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posted March 19, 2008 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was just wondering if anyone has any information or links on midpoints what they mean and there significance. Thank You!

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posted March 19, 2008 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Midpoints are the halfway point between two points. When astrologers talk about the Sun/Moon midpoint, for example, they are referring to the point halfway between the Sun and the Moon. To illustrate with a simple example, if the Sun is at 10 degrees Aries and the Moon is at 20 degrees Aries, the Sun/Moon midpoint is 15 degrees Aries. See our article, How to Calculate the Sun/Moon Midpoint, for the method to calculate any midpoint (not just Sun/Moon).

Midpoints can be calculated for any chart--whether it's a natal chart, transit chart, progressed chart, composite chart, and so forth. They reveal further information about a chart. Because there are many midpoints to calculate, and thus quite a bit of information to take in, it's easiest when you have a computerized list of midpoints in a given chart, particularly if the list is sorted into zodiacal order.

Astrologers generally consider hard aspects to midpoints as relevant. The hard aspect set includes the conjunction, opposition, and square, as well as the semi-square (45 degrees) and sesquiquadrature (135 degrees). Calculation programs that offer midpoint "trees", showing planets and points that form hard aspects to midpoints, are ideal.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrologytopics/midpoints.html
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/midpoints.html
http://www.astrocollege.com/campus/libraries/Midpoints_X--Munkasey.pdf
http://members.tripod.com/%7Ejunojuno2/mini.htm
http://www.starscan.plus.com/untimed%20charts/untimed_charts_midpoints.html


some astrologers prefer to use 1 degree for all midpoints because of solar arcs as 1 degree = 1 year in the Solar Arc method.

some astrologers use 1 1/2 degrees for direct midpoints and 1 degree for indirect midpoints

some astrologers use 1 1/2 degrees for midpoint pictures that involve the Sun,Moon,Ascendant,and Midheaven and 1 degree for the rest.

many midpoint pictures correspond with harmonic triangles like grand trines,t-squares,minor grand trines,yods, and even aspects that involve minor aspects.

It's the planetary geometry. The geometric oriented types of Astrology like Cosmobiology,Uranian Astrology,and Magi Astrology use tighter orb aspects than traditional because they focus on harmonic triangles and corresponding midpoint pictures as well as other midpoint pictures.

I have studied Uranian Astrology,and they use 22.5 degree series aspects,and they seem relevant too. One degree orb is used.


an example......I have a t-square of Moon square Saturn-Neptune opposition,and I have a corresponding midpoint picture of Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint - '17

a minor harmonic example...I have Mercury-Uranus-Ascendant 11th harmonic triangle,and I have a corresponding midpoint picture of Uranus conjunct Mercury/Ascendant midpoint - '36

declination midpoints are used in Cosmobiology and Magi Astrology.


Information on declination midpoints:
http://www.solsticepoint.com/SSP1296.htm


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posted March 19, 2008 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Glaucus.. I was originally going to ask you but I thought I would leave it open to anyone..

Do you notice how they effect you or manifest in your life? is there certain good combos to have?

I already have a list of all my midpoints generated from clairvision. and so far I have only tooken notice to conjunctions with midpoints and the personal planet placements

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posted March 19, 2008 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can relate to my midpoint pictures and some of them are connected to harmonic triangles including one golden section triangle.

Midpoints involving Jupiter without the involvement of aspects of Saturn and Outerplanets are often seen as very favorable

I have Venus conjunct Sun/Jupiter with 2 minutes of arc. Jupiter conjunct Moon/Ascendant midpoint with 2 minutes of arc

Jupiter/Pluto midpoint is supposed to be connected to wealth.

I have Sun conjunct Jupiter/Pluto midpoint with 46 minutes of arc,but I am not rich yet. hahahaa. It can also indicate somebody can be very resourceful, mentally and/or physically as well as good regeneration.


I used conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,and sesquiquadrate with midpoints.

When I did the golden section charts and saw golden section triangles, they all had corresponding midpoint pictures...some included conjunction,some included opposition, some included square,some included semisquare,and some included sesquiquadrate which confirmed to me that all the 8th harmonic series are valid.

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posted March 19, 2008 12:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
does anyone know if it is the midpoint person who affects the other person or the planetary person who affects the midpoint person?

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posted March 19, 2008 12:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a handy tool for calculating midpoints and transits to your midpoints - since i know they can be devastating to calculate by hand!
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Others/Home-Education/Midpoint.shtml

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posted March 19, 2008 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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does anyone know if it is the midpoint person who affects the other person or the planetary person who affects the midpoint person?

Could potentially be either.

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Do you notice how they effect you or manifest in your life?

I've seen transits to midpoints have an effect. Not only in my life, but I recently suggested that another person check for a specific transit to a midpoint, and they found the transit was happening and was probably the reason for the intensity in that one area of her life.

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posted March 19, 2008 04:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Acoustic God, That is what I mean, I am asking about this because of progressions, solar arc ect... It may indicate someone is lying or that thier feelings are hidden. I guess the only way to truely know is to look at the aspects and if they affect any other midpoints. We both want clarity about a situation I'm just not sure if mine is the same as his.

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posted March 19, 2008 04:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, if you have a planet on thier midpoint natally will this always be in effect or will it only come into play when there is a progression ect...?

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posted March 19, 2008 05:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not a midpoint fan. Consider determining romantic compatibility of two people using the midpoint method. Essentially one chart is created determining the midpoints between two planets - if someone is a Geminii and another person is a Leo, the midpoint is probably somewhere in Cancer. I've heard that this is the compromise. However if these two people are not "Cancerian" why bring this up as an alternative. In my view, people need to focus on the positve traits of their planets/house/etc. and bring change or healing to the negative traits. I'm more in favor of synastry here.

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posted March 19, 2008 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In a composite chart, the resultant chart is the chart of the relationship, so it does make sense that two sextile signs like Gemini and Leo could have a Cancerian (Cardinal/initiatory, security-oriented, family-oriented, nurturing) relationship. The two people don't have to be Cancerian on their own. They're only Cancerian as a team.

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Also, if you have a planet on thier midpoint natally will this always be in effect or will it only come into play when there is a progression ect...?

I think it would be in effect. Test it. If it is, then you'll have your answer.

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posted March 19, 2008 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Also, if you have a planet on thier midpoint natally will this always be in effect or will it only come into play when there is a progression ect...?"

Midpoint astrologers believe that it's similar to regular synastry, and so that midpoint connections will always be in effect.

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posted March 19, 2008 08:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do work with midpoints - but I apply some strict rules to that - so that I don't get TOO confuse. I only look at conjunctions or oppositions to Midpoints, I neglect all the other aspects and configurations. I guess, conjunctions and oppositions have the strongest effect - if a planet and/or Midpoint DIRECTLY touch each other or stand "face to face". I also apply a tight orb (0-2 dg.)

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posted March 20, 2008 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am considering using a 1 degree orb for conjunction,square,opposition,semisquare,and sesquiquadrate for midpoints.

I am a believer in astrogenetics. I am noticing shared midpoint configurations in my family, and they apply to all the aforementioned aspects.

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