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Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 5819 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009	posted March 19, 2008 11:23 AM I decided to check out Eris during the time that the first African slaves were traded to the English colonists in Jamestown,Virginia by the Dutch. They were the cargo that originally belong to the Portuguese who were the Europeans that started and dominated the Tranatlantic slave trade. I used the asteroids 11207 Black,1193 Africa,6391 Africano,8766 Niger for pertaining to Black/African American. asteroids 10730 White,4478 Blanco for pertaining to White/European American asteroid 3933 Portugal for the Portuguese asteroid 1132 Hollandia for the Dutch asteroid 3811 Karma for Karma African American Slavery Aug 30 1619 10:15AM Jamestown Virginia Marc Penfield This is the astrological representation of the moment when the first shipment of African slaves were offloaded at Jamestown, Virginia. The chart itself is based on the research of well known Mundane Astrologer Marc Penfield, seen in the book "Astrology Looks at History", edited by Noel Tyl, 1995, in the chapter called, "Lincoln, The South & Slavery". http://muminspeaks.blogspot.com/2007/02/question-of-street-cred-obamas.html Mu'Min Bey calls it the chart representing Black America. When he does charts pertaining to Black America,he checks out synastry,transits to the Black America chart. That's what he did with Barack Obama in his blog entry above. Sun in 6'44 Virgo in 11th Africa in 7'43 Cancer in 9th Neptune in 8'09 Libra in 11th Midheaven in 9'43 Leo Eris in 11'14 Gemini in 8th Venus in 11'32 Leo in 10th Karma in 12'07 Leo in 10th Pluto in 12'26 Taurus Retrograde in 7th North Lunar Node in 12'28 Capricorn in 3rd/South Lunar Node in 9th Africa in 12'43 Cancer in 9th Ceres in 12'46 Capricorn Retrograde in 3rd Jupiter in 13'21 Aries Retrograde in 6th Mars in 14'22 Scorpio in 1st Moon in 14'22 Taurus in 7th Niger in 15'15 Pisces Retrograde in 5th Uranus in 26'21 Cancer in 9th Blanco in 26'64 Leo in 10thChiron in 28'35 Aquarius Retrograde in 4th Hollandia in 27'44 Leo in 10th Minor Aspects: Eris biquintile Ascendant - '53 Uranus semisquare Eris - '08 Africano sesquiquadrate Chiron - '52 Niger biquintile Midheaven - '29 Mars biquintile Portugal - '29 Portugal sesquiquadrate Ascendant - '32 Jupiter square Ceres - '35 Jupiter semisquare Chiron - '15 Ceres semisquare Chiron - '49 (8th harmonic Triangle) Mars biquintile Saturn - '58 Mars quintile White - '05 Saturn quintile White - '53 (5th Harmonic Triangle) I couldn't help comparing my chart to the Black America chart because of my Black ancestry from my father's side. I am part Portuguese from my maternal grandfather whose father changed the surname from Andrade to Andrews. I feel that the reason that I was born from an interracial relationship between a white woman and black man was to easily learn the lessons of racial tolerance,interracial harmony as well as my belief in unity and universal love which I feel is reflected by my Moon in Pisces which I feel that I inherited from my father and my maternal grandfather. Of course, I defy the "pick one box" rule,and so I refuse to embrace the one drop Black rule which NAACP is all for. Black America's Eris in 11'14 Gemini in my 10th: conjunct my Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini sextile my Africa in 11'15 Aries Retrograde in 8th sextile my Eris in 12'15 Aries Retrograde in 8th Interesting note: Sabian Symbol for 12 Gemini is A BLACK SLAVE-GIRL DEMANDS HER RIGHTS OF HER MISTRESS Keywords: Rising above conditioning and limitations. Standing up for one's self. Demanding better treatment. Seeking Recognition and self-respect. Being in chart one's life. Breaking away from oppression. Wanting a raise in pay or conditions. The need for freedom. Desiring property and rewards. Rising up from an "underdog position" position or situation. The quest for identity. The Caution: Feeling hard done by. Being demanding. Blaming others. Bucking authority. Demanding to be recognized or noticed. Feeling used and abused. Oppression and slavery. Jealousy and envy. Exploitation. It seems to me that Sabian Symbol Degree could pertain to civil/equal rights matters, advocacy(standing up for one's self and others),Affirmative Action,Reparations,Race Relations Black America's Venus in 11'32 Leo and Karma in 12'07 Leo in my 11th: conjunct my South Lunar Node in 10'29 Leo in 11th oppose my North Lunar Node in 10'29 Aquarius in 5th trine my Eris in 12'15 Aries Retrograde in 8th trine my Africano in 12'37 Aries Retrograde in 8th trine my Africa in 11'15 Aries Retrograde in 8th trine my Chiron 10'32 Aries Retrograde in 8th Black America's Ascendant in 4'21 Scorpio in my 2nd conjunct my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd conjunct my True Black Moon Lilith in 5'42 Scorpio in 2nd trine my Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th Black America's Midheaven in 9'43 Leo in my 11th conjunct my South Node in 10'29 Leo in 11th/oppose my North Node in 10'29 Aquarius in 5th oppose my Blanco in 9'39 Aquarius in 5th sextile my Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini trine my Africa in 11'15 Aries Retrograde in 8th trine my Chiron in 10'32 Aries Retrograde in 8th Black America's Sun in 6'44 Virgo in my 12th sextile my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd square my Saturn in 5'08 Gemini Retrograde in 9th oppose my Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th Black America's North Lunar Node in 12'28 Capricorn,Ceres in 12'46 CapricornCapricorn in my 4th/South Lunar Node in 12'28 Cancer and Part of Fortune in 12'00 Cancer in my 10th trine/sextile my Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo sextile/trine my Niger in 13'47 Scorpio in 3rd square my Eris in 12'15 Aries Retrograde in 8th square my Africano in 12'37 Aries Retrograde in 8th Black America's Jupiter in 13'21 Aries Retrograde in my 8th conjunct my Eris in 12'15 Aries Retrograde in 8th conjunct my Africano in 12'37 Aries Retrograde in 8th trine my Ceres in 13'57 Leo in 11th quincunx my Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo quincunx my Niger in 13'47 Scorpio in 3rd Black America's Pluto in 12'26 Taurus Retrograde in my 9th trine my Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo sextile my Niger in 13'47 Scorpio in 3rd semisextile my Eris in 12'15 Aries Retrograde in 8th semisextile my Africano in 12'37 Aries Retrograde in 8th Black America's Moon in 14'22 Taurus in my 9th, Mars in 14'22 Scorpio in my 3rd oppose/conjunct my Niger in 13'47 Scorpio in 3rd conjunct/oppose my Part of Fortune in 15'37 Taurus in 9th trine/sextile my Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo trine/sextile my Hollandia in 14'23 Virgo in 1st square my Ceres in 13'57 Leo in my 11th square my Vertex in 14'59 Aquarius in my 5th square my United Nations in 15'15 Leo in my 11th Black America's Uranus in 26'21 Cancer in my 11th: square my Portugal in 26'19 Aries Retrograde in 8th quincunx my Mars in 25'54 Aquarius in 6th quincunx my Black in 27'40 Aquarius in 6th Black America's Saturn in 21'20 Gemini in my 10th quincunx my Venus in 21'47 Scorpio in 3rd Black America's Neptune in 8'09 Libra in my 3rd sextile my Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius in 3rd Black America's White in 2'27 Virgo in my 12th oppose my Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th oppose my White in 2'49 Pisces in 6th square my Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd semisextile my Karma in 3'19 Libra in 1st Black America's Black in 1'46 Cancer in my 10th trine my White in 2'49 Pisces in 6th trine my Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th square my Pluto in 0'51 Libra in 1st quincunx my Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd Black America's Blanco in 26'54 Leo and Hollandia in 27'44 Leo in my 12th oppose my Mars in 25'54 Aquarius in 6th oppose my Black in 27'40 Aquarius in 6th trine my Portugal in 26'19 Aries Retrograde in 8th Black America's Africano in 12'42 Cancer in my 10th sextile my Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo trine my Niger in 13'57 Scorpio in 3rd square my Eris in 12'15 Aries Retrograde in 8th square my Africano in 12'37 Aries Retrograde in 8th Black America's Africa in 7'42 Cancer in my 10th quincunx my Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius in 3rd Black America's Niger in 15'14 Pisces Retrograde in my 7th oppose my Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo oppose my Hollandia in 14'23 Virgo in 1st trine my Niger in 13'57 Scorpio in 3rd quincunx my Uranus in 15'17 Libra in 2nd quincunx my United Nations in 15'15 Leo in 11th Raymond Andrews IP: Logged
alanabelle86 Knowflake Posts: 81 From: Somewhere over the Rainbow... Registered: May 2009	posted March 19, 2008 05:16 PM This Chart fascinates me for a number of reasons... I am the descendant of african slaves who were subjected to slavery for at least 4 generations. Personally, I love history, and I've never ever been more passionate about anything as I am about knowing where you came from and how that affects where you're going. That said, studies of Antebellum america and the African Salve trade are #1 on my list of interests and passions...That's why this intrigued me so My Vertex is conjunct BA's Uranus exact My Moon is conjunct BA's Venus/MC/Karma 1 degree My Sun/Pluto conjunction sits on BA's Ascendant 1 degree My Mars (which rules my 4th house) sits on BA's IC less than one degree My AC is opposite BA's Eris by 1 degree My 12th house Saturn in Sag exactly squares BA's Sun Natally, I've got Africa conjunct the MC exact And I've got Black conjunct my NN 1 degree My Sun/Africa midpoint is conjunct my South Node exact Sun/Black midpoint falls directly opposite the Vertex (exact) Mars (4th ruler)/Africa falls on my Saturn in the 12th house Mars/Black is conjunct my chart ruler Jupiter in Pisces The TSquare with Venus-Mars-Pluto/Moon is also exact on my natal Tsquares, making a tremendously powerful Grand Cross ...that echoes through my succedent houses (go figure). Amazing connections... How brutal is that 1st house? Scorpio ruling, indicating not just something criminal and cruel, but very black and white, very extremist,both rulers opposed..Pluto in Taurus, something that will take lifetimes to overcome, also hinting at a purely economic system no matter how ruthless (Mars/Pluto)... conjunct the Moon (people, families, heredity)...Pluto in the 7th total destruction/oppression of other people ..Mars in the 1st house in Scorpio is given tremendous power ...makes all "hard" aspects....) ...also ruling the 6th house of servants and manual work...in Aries = violence... Ceres in Capricorn= denial, restriction in the 3rd of knowledge and at the extreme, identity... ------------------ Sagittarius AC, Sun in Scorpio, Moon in Leo IP: Logged
zanya unregistered	posted March 19, 2008 07:23 PM very interesting and informative angle Glaucus. he has some very good insights. thoughtful words ~ quote: For Whites, although many won't or can't openly admit this, Obama is attractive as a candidate because while he is Black, he isn't "too Black" - he doesn't have the connection to, and therefore, the possible feelings of resentment from, Slavery, and all that occured in the decades since. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton represent that "edge" from that past, that makes Whites very nervous about giving their vote to such a person, among other things. i had never thought of this. Obama is a bright star, who will revitalize our nation, regardless of these issues. i'm keeping a vigil for his victory. IP: Logged
Deliverance Knowflake Posts: 326 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted March 19, 2008 07:53 PM Hi all, Very interesting post! I�m just wondering, would the chart have connections to all African Americans as the majority of them are descended from slavery? How does this chart impact on West Africans, those who watched as their family were stolen from their homeland? Niger, Im not too sure about this but I was taught that the majority came from Ghana, Nigeria, the Congo & Angola. There was passege through the Niger delta, but few were taken from Niger(which is in West Africa - pronounced Nee-jeere), The slave trade is something that I have an interest in, although I�m not a direct descendant of slaves, being a West African, my ancestry is no-doubt ties up with its history. IP: Logged
alanabelle86 Knowflake Posts: 81 From: Somewhere over the Rainbow... Registered: May 2009	posted March 19, 2008 07:58 PM quote: I�m just wondering, would the chart have connections to all African Americans as the majority of them are descended from slavery? I don't know if that's an accurate statement. The reality is that a large percentage of them don't truly know where they've descended from. And so, given with this country's history, the country in which they currently reside, one can only make assumptions that they are a descendant from slavery. Only reason I knew I was is because of the "mysterious" appearance of a family tree... many years ago. It disappeared almost as soon as it showed up, but I remembered quite a bit from it. IP: Logged
alanabelle86 Knowflake Posts: 81 From: Somewhere over the Rainbow... Registered: May 2009	posted March 19, 2008 08:00 PM Edit IP: Logged
Deliverance Knowflake Posts: 326 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted March 20, 2008 05:44 AM I would agree that a large percentage of African Americans don�t know where exactly they have descended from, however the likelihood is they have descended from somewhere in Africa. Hence the name African American meaning of African decent. The major influx of Africans on American soil came during the transatlantic slave trade. It would be interesting to know if there are any other African Americans who also have connections to the chart. BTW - thanks for the clarity about Niger IP: Logged
EighthMoon Knowflake Posts: 115 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted March 20, 2008 06:11 AM Glaucus, What about progressing this chart or even "regressing" natals to compare? Alana...do you remember any of the dates/times and places of your ancestors by chance? I'm wondering if you regressed your chart to a specific year/time what the comparisons might be. 8th IP: Logged
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 5819 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009	posted March 20, 2008 06:14 AM I haven't checked that out, but that could show some good insights. IP: Logged
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 5819 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009	posted March 20, 2008 06:19 AM Alanabelle, Your synastry with Black Africa chart is amazing! I didn't think of using asteroid midpoints in the synastry. I should check that out. IP: Logged
Belage Knowflake Posts: 1333 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009	posted March 21, 2008 01:20 PM Fascinating information. Thanks Glaucus. At first, I didn't agree that this was the chart of Black America, but as I superimposed it over the Gemini rising chart of the US, it makes a lot of sense to me. Black America's first house would fall into the US' 6th house, which makes sense, as the 6th house is traditionally seen as the house of servants and slaves. Black America's Pluto would fall in the US 12th house, hence the hidden and not so hidden fears and irrationalities about blacks. Pluto is there as the dark lord, below the subconcious, like an atomic bomb ready to explode, threatening to reveal America's dirty secrets. Ha!! It's interesting that the Saturn of black America would fall in the US'first house. Saturn there would try to compel Americans to be more mature, also more self conscious. Gemini rising likes to be airy, flighty, uncommital, playful, but Saturn there would lend an air of seriousness. There is more to be said. By the way, I choose Gemini as the rising sign for the US, not Sagg as some astrologers do. I feel that 9/11 has definitely established Gemini as the correct rising sign and put the question to rest. IP: Logged
Dulce Luna Newflake Posts: 7 From: The Asylum, NC Registered: Apr 2009	posted March 21, 2008 11:53 PM quote: I would agree that a large percentage of African Americans don�t know where exactly they have descended from, however the likelihood is they have descended from somewhere in Africa. Hence the name African American meaning of African decent. DNA analysis and historians generally agree that most blacks in the America descend from the Western Portion of Africa. It makes sense too, given where Im from in the East; we were generally untouched by the Transatlantic Slave trade and really doing our business with various Asian traders. IP: Logged
MainLine ModelD unregistered	posted March 22, 2008 02:03 AM It is important to keep in mind that through slavery "Black America's" ethnicity was lost. The majority of "African-Americans" today are of a mixed ancestry, the same as Caucasians are. Also, I think that people like myself hesitate to assume all Black people are from Africa because there are several hispanic and tropical islands from which "Black" people descend from, that may look African to the general population. For example, Jamaica, Haiti, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic. I myself, am mixed with Native American and God knows what else, my grandfather had light green eyes and wavy hair. Though he would be considered "African-American" it's not really accurate, it's like saying the one drop of blood makes you black, or West African. IP: Logged
Dulce Luna Newflake Posts: 7 From: The Asylum, NC Registered: Apr 2009	posted March 22, 2008 09:32 AM quote: Also, I think that people like myself hesitate to assume all Black people are from Africa because there are several hispanic and tropical islands from which "Black" people descend from, that may look African to the general population. For example, Jamaica, Haiti, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic. Yeah, but all those people on the islands are also of African descent (from slaves). I agree with you though that the term African-American due to skin color is kind of erroneous though being that their culture is totally different from even West African culture now....never mind the East, Suth, and North. It also implies that all Africans are [totally] black which couldn't be further from the truth. IP: Logged
Deliverance Knowflake Posts: 326 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted March 22, 2008 09:34 AM "For example, Jamaica, Haiti, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic." The countries that you mention also had an influx of Africans during the slave trade. So they also have African ancestory - Im not denying or negating the mixture of other races in African Americans or Caribbeans - My main point was that African Americans are likely to have African ancestry irespective of if its 5% or 99% of Afican DNA, this therefore suggests that they decend from slavery & could have links to the African American chart. IP: Logged
Got Gemini? Knowflake Posts: 456 From: Mercury Registered: Apr 2009	posted March 22, 2008 10:38 AM The majority of slaves (85%) during the slave trade ended up in Brazil and south America. A small percentage of of the 85% ended up in the tropical islands. My father's side of my family landed here in slavery in June 1827 (I forgot which date exactly, I'll have to dig up my family tree). So i believe that most African Americans in fact, do come from african ancestry. Just like most dark skinned people, even though they sometimes don't want to admit it, have African ancestry. Racism is a nasty disease that needs curing. Unfortunately, its a nasty thing that continues to perpetuate. I'm black and I love all people. I only have problems with individuals that have a problem with me. How one "race" can think they are better than another is absolutely ridiculous and borne from insecurity and laziness of the mind. ------------------ Virgo Asc & Mars Gemini Sun Libra Moon Gemini Mercury Cancer Venus IP: Logged
Deliverance Knowflake Posts: 326 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted March 23, 2008 10:27 AM quote: Just like most dark skinned people, even though they sometimes don't want to admit it, have African ancestry. so true IP: Logged

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