posted March 31, 2008 09:17 AM            

Sun-Eris Bilevel
(Sun trine Eris - 1'48)
(Sun contraparallel Eris - '26)
Eris parallel Ascendant - '23

Also according Theodor Landscheidt's Golden Section Aspect method http://bourabai.narod.ru/landscheidt/consider.htm

Mercury,Pluto,Eris Golden Section Triangle
(Pluto square Mercury/Eris midpoint - '49)
(Mercury-Eris golden section aspect - '03)
(Jupiter-Eris golden section aspect - '51)
(Pluto-Eris golden section aspect - '51) http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/BarackObamaGoldenSectionChart.gif

Based on reading Zane Stein’s article and his keywords as well as Roy MacKinnon’s keywords and the charts that I have looked at, I believe that Eris has to do with stirring stuff up, controversy, ideology, civil/equal rights matters, standing up for self/others, advocacy, bigotry, racism, minorities, race relations, diversity, .....all those things are connected to each other too.

I don’t believe that Eris is just about discord and controversy. I think that there is more to it. That’s like saying Pluto is just about the underworld because Pluto/Hades is the God of the underworld. Juan Revilla made good points that we can’t just rely on the name of the object for its astrological meaning. Uranus personality traits fit more with Prometheus than the god, Uranus even though Uranus/Ouranos was the sky god. Neptune personality traits fit more with Dionysus/Bacchus even though Neptune was the sea god. I looked at some asteroid stuff in regards to that. Juan Revilla said that it’s important to consider the orbital symbolism of the objects. Philip Sedgwick takes into account the nodes and perihelion/aphelion of the object.

Astronomical-oriented astrologers including Philip Sedgwick, Juan Revilla, Zane Stein don’t rely on the name of objects to derive meaning from it.

Some of them suggested names to the astronomers that were accepted for some centaurs after studying their orbits, physical properties. Nessus was the first. http://www.zanestein.com/page4_2.htm

this is what Philip Sedgwick said
Star Blogs ~ The Galactic Times
Planet With No Name (Yet) ~ 02 Feb 2008

"So if you were Neil Young traversing the desert night sky on a planet with no name, how could you derive any meaning for it? One, consider its nature, uniqueness and physical profile. Two, assign interpretive delineations by pondering the sign and degree of critical orbital elements, specifically the node and closest point the body makes to the Sun."

the closest point of the object makes to the sun is called the Perihelion.

Here is some stuff by Juan Revilla who believes in the orbital symbolism should be used to determine an object’s astrological meaning and not the name.

ORBITAL SYMBOLISM IN ASTROLOGY http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/essays/paradigm.html

Zane Stein even added Persephone/Proserpina symbolism in his Eris keywords. Michael Brown wanted to name Eris "Persephone", and he even said that it was like Persephone. He said that half of the time, Eris orbits away from Pluto. But the names, "Persephone" and "Proserpina" were given to asteroids. Obviously, astronomers gave mythological names too readily. Michael Brown did give the name Eris after all the discord among the astronomers. Methinks..that there could be astrologers in discord. Many astrologers don’t agree on many things in Astrology like orbs are hotly debated.

I was thinking how Ceres and Pluto are made equals in Astronomy because of the discovery of Eris, and how it can seem similar to how Pluto/Hades and Ceres/Demeter shared equal amount of time with Proserpina/Persephone.
Pluto got demoted to minor planet and assigned a minor planet number. Ceres got promoted to dwarf planet. Therefore, Pluto and Ceres are equals in astronomy. Pluto got the same treatment as Ceres. Ceres was classed as a planet but got it’s planetary status stripped after the realization that it is one of many objects in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. Now Pluto’s planetary status is stripped after the realization that it is one of many objects in the Kuiper Belt. After they found Eris, the need to make a definition of what planet had to be made. Astronomers even hypothesize there could be a dozen Plutos out there and even some Mars-sized objects. Any ways...Ceres and Pluto were made equals because of Eris, and so that’s one of the reasons that I believe Eris has to do with equal rights, civil rights issues.. I am seeing Eris in civil rights, equal rights events....especially involving Black civil rights issues. Eris can be related to minority rights issues. Eris’ Perihelion is in Libra seems to reflect the equality, fairness, getting along that Eris seems to call for. Eris’ Aphelion in Aries seems to reflect the war, conflict, aggression, trouble that Eris is known for causing. Eris’ North Node in Taurus seems to reflect the solidarity. It can also be the stubbornness, materialism that often causes problems in society and creates division between people. Eris’ South Node in Scorpio seems to reflect the transformation, rebirth, but also revenge, resentment that often connection to division of humanity and linked to racism.

When I think of Eris, I think of taking sides, forced to decide between two things, torn between two factions, dilemmas, "If you are not with me, you are against me", betrayal, resentment that happens after choosing a side, creating a bridge, narrowing the gap

Eris orbits beyond Saturn, and so it seems like it can relate to the metaphysical. It is a kuiper belt object like Pluto, and so it can seem to relate to intensity, transformation, and rebirth. Eris’ orbit is more unusual than Pluto for its not only it’s more elliptical, but it is tilted 44.187 degrees relative to the plane of the solar system. Pluto’s orbit is only inclined 17 degrees. That would reflect that Eris relates to being a nonconformist as well as being divergent.

Based on reading Zane Stein’s article and his keywords as well as Roy MacKinnon’s keywords and the charts that I have looked at, I believe that Eris has to do with stirring stuff up, controversy, ideology, civil/equal rights matters, standing up for self/others, advocacy, bigotry, racism, minorities, race relations, diversity, .....all those things are connected to each other too.

It could be racial relations stuff like the racial divide, interracial relationships, interracial marriages, interracial family
connections,and interracial parentage. It it could be the multiracial. It could even be international relations. It could be like tolerance/intolerance of divergence, diversity, minorities(not necessarily race, ethnic...but even religion, sexual orientation, etc). It’s the intolerance of divergents, diversity, minorities that lead to equal/civil rights issues.

Barack Obama is definitely a racial minority, he comes across as divergent to many, and he seems to believe in acceptance/tolerance of diversity by many(note:I didn't say most nor all), he comes from a family background that is diverse. He’s a civil rights lawyer. Of course, he's viewed as being Muslim by many people(note: I didn't say most nor all). Of course,many Muslims are frowned upon here in USA. He also has a highly controversial minister who gets called racists after pointing out the racism here in USA that is even confirmed by the United Nations. Being biracial black and white,he was torn between the white and black races like many biracial black and white people. Even in this day and age, "the one drop rule" is still in effect. Biracial people tend to have no choice but identify mainly with minority race because that's how society will view them as....especially if they are part black. With him in the presidential race,the need to create a bridge between blacks and whites and deal with the race divide is very obvious.

Roy, Zane, Francisco, and Phil have some very good preliminary keywords for Eris, and they go well beyond discord. The Eris research that I did seem to support their keywords.

Roy MacKinnon’s Eris’ Keywords:
Striving to achieve one’s goals and refusing to capitulate to the pressure of unjust treatment and discord from abusive authority : with great inner conviction and single-mindedness of purpose following a path of high attainment and enlightenment notwithstanding adversity - alternatively refusing the call to transform with mediocrity and underachievement as consequences: issues around power abuse of minorities, the defenceless, the alien: networks, multinational countries and companies, the world- wide web: piracy, terrorism, clash of ideologies: conflict between desires of personality and pursuit of the inner call: persecution of the spiritually aware person who stands alone courageously acting according to conscience: an outstanding individual ahead of the times.

Zane Stein’s Eris Keywords:
Loss of innocence, entrance into adulthood; child’s trauma being separated from parent; acceptance of unavoidable changes; dying and being reborn (as opposed to Pluto which rules the causes/processes of death and rebirth); internal split causing longing to be whole, the longing of the soul for its other half; the subject/object of a debate, argument, competition, conflict or war...what stirs people to fight or disagree; fighting for one’s rights; strife and discord; pitting one side against the other; competition, contests and tournaments; struggles for supremacy; rivalry; a test of skills or abilities; love of fighting or debate; what one has at stake in a competition, dispute or conflict, or one’s perspective of what is being fought over; refusing to relinquish one’s hold on an ideal, belief, cause, or object...’not budging an inch’; the problems resulting from irreconcilable differences; contrasting different perspectives; comparing thesis and antithesis in the search for truth; contrasting opposing viewpoints to reveal each side more clearly, to seek similarities as well as differences; contrasting logical thought processes to show the limitations of logic; identifying with, or trying to understand, first principles; incongruous juxtapositions to force one to think outside of the box; the ethics connected with one’s motives and methods, and the coming to light of less than spotless methods; the roots of one’s motivations; piracy, defrauding, swindling; society’s ethics; race intent.

Francesco Schiavinotto’s Keywords:
Dam; Damming; Obstruction; Obliteration; To be opposite; Aversion for the Extraneous; To obstacle the Alien; False Adaption between Different Matters; Reciprocal Aversion; Feeling to be Invaded; Resistance; Incommunicability; Controversial Figure; Ecological Incompatibility; Underground Instability

It’s Eris’ Co-Discoverer, Michael Brown that seemed to give the clue to Eris’ meaning

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong, ” Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” ) http://www-tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html

That seems to fit with controversy,ideology,diversity,divergence,considerate/inconsiderate of viewpoints/opinions/beliefs/values,bigotry,terrorism, redefining boundaries)......Honestly, I think that it not only fits with any belief system but also even Astrology(look at how much diversity is in Astology that involves so much disagreement that even Steven Forrest ,who has Moon conjunct Eris, refers to the issue as Tower Babel and stated that the idea of "One True Astrology" is a myth and destructive). I even think that Eris might even be a co-ruler of Astrology.

The Tower of Babel applies to the whole planet in general for there is much diversity with much intolerance,miscommunications,and misunderstandings.

Many Christians used the Tower of Babel story in the Bible as an excuse for segregation,interracial marriage bans

for example:

In June 1958, two residents of Virginia, Mildred Jeter, a Negro woman, and Richard Loving, a white man, were married in the District of Columbia pursuant to its laws. Shortly after their marriage, the Lovings returned to Virginia and established their marital abode in Caroline County. At the October Term, 1958, of the Circuit Court of Caroline County, a grand jury issued an indictment charging the Lovings with violating Virginia's ban on interracial marriages. On January 6, 1959, the Lovings pleaded guilty to the charge and were sentenced to one year in jail; however, the trial judge suspended the sentence for a period of 25 years on the condition that the Lovings leave the State and not return to Virginia together for 25 years. He stated in an opinion that:

"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix." http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/loving.html

Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1 (1967)[1], was a landmark civil rights case in which the United States Supreme Court declared Virginia's anti-miscegenation statute, the "Racial Integrity Act of 1924", unconstitutional, thereby overturning Pace v. Alabama (1883) and ending all race-based legal restrictions on marriage in the United States.

In Eris' discovery chart, Moon in 10'57 Scorpio in 7th house square Babel in 9'31 Leo in 5th which seems to fit the issues dealing with interracial relationships as well as their offspring. http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/ErisDiscoveryAstrology.gif

Tower of Babel seems to fit with Eris.

posted March 31, 2008 09:54 AM              

America NEEDS Obama.

However, my intuition tells me that something is going to happen and McCain is going to get in. The thought of it turns my stomach.

posted March 31, 2008 09:57 AM              

I totally agree. Use of any psychiatric drugs on children is just totally unacceptable. I feel the same way about antibiotics for non life-threatening childhood illnesses and don't get me started on vaccinations.