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jane
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posted April 03, 2008 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
The Magi people emphasize the wedding chart. Did your relationship start to reflect your wedding chart?

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blue moon
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posted April 03, 2008 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message

Which is what? I'd have to think about it. Uranus on the MC ~ unorthodox. Maybe.

This is a guesstimate chart anyway. One of the guests had problems parking and it kicked off late. I wasn't wearing a watch at the time and it wasn't the first thing I thought to ask when I was in the bridal suite later.



As I lived with him for several years before this point I'm not convinced the Magi are onto a winner with this one.

It was just a legal nicety, useful as we have different nationalities.

I'd be more inclined to look at the chart of when we first met.

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jane
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posted April 03, 2008 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
"I wasn't wearing a watch at the time and it wasn't the first thing I thought to ask when I was in the bridal suite later."

lol, thanks to astrology, I've gotten so time-conscious. I can see myself saying, "I do," then yelling, "THE TIME? I NEED THE TIME!"

My SO and I will have been living together for about 6 years by the time we tie the knot, so I'm pretty skeptical about a wedding chart having any impact on our relationship. But it's funny that you should refer to the first meeting chart, b/c that's what's got me wondering if maybe the wedding chart will have meaning. Magi also stresses the first meeting chart, and I can see that chart as describing my relationship with my SO pretty well, especially the very early days before we became a couple.

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Lara
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posted April 03, 2008 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
EXACT time doesn't matter in a wedding CAC in Magi.

Look at geo, helio and declinations. Look for any aspects under 3 degrees and declinations under 1.2 in geo and 0.3 in helio, especially saturn to chiron aspects and venus/neptune and chiron.

Compare natal and transits for the day too.

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belgz
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posted April 03, 2008 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
I got married when jupiter was exactly conjunct my ascendant and jupiter was at the same time trine my chiron. We seperated 2 days later... It doesnt work.

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ASC: Virgo

Sun: Cancer
Moon: Gemini
Mars: Cancer
Mercury: Cancer
Venus: Leo

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belgz
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posted April 03, 2008 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
This is our wedding chart. Ive been married twice and both didnt make it past the first month lol
Marriage 1:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid=582fileWEP0zi-u1065325146&lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=58305006&nho2=861009&btyp=2&mth=gw&sday=4&smon=4&syr=2008&hsy=-1&zod=&orbp=&rs=0&add=18&ast=

Marriage 2:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=0&adl=18&ast=&gm=a1&sday=4&btyp=2&syr=2008&zod=&lang=e&orbp=&mth=gw&cid=582fileWEP0zi-u1065325146&hsy=-1&smon=4&nhor=218961794&go.x=15&go.y=11

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ASC: Virgo

Sun: Cancer
Moon: Gemini
Mars: Cancer
Mercury: Cancer
Venus: Leo

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Lara
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posted April 03, 2008 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
2nd marriage didn't work cos you have a saturn/venus conjunct PLUS l bet you had natal aspects to your marriage CAC that were negative.

Jupiter/Chiron in 1st marriage is not so amazing... and again, would be interesting to see your transits.

I totally trust Magi - l have been married twice and both the marriage CAC's AND the transits showed up a NO NO when l analysed them. Same for friends and my family.


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Got Gemini?
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posted April 03, 2008 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
According to the Magi, we got married on a bad day; Dec 30, 2002 at 1:30pm est. Maybe if things work out between us, we'll get married again on a "good" day.

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Virgo Asc & Mars
Gemini Sun
Libra Moon
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus

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Unmoved
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posted April 03, 2008 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
belgz - you're a rockstar!! 2 days and you were separated?

What are excellent transits, relative to Natal chart, (or just transits only) for a loving, endurable, faithful and happy marriage? I am getting ready to get married.

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Belage
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posted April 04, 2008 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message
Belz, in your first marriage, you also had Saturn opposite Chiron, taking off some of the beauty of Jupiter trining chiron.

You also had atomic Pluto squaring the sun, mars, and Neptune. Not good.

Also, the moon was opposing Chiron.

Venus was opposing the true node.

ETA: The 2nd marriage date wasn't that great either.

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Belage
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posted April 04, 2008 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message
Unmoved, the answer is really quite complicated.

Magi astrology offers good pointers. My personal opinion is that Vedic astrology is better at this than Magi and Western astrology.

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jane
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posted April 04, 2008 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
We've been settled on a date for a while now, & it's not going to be changing regardless of what the wedding chart is like. We changed the date once already, but that was for non-astrological reasons.

Earlier I looked at the chart, and I was surprised at how much the chart makes sense for us. Things that aren't necessarily good or bad, but are very "us."

This makes me wonder about using astrology to pick an "ideal" date. Won't that just create something artificial? I'd rather trust in synchronicity, that the relationship is reflected in the chart,. But I don't think that the chart would bring anything negative or positive to the relationship that doesn't already exist. It seems odd to me to try to "trick" fortune by choosing a date with very positive aspects.

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jane
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posted April 04, 2008 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
Lara -
In helio, for parallels do we look at declinations or at latitude? I remember reading here that you look at the latter, but I may have misunderstood.

Unmoved -
I didn't know that, congrats!

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belgz
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posted April 04, 2008 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
heres my chart with transits for my first marriage...

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid=582fileWEP0zi-u1065325146&lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=432728&nho2=861009&btyp=24&mth=gw&sday=9&smon=9&syr=2004&hsy=-1&zod=&orbp=&rs=0&add=18&ast=

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belgz
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posted April 04, 2008 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
HEres 2nd marriage transits which are heaps better this one was just a big mistake altogether. Im planning not to get married anymore i dont get what the big deal is with marriage i mean whats the whole special thing about it anyway? What does a piece of paper do for you or your relationship.. NOTHING!
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid=582fileWEP0zi-u1065325146&lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=432728&nho2=861009&btyp=24&mth=gw&sday=10&smon=10&syr=2007&hsy=-1&zod=&orbp=&rs=0&ast=

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Lara
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posted April 04, 2008 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Jane

As far as l know (and i've done quite a bit of Magi research plus l am a member) you look for declinations in both. I would look it up for you but sadly my PC that my Magi software is on has died!

Just always remember, Magi or not... that everything happens for a reason

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darkdreamer
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posted April 04, 2008 07:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Jane and Lara,

actually in the geo you look at declination, but in the heliocentric zodiac you look at the latitude with an orb of 0.3.
Atleast this is what I Found on the Magi website.

DD

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Lara
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posted April 04, 2008 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
really DD?

hmmm... let me check an old chart as their software calculates it automatically so we can see if its decl or lats

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blue moon
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posted April 04, 2008 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Well, look what I found whilst waiting for my dinner to cook (not read it through yet, I confess):


http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/how-to-choose-a-wedding-date

Choosing a wedding date

The basics

Plan the union for an easygoing day. We all know that there are days when everyone seems to be in an easy mood (kiss), and there are days when folks are more tightly wound (quack). As above, so below— these “kisses and quacks1“ show up in the heavens, and we can look ahead to see what the planets will be doing on a potential wedding day. You need some kind of astrological calendar to find this. I have a list of transits for 2007 that you can download and use, or you can purchase an astrological calendar. Here’s 2008 as well.
We have individual kiss and quack days as well. As the planets move around the skies, they “zing” areas that are sensitive just for you— shown by your birth chart. Some of these transits are easy, and others are difficult. Maximize easy, peaceful transits, and minimize harsh ones for both partners.
The strongest planets flavor the chart most powerfully. Make sure the benefics, Venus and Jupiter, are well-placed and in good shape in the wedding chart.

Good

Waxing Moon trine or sextile Sun, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, or Neptune. Moon conjunct Sun, Venus, Jupiter, Neptune.
Venus is strongest in the signs of her rulership and exaltation: Taurus, Libra, Cancer and Pisces.
One of the easiest ways to strengthen the chart is to pick a time when Venus or Jupiter is close to the Midheaven or 7th house cusp of the chart. The Midheaven is especially important.
Venus (love) trine or sextile Saturn (stability, endurance and tradition). Other planets in easy aspect to Saturn are also good. Sun, Moon, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter.
Venus, Sun, Moon, Mercury, or Saturn trine, sextile, conjunct, or opposite Jupiter is lucky, optimistic and bounces back from trouble easily. Mars with Jupiter is especially lucky.
Venus conjunct, trine, sextile or opposite Mars supports a healthy sex life.
Venus, Sun, Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, or Saturn in easy aspect to Neptune supports compassion and spiritual growth.

Avoid

Venus retrograde
Waning or void of course Moon
Venus conjunct, square or opposite Saturn. Saturn stabilizes but can be like a wet blanket on Venus. It may work if there are other planets in supportive aspects (trine, sextile) to the conjunction or opposition. You definitely don’t want anything else squaring it.
Moon conjunct or square Mars, Saturn, or Pluto.
Venus in the signs of her detriment and fall: Scorpio, Aries, Capricorn and Virgo. These signs may work if Venus is very well aspected, strongly placed, and in harmony with both natal charts.
Mars under stress (squares, oppositions, some conjunctions) is passionate and sexual, but can also indicate fighting and arguments.
Saturn, Uranus, or Mars in an angular house (unless Mars is conjunct Venus).

Finer points

Having the rulers of the 1st and 7th houses in a favorable aspect is good.
If you can’t put Venus or Jupiter on an angle, see if you can put the Venus/Jupiter midpoint there.
Unfortunately, we can’t arrange the planets to our liking. We have to work with the planets and what they are doing, and there is no perfect chart. A few klunkers are unavoidable. In fact, a chart without klunkers tends to be weak and lacks focus. Imagine how boring life would be if there were only sweet, and no bitter.

But you don’t want the klunkers driving the bus in your marriage chart. Let’s say in your chart the Moon trines Venus— good! But she squares Uranus— hmmm… The thing to do here is look for a time when Venus is in an angular house and Uranus is not. Remember, the angular houses are much more powerful. Planets in angular houses “have the microphone” in the chart. In a harmonious wedding chart, the happier planets hold the mike. In a discordant chart, planets under stress hold the mike.

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venusdeindia
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posted April 04, 2008 10:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message
jane, first congrats on ur upcoming wedding

wedding charts are very, very IMP in our culture. first the charts of the bride and groom are analysed for compatibility . then keeping in mind their individual issues and areas of low compoatibiklity a wedding date and time is arrived at to counter any weaknesses in their relationship. BUT and this is vital that only applies to a couple that has NOT yet consummated the relationship. hence technically the first time u make love is the chart of the relationship
WHY ??? coz, at the time of sex, the DNA of both partners merge permanently and this is irreversible unless u meditate to release it.the sperm of a man contains his Karma of all lives, his present character, issues etc. u get the idea .when u have sex u create a third Vibrational Frequency, ( remember Linda in Star signs ?).
this frequnecy the composite oif both your frequencies , is ur new vibrationbal rate, ur own individual frequency ceases to exist. Meaning the marriage chart replaces the Birth Chart. THAT is why the wedding chart is stressed in ur culture, by picking the best one u can overcome ur issues.
also , in ur culture, SEX is marriage, we dont technically have a wedding. the ritual we have that the WEST thinks as marriage is a fire ritual to destroy the Karmic Sexual Imprints of all past relationships from present and previous lives.once that is done the couple is given a date to consummate their relationship. THAT is marriage.
BUT u can do the meditation IQhunk posted to get rid of imprints from other relationships to solidify ur relationship, that DOES work

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Unmoved
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posted April 04, 2008 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Jane - Hold it. Hold it.

I am planning on getting married, getting ready to, if I decide it's a good idea. I am not engaged. I haven't accepted any proposals (two), but I am mulling over things.

Being asked for one's hand in marriage is not something to congratulate if you decline the offer. I was told to take my time though, and I am, with both guys.
They are both currently my Exs. Like belgz, I don't see the point quite yet.

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Lara
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posted April 04, 2008 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
may I ask Venus, where the meditation that IQ posted is please? I need it!!!

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amowls
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posted April 04, 2008 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but does anyone else feel like Magi is the Scientology of Astrology? It's so sensationalistic and they promise you the secret to unlocking true love or money aspects, but only if you pay them $400.

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venusdeindia
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posted April 05, 2008 06:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message
lara,
that meditation is in soul unions.think i should post it here ??

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