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Topic: Please please please. Help me.
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scorpiofrancesca Knowflake Posts: 119 From: plainfield, il usa Registered: Mar 2007
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posted March 30, 2008 05:52 PM
Does anything in a natal chart suggest homosexuality? I know there was a thread about this, I have to try harder to find it. Is there anything suggesting homosexuality in this chart.. Please this is important, I'm feeling strange and disheartened about this.. Its my boyfriend, we had started dating this past november.. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/fcarlock/kchart.gif <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v721/fcarlock/?action=view¤t=kchart.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/fcarlock/kchart.gif" border="0" alt="kp"></a>
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mblover Knowflake Posts: 508 From: Registered: Nov 2007
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posted March 30, 2008 09:20 PM
Is this Gemini rising and Neptune in 7th? There is NO 12th House, Neptune Conjuct Moon or Sun Conjuct Moon or Mercury Conjuct Neptune cases that are found in Homosexuals. But Gemini Rising and Neptune in 7th seems like Dreamy need of a partner of either sex - so to me - this person is rather Bi Sexual or trying to get there. IP: Logged |
bellemalheur Knowflake Posts: 39 From: berkley, michigan, usa Registered: Jan 2007
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posted March 30, 2008 10:16 PM
just as there is no "marker" for heterosexuality, there is similarly none for homosexuality. that idea is a product of a heterosexist society trying to figure out why gay people are not "normal", when in reality they are just another facet of the complex homosapian organism. it is in the same vein that an astrological chart cannot determine race and lots of other genetically inherited stuff.IP: Logged |
belgz Knowflake Posts: 719 From: sydney Registered: Feb 2007
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posted March 31, 2008 02:25 AM
Well my best friend is gay and he has about a hundred other friends charts that i have looked at and he doesnt seem to have a chart where he could be gay. My best friend has a pluto moon conjunction and saturn in 12th with sun conjunct venus in virgo (FEM)Majority of the gay guys charts have moon square uranus and feminine planets. Another common thing i noticed is moon conjunct uranus and venus conjunct ascendant in guys makes them feminine as well and more likely to be gay with the other aspects i mentioned. Planets in 8th house or 12th house show hidden emotions or sexuality. Saturn and uranus in 12th and 8th or moon in sag or scorpio plus a conjunction to uranus theres a good chance he could be gay.
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writesomething Knowflake Posts: 2376 From: meet me in montauk Registered: May 2006
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posted March 31, 2008 02:31 AM
I really think men with a strong scorpio energy have homosexuality tendencies. IP: Logged |
23 Knowflake Posts: 4497 From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain Registered: Aug 2006
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posted March 31, 2008 03:34 AM
I've heard its Sun squ Ura for men. For women, I heard its Moon squ Ura.However, I've heard that this is also speculation. Many say that gayness cannot simply be read into charts. IP: Logged |
wild sheep Knowflake Posts: 289 From: Oregon (USA) Registered: Dec 2007
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posted March 31, 2008 07:42 AM
I disagree with astrologers who say there are no astro indications for GLBT identity in natal charts. I think it's also possible to see homophobia in some charts.However, I don't find them in this chart. Doesn't mean this person doesn't identify as gay, but...none of the things I usually look for when trying to get info about that issue are there. What I do see is troubling. Chiron in Taurus (soul-wounding around self-value) in the 12th (having deep psychological implications). Neptune in the 7th (tendency toward addictive, co-dependant relationships). I think Nep opposing the Ascendant could suggest major dishonesty with regard to self-image/the way he presents himself to others. Plus there's Mars in Capricorn (I've seen that in the charts of a lot of hard-core abusive personalities) in the 8th (abusiveness may manifest in his sex life, with regard to sexual partners). Look...I think the best way to find out what's up with your boyfriend as far as his sexual identity is concerned is to ask him about it (politely). But I also think that is the least of your worries here. IP: Logged |
amowls Knowflake Posts: 866 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted March 31, 2008 10:58 AM
mblover: I am Gemini rising and have neptune in the 7th. I've been kind of bicurious all of my life, but I've recently had a "lesbian encounter" and I can safely say that I'm straight.To the OP, most people will tell you that there is no real way to see if someone is gay or straight by looking at their natal chart. If you are really that worried about it, there's not much you can do. All you can do is be supportive and wait for him to come out instead of forcing him to tell you that he's gay. IP: Logged |
scorpiofrancesca Knowflake Posts: 119 From: plainfield, il usa Registered: Mar 2007
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posted March 31, 2008 12:50 PM
Although my boyfriend has plenty of gay friends, I have always unquestionably assumed his heterosexuality. When other ppl made rude, gay comments to him I have always been quick to his defense. This weekend changed that assumption. It's a long story and personal, and although he'd never know if I posted it on here and I would like to, I feel wrong doing it.I suppose there are no definite, hard answers about homosexuality in astrology, but I do believe tendencies found in a person, or what we are attracted to, can be found in a natal chart. Nobody really knows yet what factors into homosexuality though, whether it's genetic, characteristics, past experiences, if it is inherent at birth... I have never heard anything about Neptune in 7th before, I will look it up. Would that bring disillusionment with partnerships? His sun doesn't square his Uranus.. Nor his moon.. I guess I don't really know I have not had a chance to talk to him yet about this weekend, but I need to. What happened wasn't right in regard to me, and he didn't behave like a straight guy would have in the situation. It makes me feel sick WildSheep, thank you for your concern. I don't doubt that these aspects have been tried and true in past cases. But! I actually laughed at the said abusive dishonest aspects. My boyfriend is extremely happy go lucky, hates confrontation or arguments; genuine, cuddly, sweetheart type. He is sensitive to whatever I am thinking, I've never been with a more genuinely sweet guy. He is a far cry from being any sort of tough guy in any way, he's a softy. Maybe these aspects will come out later??? But it's almost impossible for me to even imagine it! IP: Logged |
deuxantares Knowflake Posts: 1197 From: Meet Me in Sofia Registered: Nov 2006
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posted March 31, 2008 01:13 PM
-- "I really think men with a strong scorpio energy have homosexuality tendencies."i am new to astrology but this piqued my curiosity. i have a male friend with scorpio ascendant and venus in scorpio. he is good looking and sexy and smart, almost perfect. he is not gay; he loves women but he has had sexual encounters with males before. IP: Logged |
Unmoved Knowflake Posts: 2160 From: Born in S.Africa Registered: Jun 2007
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posted March 31, 2008 01:40 PM
People... ...think of astrology as a guide-book as to how you're likely to react to things, not as something that can tell us WHO or WHAT we are. If you look at astrology as a way that guides how we express who we already are, then astrology can not tell us if a person is gay, black or female, etc. What it can tell us is how a gay person may react to their environment, how a person sees themselves, how a person reacts when it comes to relationships, career, money, etc. The operative word is HOW. So, within certain parameters, a gay person with a lot of Scorpio would probably not hide their homosexuality because of how Scorpio reacts under societal influences because a Scorpio is generally not too concerned about the world, but more with the spirit, or the "under-world" so to speak. Meaning that a Scorpio might not really be as self-conscious about their sexual orientation. Whereas, some other planetary configuration might hide their sexual orientation due to feeling some sort of fear (being rebuked by society etc). That's just an example... Well, that's my thought on the matter. So, the question to ask would be, "How would a gay Scorpio react in a certain situation compared to a straight Scorpio?", I am separating the two only because of the different social experiences homosexual people have compared to straight people, and how homosexuals deal with different pressures compared to straight people (being judged, questioned and prodded as if it's Ripley's Believe it or Not).... not because there is "psychological, biological or any other difference"... Or I could be talking a whole load of cr@p. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Moderator Posts: 7410 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Nov 2004
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posted March 31, 2008 02:01 PM
Unmoved ~Your dissertation was fabulous!! No cr@p that I could see Love, Z IP: Logged |
Unmoved Knowflake Posts: 2160 From: Born in S.Africa Registered: Jun 2007
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posted March 31, 2008 02:08 PM
Zala - I learn from the best IP: Logged |
bellemalheur Knowflake Posts: 39 From: berkley, michigan, usa Registered: Jan 2007
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posted March 31, 2008 04:41 PM
unmoved, that was what i was saying but you put it much more eloquently.IP: Logged |
dj Knowflake Posts: 54 From: Earth Registered: Sep 2007
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posted March 31, 2008 05:16 PM
Sexual preferences are a property of the spirit or mental body (individuality), astrology looks at the soul (personality). Therefore, although indications of sexuality are reflected through the soul, just as our individuality is reflected through our personality, these are only indications and tendencies only, and will often reflect the experience and attitude towards ones sexuality. Similarly, our gender, race, cultural heritage and other factors not having their origins in the soul but in the choices of the prebirth spirit will also show up astrologically through their astral effects and the attitudes we have to dealing with those.IP: Logged |
imkazaam Knowflake Posts: 12 From: TX Registered: Apr 2006
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posted April 07, 2008 10:10 AM
As I have heard different things on the subject, such as..."Men/Women are born gay" "Sexuality is a choice" "That guy 'acts gay,' but he's not" I feel that each of these reflect different parts of the person and that it is possible to find them astrologically, though. I haven't seen it...and I haven't been looking. I will say though that one guy I knew who was gay, had Venus conjunct Saturn, Venus square Neptune, Mars Square Pluto & Mars Trine Uranus; also his Moon squared Mars, Moon trine Neptune (grand trine w/ sun moon neptune) and his Moon opposed Pluto. I remember reading in an article online that the Venus aspects are some to watch...oh and his Sun squared Uranus. Hope that helps. IP: Logged |