posted March 20, 2008 03:35 PM              

I read through what you wrote about triangles and midpoints configuration, and I wondered about these things in a synastry.

I have one here.

Her Venus /MC semisquares his Mars (0°19) and conjuncts his Neptune (0°29).

If I look at the single aspects I get:
Her Venus square her MC: 2°09
Her Venus conjuncts his Mars: 0°54
Her Venus semisquare his Neptune: 1°03
her MC square his Mars: 0°15
her MC semisquare his Neptune: 0°05
his Mars semisquare his Neptune: 0°10

Now, I recall that you said to keep the orbs narrow, so I guess the Venus-MC-square is too wide.
Or would you still count that as an 8th harmonic triangle?

WEll, if one only allows orbs of 1° for aspects in such a configuration, I imagine one wouldn`t find too many of those, am I right?

posted March 21, 2008 03:48 AM            

I am not sure...it's easier to see the actual chart.

seeing all those aspects written in words can be confusing to me...especially if I am being asked a question.

posted March 21, 2008 05:31 AM              

But maybe the placements help?
Venus: 06°07 Capricorn
Mars: 5°13 Capricorn

MC: 4°58 Libra

Neptune: 20°03 Scorpio

However, yet another question:
If you look at triangles, is it enough when all planets which are part of the midpoint picture aspect each other?
Or do they have to be in the SAME harmonic?

I actually found in one of my own synastries such a midpoint picture, where all the planets are aspecting each other.

His Venus / Mars semisquare my Pluto

His Venus squares my Pluto
his Mars conjuncts my Pluto
his Venus squares his Mars

I am just not sure, if this is counted as a triangle, it looks more like a "conjuncted square".

Interestingly it is a dw, cause

My Venus / Mars square his Pluto

But I don`t think the planets aspect each other. Well my Venus is semisextile my Mars, but no aspects from my Venus to his Pltuo nor my Mars to his Pluto.

posted March 21, 2008 05:52 AM            

the planets aspect each other in a triangle and parts of the midpoint picture, then it's in the same harmonic

even aspects in a mystical triangle will be in the same harmonic as they are all divisions of the 12th harmonic.....the mystical triangle being a 12th harmonic triangle. The Yod is also a 12th harmonic triangle.

posted March 21, 2008 06:30 AM              

So, now I have to think of an interpretation of Venus / MC = Mars = Neptune.
I remember that you once have posted the interpretations from Ruth Brummond`s book here (I can`t find my copy of the book right now). Do you know when you posted this, so I can search for it on the forum?

"the planets aspect each other in a triangle and parts of the midpoint picture, then it's in the same harmonic"
I didn`t know that. But I donīt know a lot about the minor aspects, I think.
I just recall a midpoint picture where there were deciles and quintiles involved, and thought it wasn`t the same harmonic.
But if the decile is an aspect of the 10th harmonic and the quintile is a 5th harmonic aspect, they do have something to do with each other, don`t they?
Like the 4th and the 8th harmonic?
Does that go for the 3rd, 6th, and 12th harmonic, too? Are they "connected" to each other?
And what about the 7th and the 9th then? Those are all alone? (of course I think they would have connections to the 14th and the 18th harmonic, am I right?)

"even aspects in a mystical triangle will be in the same harmonic as they are all divisions of the 12th harmonic"
A mystical triangle consists of a quinkunx, a trine and a square, doesn`t it?
How do they belong to the same harmonic.
I mean, the quinkunx is a 12th harmonic aspect, the trine is a 3rd harmonic aspect - this I get.
But how does the square as a 4th harmonic aspect fit in there? It does fit to the 12th harmonic, I guess. But I don`t see the relation between the 3rd and 4th harmonic.
Of course 3 multiplied with 4 is 12, but that doesn`t have anything to do with it, no?

"The Yod is also a 12th harmonic triangle."
This one I get, 6th and 12th harmonic certainly have a connection to each other.

"the midpoint pictures,aspects seem relevant in the Venus,Mars,Pluto triangle"
So, conjunctions are allowed in counting this?

Would the nature of the harmonic aspects flavour the midpoint picture? Like in that example it`s all in the 8th harmonic, so there might be some tension and maybe some sparks involved.

Would that be different from a Grand Trine, which also involves a midpoint picture (I think, all Grand trines do, don`t they?) - being an aspect of the 3rd harmonic, would that give a more balanced, harmonious, flowing exchange?

posted March 21, 2008 11:46 AM            

I had to take it down because of copywright violations. It was wrong to distribute it even if it was for free.

"But if the decile is an aspect of the 10th harmonic and the quintile is a 5th harmonic aspect, they do have something to do with each other, don`t they?"

Yes..
decile is 1/10(waxing) and 9/10(waning) of a circle,and so 10th harmonic.......quintile is 2/10(waxing) and 8/10(waning) of a circle,and so quintile is also a 10th harmonic like the decile.

Like the 4th and the 8th harmonic?
Yes...
conjunction is 4/4 of a circle,opposition is 2/4 of a circle,square is 1/4(waxing) and 3/4(waning) of a circle.
conjunction is 8/8 of a circle,opposition is 4/8 of a circle. square 2/8(waxing) and 6/8(waning) of a circle.
semisquare is 1/8(waxing) and 3/8(waning). sesquiquadrate is 3/8(waxing) and 5/8(waning) of a circle.

Does that go for the 3rd, 6th, and 12th harmonic, too? Are they "connected" to each other?
Yes....
trine is 1/3(waxing) and 2/3(waning) of circle.
trine is 2/6(waxing) and 4/6(waning) of a circle. sextile is 1/6(waxing) and 5/6(waning) of a circle.
trine is 4/12(waxing)and 8/12(waning) of a circle. sextile is 2/12(waxing) and 10/12(waning) of a circle.

"And what about the 7th and the 9th then? Those are all alone?"
7th and 9th harmonics don't share a harmonic

"(of course I think they would have connections to the 14th and the 18th harmonic, am I right?)"
yeah......7ths of a circle is also 14ths of a circle. 9ths of a circle is also 18ths of a circle.

"A mystical triangle consists of a quinkunx, a trine and a square, doesn`t it?"

Yes....

"How do they belong to the same harmonic."
I mean, the quinkunx is a 12th harmonic aspect, the trine is a 3rd harmonic aspect - this I get.
But how does the square as a 4th harmonic aspect fit in there? It does fit to the 12th harmonic, I guess. But I don`t see the relation between the 3rd and 4th harmonic.
Of course 3 multiplied with 4 is 12, but that doesn`t have anything to do with it, no?"

Trine is 4/12(waxing) and 8/12(waning) of a circle. Square is 3/12(waxing) and 9/12(waning) of a circle.
Quincunx is 5/12(waxing) and 7/12(waning) of a circle.

"The Yod is also a 12th harmonic triangle."
"This one I get, 6th and 12th harmonic certainly have a connection to each other."

Yep.....Sextile is 2/12(waxing)and 10/12(waning)of a circle. Quincunx is 5/12(waxing) and 7/12(waning) of a circle.

"the midpoint pictures,aspects seem relevant in the Venus,Mars,Pluto triangle"
So, conjunctions are allowed in counting this?

Yes because of the geometry involved

"Would the nature of the harmonic aspects flavour the midpoint picture? Like in that example it`s all in the 8th harmonic, so there might be some tension and maybe some sparks involved."

That's possible.....depending on the system, mainstream astrologers would say that it might have do with tension,irritation.
Cosmobiologists who use only the 8th harmonic: conjunction = 8/8, opposition = 4/8,square = 2/8(waxing) and 6/8(waning),semisquare = 1/8(waning) and 7/8(waxing) and sesquiquadrate = 3/8(waxing) and 5/8(waning) will focus on the planetary combinations and not the actual aspect.

all aspects until the 1/2 of a circle are waxing. all aspects past the 1/2 of a circle are waning.

"Would that be different from a Grand Trine, which also involves a midpoint picture (I think, all Grand trines do, don`t they?) - being an aspect of the 3rd harmonic, would that give a more balanced, harmonious, flowing exchange?"

a perfect grand trine(one with no orb or very narrow orbs) will consist of 3 opposition midpoint pictures, and so not necessarily viewed as favorable configuration by Cosmobiologists.

posted March 22, 2008 07:37 AM              

I also start thinking that maybe a midpoint picture which has planets, which are all aspecting each other, will be experienced more strongly than otherwise.

For example: My Jupiter / Pluto = Sun = Mercury
But Jupiter, Pluto, Sun and Mercury are not in close aspects.

And still I am not rich.

However, I can be convincing at times, when I most need to be. It would be interesting to see if Bill Gates has this midpoint picture and if his planets are in mutual aspect.