posted March 12, 2008 02:03 PM            

I have Sun,Mercury,Venus in Scorpio with Virgo Ascendant and Moon in Pisces.

We don't have those issues. We have an overall harmonious synastry when it comes to actual aspects

There might have been some significant challenging aspects in your synastry with those watersign guys. It's hard for me to fathom that a gal with both moon and ascendant in watersigns would have problems connecting with watersign sun men. My girlfriend with both moon and ascendant in watersigns doesn't have that problem with me.

free will is also the ultimate factor too.

natal charts by themselves should also be taken into account.

Is your Sun in a close square to your Moon?

the composite chart would also give insights into why relationships are problematic.

posted March 12, 2008 02:05 PM            

Fire puts out water, but as a combination it is also steam.

Plenty of material about on the net about this but what about this one, which is quite detailed:
http://astrology.about.com/od/foundations/p/FireElement.htm

Fire and Water: Fire's greatest gift is being able to inspire, and this appeals to Water's desire for meaning. A generous Fire person shows Water how to be in the moment, even if they're carrying lots of psychological baggage. Water takes Fire on an emotional journey that helps them see how they're related to others. At its worst and most out of balance, Fire can zap Water by being totally overwhelming and Water smothers Fire when it offers only insular, claustrophobic intimacy.

Fire and Earth: Sometimes Fire has lots of visionary ideas that Earth can help put into tangible form. This can make pragmatic Earth feel needed and appreciated, not to mention that Fire's enthusiasm is contagious. If Earth becomes too slow and plodding for Fire, this match could get snagged in frustration. Through Earth's eyes, Fire may seem unrealistic and unwilling to do the legwork to make things happen.

posted March 12, 2008 02:05 PM            

The Fire Element in Astrology:
When the fire element is present, there's a warm radiance, a trust in life's journey and a willingness to take risks. Any party or celebration is made better with the presence of a fully-charged up fire sign. They're great catalysts for play, and liable to unearth the spontaneous side of those around them. Because they sense a golden thread of destiny and potential running through their own lives, they have a knack for leading others to theirs.

Fire signs act on instinct or "sixth sense," and that makes them look reckless to more cautious types. They're actually following a powerful intuition that keeps them at the leading edge of fresh experiences.

Fire is infused with the divine spark, and this can spread like wildfire to everyone around them. They've got a lust for life that is enviable. Those that are weighted down might try to toss a wet blanket on their enthusiasm, so Fire must vigilantly guard its beacon. It's important for them to have cheerleaders to fan the flames of their interests.

But Fire that thinks only of itself learns the wisdom of the other elements the hard way. They'll keep coming up against resistance, until there is willingness to see there are no short cuts. Each of the other elements has something to offer, and in return, Fire gives off a glow that is as nourishing as the rays of the Sun.

posted March 12, 2008 02:31 PM            

That could indicate problems with the opposite sex which could be connected to the parents having problems getting along at the time of birth. Sun square Moon can indicate the ego,identity in conflict with the emotional nature,feelings.

So maybe with Moon squaring Sun which has to do the men in your life, you might draw in men that you perceive as overly emotional,sensitive.

posted March 12, 2008 02:47 PM            

You got me very curious

BTW...There are watersign people that I didn't get along with

I had an abusive relationship with my mother. She and I just don't get along for a long time. she has Ascendant,Mercury,Venus,Jupiter,and Uranus in Cancer along with Moon and Saturn in Scorpio even though she has Sun in Gemini but that Gemini Sun is in 12th house,trine Neptune and sextile Pluto.....so even her Sun has a watery influence.

I didn't do well with watersign Sun women either even though I am strong Watersign person

it's just people being people. doesn't matter what the element count is in their chart.

posted March 12, 2008 03:05 PM            

do they have strong Uranus(not referring to Aquarius,but Uranus aspects) and Neptune influence(not referring to Pisces,but Neptune aspects)

a challenged Uranus can indicate a person who is erratic,unpredictable

posted March 12, 2008 03:47 PM            

My main elements are Earth and Air. Water is only represented by the Rising sign, and the I.C sign. I get on fine with people with strong Water charts but that doesn't mean I would want to live with them, or even date them.

In a layperson's terms that would be expressed as maybe it isn't a good idea for me to have a close relationship with someone who is very emotional or sensitive.

It's a generalisation. There could be a specific person whose chart clicks with mine to make great chemistry.

That's where the detail Glacus is pointing to comes into the picture. And I am inclined to agree with him that aspects are the most profitable place to look if you are examining why specific relationships didn't work or did work.

posted March 12, 2008 03:58 PM            

That's why I don't like using those synastry charts at astro.com

also....how is their unpredictability Neptunian? I am just curious.

if its being changeable....that could be the mutable.

people with strong mutable emphasis tend ti be very changeable.....the keyword for mutable is adapt.

posted March 12, 2008 04:40 PM            

I will check out the charts in Solar Fire program.

posted March 12, 2008 05:07 PM            

the first dude has a close t-square of Neptune square Sun-Saturn opposition(also Neptune oppose Sun/Saturn midpoint with 22 minutes of arc)

that dude has a challenged Neptune.....so it would sense that he wouldn't know what he wants.....because he's hard to pin down
It's a mutable t-square too,and so its very changeable and can be very unstable. Also the t-square is in cadent houses too which correspond with the mutable signs...so even more changeable and unstable
hard Saturn-Neptune involved in t-square can indicate possible problems with insecurity.
He also has Venus sesquiquadrate Neptune with 1 degree,and that can indicate possible confusion and uncertainty in relationships

I am similar for I have a t-square of Moon in Pisces in 6th,Neptune in 3rd like that guy,and Saturn in Gemini in 9th.....so I have a mutable,cadent t-square like your exboyfriend
I am definitely very changeable and have a history instability as well as being very hard to pin down,confusing, and I have always felt misunderstood.

but I feel the main stuff is the aspects.....sure enough, your exbf's has a challenged Neptune just like me.
He also has Mars square Uranus,and that indicates being unpredictable actions.

I also looked at midpoints:

His Neptune conjunct Mercury/Ascendant midpoint - '56
uncertainty,confusion,hard to pin down in communications with others

His Mars oppose Venus/Neptune midpoint - '06
uncertainty,confusion,hard to pin down in his sexual,romantic relationships

His Node conjunct Venus/Neptune midpoint - '29
uncertainty,confusion,hard to pin down in his romantic,love connections

His Moon squares Mars/Neptune midpoint - '08
uncertainty,confusion,hard to pin down in his feelings,passions and connection with women

His Moon squares Neptune/Node midpoint - '09
uncertainty,confusion,hard to pin down in regards to his feelings and connection with women

His Mercury square Uranus/Neptune midpoint - '47 minutes of arc
uncertainty,confusion,hard to pin down,instability,unpredictability in his communications,thought processes

I also check his planetary nodes:

His Mercury is square North Uranus Node - 1'09
that's unpredictability,instability in his communications,thought processes

His Moon is sesquiquate North Uranus Node with 1 minute of arc
that's unpredictability,instability in his emotions,feelings, and with women

It seems that it's a lot more than just his being a Pisces,watersign that's the issue

His planetary geometry shows considerable uncertainty,unpredictability

posted March 12, 2008 05:25 PM              

My own experience with the WATER-FIRE-combo is also opposite to yours ;-): I tend to fall for fire signs again and again - and I get along with them very well. It's especially the LEOS - my first boyfriend ever was a cat - as well as my "long lasting" boyfriend, with whom I was together for almost a decade - and my current love is a LEO again! (Believe me: I didn't choose him for that reason, since at the beginning, I didn't even know his sun sign!;-))

Yes - water and fire have different tempers. But since I have this dichotomy inside myself (like you) ... I can cope with it quite well. Even more: I find these fire people so inspiring! They spur me on to be and give my best, not to hang lose - and I like that! (My best gilfriend is an Aries, three other female friends are Saggitarius - so there's FIRE all over my private circle.)

I honestly believe that water and fire together can produce the STEAM that is essential for a lively relationship.

I could NEVER imagine to love another water-sun-sign-person, though. Maaayyyybe a Scorpio ... but no Cancer (thanks, I am one myself, hard enough) ... and certainly no Pisces - in that point I agree with you to 100%. (they get on my nerves with their manipulations, emotional blackmail and selfish introvertedness?)

I get along well (and sometimes also "flirty") with the Earth signs, had a serious relationship with a Capricorn and some chrushes on Virgos.

posted March 12, 2008 05:38 PM            

He has Moon conjunct Neptune - 4'20 orb
there can be possibile feelings of confusion,uncertainty, feelings can be hard to pin down

He has Venus square Uranus - 3'13 orb
that indicates unpredictable love nature and be unstable in his affections
just looking at that aspect makes me think that he's not the type to settle down and be committed

He has Mercury square Uranus with 44 minutes of arc
that indicates that he has unpredictable mental activity as well as can be in his unpredictable in his communications with others....could even shock people by the things that he says

midpoints:

His Uranus is conjunct Neptune/Ascendant midpoint - '27
that indicates instability,uncertainty in himself and relationships with others

His Mars oppose Venus/Uranus midpoint - '3
that indicates unpredictability,instability in his sexual,romantic relationships

His Sun oppose Uranus/Midheaven midpoint - 1'00
that indicates his being an unpredictable person

His Neptune squares Venus/Jupiter midpoint - '24
confusion,uncertainty,idealism involving his lovelife.....possible grandiosity

His Jupiter square Sun/Neptune midpoint - '35
confusion,uncertainty,idealism....possible grandiosity

His Neptune squares Moon/Mars midpoint - 1'10
uncertainty,confusion,hard to pin down in his feelings,passions and connection with women
(similar to the first dude)

His Pluto square Mercury/Neptune midpoint - '27
intensity,uncertainty in communications

His planetary nodes:

Moon oppose North Uranus Node - 1'28
that's unpredictability,instability in his emotions,feelings, and with women
(similar to the first dude)

This dude's planetary geometry shows is a great deal of uncertainty,unpredictability too

posted March 12, 2008 06:11 PM            

I checked out the synastry, and let me say.....ummm.

I am doing first guy's chart

things that I see can indicate problems

His Mercury squares your Sun - 1'08
that indicates his communications is in friction,conflict with your self expression...this can indicate significant communication problems

His Uranus parallels your Mars - '05 (parallels are similar to conjunctions)
that indicates his unpredictability merges with your passions......that can be an unstable activity

His Neptune parallels your Sun - '06 (parallels are similar to conjunctions)
that indicates his idealism,imagination merges with your ego,self expression......there is a possibility of lack of clarity between you two....so there can be confusion,deception

His Neptune quincunx your Ascendant - '30
that indicates his idealism,imagination is strain with your personality.........there is a possiblity of lack of clarity between you two....so there can be confusion,deception

His Pluto squares your Venus - 1'05
that indicates his intensity is in friction,confict with your love nature.....there could be power,control,trust,jealousy,possessive issues in the relationship

His Pluto squares your Ascendant - 1'59
that indicates his intensity is in friction,conflict with your personality.....there could be power,control,trust issues
(I usually don't use this orb for a Pluto aspect, but you have Venus oppose Ascendant, and his Pluto squares that aspect.....that's why I included the aspect.)

His Ascendant squares your Mercury - 4'02 orb
that indicates his personality is in friction,conflict with your communications.....so there can be communication problems

His Lunar Nodes square your Lunar Nodes - 1'45
that indicates his karmic patterns are in conflict with your karmic patterns