriented,serious earthsign,Capricorn which definitely not be a good fit for a guy with Sun-Venus-Jupiter square Uranus like your exbf has. Your amorous nature,attractiveness suggested by your Sun-Venus-Mars stellium and your Venus-Mars occultation(Venus conjunct/parallel Mars) could be a factor in his being attracted to you....especially with his Venus sextile your Venus-Mars conjunction. You have Mercury quincunx Pluto which indicate possible trust issues and your Pluto squares Ascendant which indicates an intense personality as well as intense relationships. That there could have been trust issues connected to relationships.
Your Sun in Capricorn square Moon in Aries with 8 minutes of arc indicates that your relationships with men can be very challenging as your serious,grounded,responsible,security-oriented self expression conflicts with your independent,fiery feelings. It also indicate that parents might not have gotten along when you were born and that could affect how you are in a relationships that can be full of conflict.

You have Mercury-Jupiter-South Lunar Node in Aquarius square Neptune, and what I get from that configuration is somebody that is highly idealistic and trusting which can lead you trust the wrong people and can make you vulnerable to manipulation....especially when guys like your ex have a close Mercury square Pluto.

I also checked the geocentric planetary nodes in your chart


Your North Venus Node is oppose Pluto with 43 minutes of arc
not only that.....your North Pluto Node is oppose Venus with 36 minutes of arc and your South Pluto Node is conjunct Venus with 42 minutes of arc!

All those together indicates an intense love nature that can get involved deep,heavy,transformational relationships that could involve power issues...have to avoid abusive partners.....I say that can strongly indicate a hard time of letting go.


Your North Saturn Node squares Moon with 1'03 orb and oppose your Sun with 54 minutes of arc. Your South Saturn Node squares Moon with
52 minutes of arc and conjunct your Sun with 43 minutes of arc. This indicates that you're a very serious person who has strong obligations,duty in life and might feel that life is too heavy can affect your relationships. There is a possibility of insecurity that can affect your relationships too. There might have been hardships with your parents in the past which might affect your relationships.

It seems like you're a very deep,serious,security-oriented type and that really conflicted with your unpredictable,independent,freespirited exbf.

The composite chart shows a great intensity but also much conflict despite strong romantic attraction. It also shows instability with Uranus square Ascendant which reinforces your ex Sun-Venus-Jupiter square Uranus issues.


I feel that you would do much better off with a man who is mature,stable,responsible,practical,and who is not a gambler,risk-taker and makes you feel safe and secure.

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Azalaksh
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posted March 11, 2008 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ripley ~
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I understand you regulars suspicion, but I can't really contribute much to the forum as I'm new to astrology but I want to learn as much as possible then maybe I can contribute in future.I'm definitely not the type who will disappear over the horizon. I've read books so have idea of what Venus in Scorpio means in a chart but when it comes to comparing charts I'm all at sea, eg if a planet makes a hard aspect to another? .I'm not looking for a free chart interpretation just a few pointers, ideas as to why I still feel this strong connection.
I hope you'll enjoy it and feel at home here at LL -- there are a lot of people here with great insights on chart interpretation.

Obviously, you'll get more out of chart-reading if you can do it yourself. We, a group of strangers, see the chart and can give opinions as to the placements and aspects -- but we can't see where the native is in regards to their life-path and maturity level, and how they're expressing the potentials that the planets indicate.

There are several places online that I would recommend for starting your own interpretation journey --

Tim Wilson's site, astro kindergarten:
http://www.geocities.com/wilsontctc/index.html

And Bob Marks’ site, beginning to advanced interpretation:
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TOClessons.htm

Here’s a link to a fantastic number of Astrology links, covering every Astrology subject and wrinkle you can think of:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006272.html

Happy Trails!!

~ Zala

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Happy Dragon
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posted March 11, 2008 02:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just a quick note ..
( stormy weather just hit yorks and i'm shutting down this comp. for now 'n going for chow )

~ ripley's ~ .. chart without birthtime .. shows .. in close orb ..

transiting Saturn ( R ) .. opposite natal Chiron ( chiron in pisces ) ..
transiting Chiron opposite natal N.Node .. ( n.node in leo )
transiting Uranus sextile natal Venus .. ( venus in capricorn )

btw .. sais here .. the Nodes are currently retrograde ..
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~ ripley ~ .. some more bits'n'bobs of astro info here ..
~ http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/audiofls.html ~

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ripley
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posted March 13, 2008 08:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus, a million thanks for your brillant, in depth analysis. The part on my ex is like you actually know him. What you said is so true.
Thanks to Happy Dragon and Azalaksh for links.
I hope to be able to contribute though its hard to believe I could ever get as expert as you guys. Thanks again

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Azalaksh
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posted March 13, 2008 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ripley ~

There was a time not so long ago on this very board where all I wanted to know was, "His Mars trines my Venus -- will we be lovers forever??"

What you put into the study of Astrology is what you'll get out of it.....
Please don't make the mistake I did and jump into advanced topics without a good *solid* foundation in the basics:
Planet in Sign
Planet in House
Planet in Sign in House
Planet in Sign in House aspecting another Planet in Sign in House

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blue moon
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posted March 13, 2008 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can't agree with 'zala more on this one.

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Taurus80
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posted March 13, 2008 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taurus80     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL Zala! Good points!

That was me with "my moon conjuct his pluto-will I ever get him out of my head?". Then I realized that I have that with almost EVERYONE I meet! (in close orb too)

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livelife2learn
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posted March 13, 2008 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for livelife2learn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't know this forum has give and take rule. I wouldn't be surprised with Libran Moderator....lol... Sorry not offending our dear moderator here and have nothing against her.


This is just my point of view and I am more than happy if anyone is willing to criticise it or hold their own point of views.

I thought in life everyone should give unconditionally and not hold back while giving if you feel like it.Regulars can give but expecting that novoice is going to be able to actually participate in things which they have no idea about. OR write their thoughts when regulars will just jump on and make it sound as if you can't say that on this forum.I thought one should give selflessly and if you get more than that's great.You never know who might give you more than you can even take and how are you going to repay all back. Then will you be able to balance that? I guess not.

It is just when you are feeling that you are being used and you aren't happy for doing something then it is completely fine that you don't give. However I will say let others make a judgement whether they are taken for ride or enjoy giving their knowledge to others.

I disagree someone just giving because they are expecting something back. Life isn't business.

I am sorry I don't agree with give and take rule. If I can give back I will.If I can't I will not.It doesn't mean I am being selfish it just shows that I am not capable and that's what OP is saying. I will not be surprised if she might stay here for while or altogether disappear. Choice is yours whether you want to enjoy seeing at somebody else's chart let them know whether you are right or not.Let them know what aspects they are making. Whether you want to help others or not your choice.

Knowledge and ideas doesn't grow unless challenged and questioned. Every scientist needs a guniea pigs so does astrolger needs charts to read to and research on.

Anyways that's just my take on this subject.

I have similar case as OP but well if I will send my birth details then everyone
will tell me see the link and will go oh ! you are just a newbie and haven't contributed.BTW I am not a new bie I have been past 5 years but I don't post unless I need to.

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posted March 13, 2008 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Next time I see the builder up the road I'll ask him to sort out the pointing on the front of my house. He's bound to be swayed by the offer of hours of unpaid practice ~ especially when I tell him he will have the added bonus of knowing he is engaged in unconditional giving.

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Happy Dragon
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posted March 13, 2008 04:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
regarding ~ ripley's ~ query ..
••My boyfriend and I split last year ( his choice ) but he continues to have a hold over me.••
.. given that retrograde motion can indicate going over old ground ..
i was wondering if ripley's experiencing of the 'saturn opposite chiron ' transit again ..
has something to do with it ..

first hit of that transit was in october 2007 when direct
and now in march 2008 when saturn is retrograde
finaly re-aspecting in june 2008 when saturn is direct again

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Azalaksh
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posted March 13, 2008 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LL2L ~

It’s an absolutely lovely sunny early-Spring day, and the Libran Moderator doesn’t mind huffy posts and isn't offended :-D

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I didn't know this forum has give and take rule.
It doesn’t.
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I thought in life everyone should give unconditionally and not hold back
And in a perfect world this is a fabulous ideal. Do you live in one??
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Regulars can give but expecting that novoice is going to be able to actually participate in things which they have no idea about.
Why shouldn’t novices participate?? Why not ask questions and express thoughts/interpretations?? Why shouldn’t we regulars expect that, as this is an astrology FORUM where we share views and knowledge. Even if you’re a novice, you can read up on Pluto, for instance, and then bring your understanding here, and share that understanding with others to see if it can be expanded upon or new insights can be gained.
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OR write their thoughts when regulars will just jump on and make it sound as if you can't say that on this forum.
Did this happen to you at some point and you’re still upset about it (perhaps that "Cancerians" post)??
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I thought one should give selflessly
imho, Life is all about balance (and not just for Librans). In my own case, I have to balance spending hours "giving selflessly" at LL with single-motherhood, a full-time job, an elderly mother in a nursing home, taking care of house/car/yard/errands, and maybe even eating, sleeping and seeing friends from time to time too :-D
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I disagree someone just giving because they are expecting something back. Life isn't business.
What is it you think the more advanced astro students are “expecting to get back” from the newbies?? It’s not about novices somehow “paying back” to those regulars the benefit of the replies/interpretations of the regulars who’ve progressed further. Show me that you’re serious about studying the art/science of Astrology, and I will give you everything I know. For Free
What it *IS* about, and where I was supporting Nightjar’s POV, is being a little suspicious of people who come here SOLELY looking for free astrological chart interpretations INSTEAD of 1) getting a paid report, or 2) trying to study and learn so they can do the interpretation themselves. And even in a perfect world I suspect there will still be “business,” perhaps called “barter,” or trading value for like value…..
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Every scientist needs a guniea pigs so does astrolger needs charts to read to and research on.
Of course!! But even if you are independently wealthy and/or unemployed with 24 hours of the day to call your own, I don’t see how it would be possible to unconditionally, selflessly answer all the requests for help and interpretations here. We choose who we wish to respond to, based on our own personal feelings, and the amount of time we have to invest. It takes me more than a couple minutes to set up a new chart, look it over, write down some notes, think about how the aspects play out, and then formulate and write a response to the poster. I'm sure others can do it much more quickly than myself.

I hope ripley enjoys her studies – in the beginning Astrology is so exciting!! The study of oneself and other people, and why we do what we do, is endlessly fascinating ;-)) What I would like to see – my dream – is for ripley and other novices like her to study and do charts and get good at it, then she/they can help the next generation of newbies, just as the regulars helped me when I was a noob…..
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BTW I am not a new bie I have been past 5 years but I don't post unless I need to.
You said yourself, livelife2learn, you’ve been here for 5 years….. just soaking up the results of other peoples’ efforts?? I can’t help but wonder how much you’ve selflessly, unconditionally given back or passed along in exchange for all the free knowledge you’ve gotten the advantage of….. have you ever given a donation to this free emporium of information (Lindaland) for all you've learned here??

And btw, there is a new Forum here called “Private Readings” where all those more-advanced students who need charts to practice on can go, to selflessly unconditionally give readings ;-))

**edit** I find it quite humorous that anyone who’s “not capable of giving back” can find fault with others who are not selflessly unconditionally giving of their time and effort ;-D

Zala

blue moon ~

Thumbsup and **wink** ;-))

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posted March 14, 2008 01:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
livelife2learn,

Right on!!

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I didn't know this forum has give and take rule.
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It doesn’t.

I just wanted to know that. You have said it all.I don't need to argue anymore on that.

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Why shouldn’t novices participate?? Why not ask questions and express thoughts/interpretations?? Why shouldn’t we regulars expect that, as this is an astrology FORUM where we share views and knowledge. Even if you’re a novice, you can read up on Pluto, for instance, and then bring your understanding here, and share that understanding with others to see if it can be expanded upon or new insights can be gained.
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I completely agree with you people should ask questions but when those questions are stupid and made to look we are ignorant that is the problem for me.
It is welcoming site but have tried to ask questions and in return what I get as Answers A)Post Ignored, B) THIS QUESTION IS REPETITIVE and this happened on my last post by yourself so there is evidence and C) List of links

Wait a minute if I actually wanted to get list of Websites I would have just googled it.


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Did this happen to you at some point and you’re still upset about it (perhaps that "Cancerians" post)??

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Quiet Often I am afraid. Don't judge me from my post.

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I have to balance spending hours "giving selflessly" at LL with single-motherhood, a full-time job, an elderly mother in a nursing home, taking care of house/car/yard/errands, and maybe even eating, sleeping and seeing friends from time to time too :-D

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I do appreciate what you do here and in your private life.I am sure you are strong person.I don't do half of the things you do in your life. I might not have as many responsibilities as you have and I should say you are doing great job. I just have problem you discouraging from people to participate rather than encouraging.You even sound as if you don't want other astrologer to look at other people's chart. I could be wrong but that's what I could gather.

You do not want people to ask silly questions when learning is all about that.

You know what is more important in your life rather than being bitter and if you really can't balance all then let it go.

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What is it you think the more advanced astro students are “expecting to get back” from the newbies?? It’s not about novices somehow “paying back” to those regulars the benefit of the replies/interpretations of the regulars who’ve progressed further. Show me that you’re serious about studying the art/science of Astrology, and I will give you everything I know. For Free
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You answered your question yourself....DOH

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What it *IS* about, and where I was supporting Nightjar’s POV, is being a little suspicious of people who come here SOLELY looking for free astrological chart interpretations INSTEAD of 1) getting a paid report, or 2) trying to study and learn so they can do the interpretation themselves. And even in a perfect world I suspect there will still be “business,” perhaps called “barter,” or trading value for like value…..
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Well I would suggest on that LL should make chart interpretation with charges and it is all free website. Put a small fee so people know it exists and then they know what they are asking will charge. It is much better than somebody have it back of their mind and do it without heart. With money they will feel rewarded about their efforts.


Secondly it is very different getting formatted computerised report than more personal report. Sometimes you have learnt something you can share and sometimes you look at chart and might not be able to see what other people see. So when I do my chart I might see few things but as my lack of knowledge or in influence of feelings I might not see what others might see.
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Show me that you’re serious about studying the art/science of Astrology, and I will give you everything I know.
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Of course!! But even if you are independently wealthy and/or unemployed with 24 hours of the day to call your own, I don’t see how it would be possible to unconditionally, selflessly answer all the requests for help and interpretations here. We choose who we wish to respond to, based on our own personal feelings, and the amount of time we have to invest. It takes me more than a couple minutes to set up a new chart, look it over, write down some notes, think about how the aspects play out, and then formulate and write a response to the poster. I'm sure others can do it much more quickly than myself.
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Dear Zala, Dearest Zala,

I agree with you.

You have taken too many responsibilities and you thought that all the charts need to be interpreted by you. I never said I want you to personally interpret charts. If anyone who is more than willing to why do you have problem with that.

Ofcourse there are regulars who get along with few and few like me who come here but I didn't actually built relationship with anyone or kept in regular contacts with them so it is very less likely my chart will be ever interpreted.

No what I am against is that whole idea that one shouldn't interpret a new bie chart as they go away. They will come back when they want to and I think that is their free will.

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You said yourself, livelife2learn, you’ve been here for 5 years….. just soaking up the results of other peoples’ efforts?? I can’t help but wonder how much you’ve selflessly, unconditionally given back or passed along in exchange for all the free knowledge you’ve gotten the advantage of….. have you ever given a donation to this free emporium of information (Lindaland) for all you've learned here??
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Zala you are making assumptions without knowing when I was here and what I posted and how much did I give. I have created post and given my knowledge when I thought it is appropriate however I have been stopped by posting stupid questions or my answers aren't typically great.None of my personal charts have been interpreted.
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….. have you ever given a donation to this free emporium of information (Lindaland) for all you've learned here??
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I honestly always thought that this was free site and there could be advertisement banners could be bought.I have never thought about giving donation as I was unaware.You can even charge for membership. Why do I start feeling that you want to make this site commercialised and I will be glad if you made that known rather than making people feel guilty about using this forum with small fee.
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*edit** I find it quite humorous that anyone who’s “not capable of giving back” can find fault with others who are not selflessly unconditionally giving of their time and effort ;-D
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I am not complaining about that at all.A person isn't capable of giving because they aren't knowledgable enough or capable enough. It isn't because they have no intentions of that as per OP too.Nobody is finding fault here if you are so worried about yourself.Not whole post was actually aimed at you just first bit.

It is when somebody can give but don't want to give it is there choice.I am just saying the expectation is wrong.If they were equal and had similar circumstances then you have all right to ask for something back. However most of the time expecting to even out makes us sad,unhappy and bitter.It is very difficult not to expect.
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And btw, there is a new Forum here called “Private Readings” where all those more-advanced students who need charts to practice on can go, to selflessly unconditionally give readings ;-))
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I didn't know about that earlier. Aha so I am left bit confused so you are encouraging free private chart readings but you so wish that they were paid. I do not disagree it is materialistic world.We don't live in perfect world. We all have needs which need to be fulfilled however some are honest about it and some are sneaky about it.It is hypocrisy which gets me more than anything else.
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posted March 15, 2008 10:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I may be so bold.

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It doesn’t [has give and take rule].

I just wanted to know that. You have said it all.I don't need to argue anymore on that.

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I just wanted to know that. You have said it all.I don't need to argue anymore on that.

I completely agree with you people should ask questions but when those questions are stupid and made to look we are ignorant that is the problem for me.
It is welcoming site but have tried to ask questions and in return what I get as Answers A)Post Ignored, B) THIS QUESTION IS REPETITIVE and this happened on my last post by yourself so there is evidence and C) List of links

Wait a minute if I actually wanted to get list of Websites I would have just googled it.

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Did this happen to you at some point and you’re still upset about it (perhaps that "Cancerians" post)??

Quiet Often I am afraid. Don't judge me from my post.

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I have to balance spending hours "giving selflessly" at LL with single-motherhood, a full-time job, an elderly mother in a nursing home, taking care of house/car/yard/errands, and maybe even eating, sleeping and seeing friends from time to time too :-D

I do appreciate what you do here and in your private life.I am sure you are strong person.I don't do half of the things you do in your life. I might not have as many responsibilities as you have and I should say you are doing great job. I just have problem you discouraging from people to participate rather than encouraging.You even sound as if you don't want other astrologer to look at other people's chart. I could be wrong but that's what I could gather.

You do not want people to ask silly questions when learning is all about that.

You know what is more important in your life rather than being bitter and if you really can't balance all then let it go.

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What is it you think the more advanced astro students are “expecting to get back” from the newbies?? It’s not about novices somehow “paying back” to those regulars the benefit of the replies/interpretations of the regulars who’ve progressed further. Show me that you’re serious about studying the art/science of Astrology, and I will give you everything I know. For Free

You answered your question yourself....DOH

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What it *IS* about, and where I was supporting Nightjar’s POV, is being a little suspicious of people who come here SOLELY looking for free astrological chart interpretations INSTEAD of 1) getting a paid report, or 2) trying to study and learn so they can do the interpretation themselves. And even in a perfect world I suspect there will still be “business,” perhaps called “barter,” or trading value for like value…..

Well I would suggest on that LL should make chart interpretation with charges and it is all free website. Put a small fee so people know it exists and then they know what they are asking will charge. It is much better than somebody have it back of their mind and do it without heart. With money they will feel rewarded about their efforts.

Secondly it is very different getting formatted computerised report than more personal report. Sometimes you have learnt something you can share and sometimes you look at chart and might not be able to see what other people see. So when I do my chart I might see few things but as my lack of knowledge or in influence of feelings I might not see what others might see.

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Show me that you’re serious about studying the art/science of Astrology, and I will give you everything I know.


Sometimes to be great student isn't enough one also needs a great teacher who is patient and understanding.Ability to encourage to learn no student is going to learn if you are going to discourage.Even any interest one would have would be gone.

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Of course!! But even if you are independently wealthy and/or unemployed with 24 hours of the day to call your own, I don’t see how it would be possible to unconditionally, selflessly answer all the requests for help and interpretations here. We choose who we wish to respond to, based on our own personal feelings, and the amount of time we have to invest. It takes me more than a couple minutes to set up a new chart, look it over, write down some notes, think about how the aspects play out, and then formulate and write a response to the poster. I'm sure others can do it much more quickly than myself.

Dear Zala, Dearest Zala,

I agree with you.

You have taken too many responsibilities and you thought that all the charts need to be interpreted by you. I never said I want you to personally interpret charts. If anyone who is more than willing to why do you have problem with that.

Of course there are regulars who get along with few and few like me who come here but I didn't actually built relationship with anyone or kept in regular contacts with them so it is very less likely my chart will be ever interpreted.

No what I am against is that whole idea that one shouldn't interpret a new bie chart as they go away. They will come back when they want to and I think that is their free will.

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You said yourself, livelife2learn, you’ve been here for 5 years….. just soaking up the results of other peoples’ efforts?? I can’t help but wonder how much you’ve selflessly, unconditionally given back or passed along in exchange for all the free knowledge you’ve gotten the advantage of….. have you ever given a donation to this free emporium of information (Lindaland) for all you've learned here??

Zala you are making assumptions without knowing when I was here and what I posted and how much did I give. I have created post and given my knowledge when I thought it is appropriate however I have been stopped by posting stupid questions or my answers aren't typically great.None of my personal charts have been interpreted.

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... have you ever given a donation to this free emporium of information (Lindaland) for all you've learned here??

I honestly always thought that this was free site and there could be advertisement banners could be bought.I have never thought about giving donation as I was unaware.You can even charge for membership. Why do I start feeling that you want to make this site commercialised and I will be glad if you made that known rather than making people feel guilty about using this forum with small fee.

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*edit** I find it quite humorous that anyone who’s “not capable of giving back” can find fault with others who are not selflessly unconditionally giving of their time and effort ;-D

I am not complaining about that at all.A person isn't capable of giving because they aren't knowledgable enough or capable enough. It isn't because they have no intentions of that as per OP too.Nobody is finding fault here if you are so worried about yourself.Not whole post was actually aimed at you just first bit.

It is when somebody can give but don't want to give it is there choice.I am just saying the expectation is wrong.If they were equal and had similar circumstances then you have all right to ask for something back. However most of the time expecting to even out makes us sad,unhappy and bitter.It is very difficult not to expect.

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And btw, there is a new Forum here called “Private Readings” where all those more-advanced students who need charts to practice on can go, to selflessly unconditionally give readings ;-))

I didn't know about that earlier. Aha so I am left bit confused so you are encouraging free private chart readings but you so wish that they were paid. I do not disagree it is materialistic world.We don't live in perfect world. We all have needs which need to be fulfilled however some are honest about it and some are sneaky about it.It is hypocrisy which gets me more than anything else.

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