posted April 06, 2008 11:28 AM         

It's SO prevalent, that I've given up on relationships all together. I just don't care anymore. I'll never be in one, I'll forever scam off the left over affection and misplaced anger.

I'm going to post my chart. Can someone help me pinpoint where it says in my "natal promise" that I'll NEVER have a healthy relationship?

posted April 06, 2008 11:38 AM         

I like Placidus better, my Moon is in the 8th for an apparent reason .

posted April 06, 2008 12:58 PM         

I definitely think you can and will find love.

But there has to be a reason why you are drawn to men, who are unavailable. Is there something inside of you that maybe doesn`t want to get involved in a real comitted relationship?
I mean, of course you consciously want to have a relationship, but maybe there is also some fear of it underneath.

I myself have the knack to develop serious crushes on musical actors, who are preferably gay.
I guess, that sais more about me than about them in the end.
It sais that I indeed want the excitement of having a crush, but that I definitely have a great fear of becoming involved with someone; and that fear of becoming involved most probably has something to do with a deep rooted fear of intimacy, I`d say.
Not sure how to handle this. But I guess my pattern won`t change, before *I* change, which I am trying to do now.
But I have to start with myself, not with others.

And in a way I think that goes for everyone who has noticed some unhealthy pattern in relationships. The only person who can change it is you.
But you can change it, just it will take some time and very much honesty towards yourself I guess.

If I see the whole thing totally wrong, I`m sorry. But these were my thoughts.

posted April 06, 2008 02:13 PM         

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Alana, I mean this with love, honestly...but if you dont want to be the other woman, and want to break the cycle, maybe you should refuse to take part in them?

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Well, here's the thing. I never know I'm the other woman till it's too late and I'm deeply emotionally involved.
Thanks for all the responses, you guys

DD,
I think you may be onto something. I do have issues with commitment, but I want the opportunity to surpass those issues. I know that I'll find love sometime and that its unrealistic to believe it will "never" happen.

posted April 06, 2008 03:01 PM         

Could Venus/Uranus sextile over the AC have somthing to do with commitment issues?

Also can Saturn in 12th mean secret restrictions or limitations? Not sure what i'm talking about here so if it's all rubbish tell me to shut up!

I guess Scorpio sun makes you keep your emotions to yourself until you feel comfortable, which then might be too late and the guy has moved on emotionally?

My SO has a similar sun/moon/ac to you. He's leo/sun, sag/moon and scorp/ac. OH BOY! is he up and down. One minute close as anything, the next on the other side of the room (emotionally speaking)

posted April 06, 2008 06:29 PM         

I feel like giving up, but I know that doesn't make sense. The larger issue is the overpowering 12th house influence and what I can do to mitigate it. I also think it has to do with Uranus opposite the DC and Saturn opposite the DC. I bet subconsciously I'm attracted to things I can't have, and so I probably attract these situations into my life. The Venus (5th ruler) T-Square with Mars and Moon probably tells some wicked tale about me constantly getting involved with emotionally unavailable men (yet always "physically" available) ...I feel like I'm grasping at straws here...

posted April 06, 2008 08:25 PM         

Your pre-natal solar eclipse is in degrees Libra.

"you will give generously in a primary relationship, but once you feel the other person is asking you to cross the line of fairness, your attentions leave the relationship. You always have an ongoing relationship, and if your partner does not share fairly with you, you simply begin sharing with someone else. In this situation you teach the value of sharing through removing yourself (physcially or emotionally)
from the relationship."

"You have the ability to teach your fellow beings the subtleties of developing balance and harmony in their lives. You have an intuitive sense of what is fair in all ares of life, especially in relationships. Thus you will draw people to you who are either selfish, overly independent, or extremely childlike. You can meet with great resistance as you teach these people the give and take of life. The balance in any one on one relationship is a very fine line between giving and receiving, and the majority of those with whom you come in contact are excessively attached to either one of the other. Because of your innate need never to settle for less than half or to give more than half, you may find yourself moving from one relationship to the next. As you teach this lesson you must keep your sense of fairness in balance, for if you become unbalanced, you can end up teaching the lesson through your own misuse of the sharing energies. Those who are in balance and teaching in a positive mode make excellent lawyers, counselors and advisors of all kinds for which your ability to sit on the fence you can truly see both sides and aid both parties in finding an amiable solution"

~Spiritual Astrology by Jan Spiller

posted April 06, 2008 08:36 PM         

"The very process of standing up for your beliefs creates change. With change there is growth. Without growth nothing can exist. You are learning to become independent. Coming from a history of over dependency on others, you are not accustomed to functioning as a seperate being. But if you ae to be happy in any relationship, you must first gain your independence, for if you marry before you define yourself, you will surrender before the battle of identity is won. Then you could fall back into past life patterns of becoming too dependent on those around you, and postpone finding your own strength and courage until your mate decides that he or she is tired of holding you up. If you wait to be shoved out the door, you are making your lesson more difficult than the universe intends it to be. What you need to learn is to function independently, within society and relationships, simultaneously contributing to the whole and benefiting from the whole. If you cannot do this within a relationship, you will find it necessary to separate yourself to learn this lesson before you can live harmoniously with another. Another important lesson you are learning it not to be afraid to start over. The Aries energy is one of new beginnings. This ability to begin anew must be incorporated into your soul growth pattern. Another lesson is that one assertiveness. Because of a fear of not being right, you allow mates and associates to make all the decisions/ You have learned in the past to value the decisions of others over your own. You also have a tendency to attract strong willed people who are very assertive"

I don't know if any of this makes sense or helps. This book just kind of fell out at me and I felt like typing it up. Best of wishes to you

posted April 07, 2008 07:31 PM         

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Who u tryin to fool!!!?

You're a coke-snortin, stripper chick, who gets off on be the "other" girl!!! (that's astrology in action folks!!! )

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posted April 07, 2008 08:41 PM         

Alanabelle,

Real quick; you have endured tPluto assaulting all of your planets for as long as you can remember. This had to be hard. Read up on pluto transits and I think you'll identify with them.

These pluto transits would activate your venus-pluto natal aspect.

posted April 08, 2008 01:27 PM         

Putting astrology aside as did DD, I do this, too. Attract emotionally/physically unavalaible men.

It goes way, way back. Way back to early childhood.

In all intellectualism, I really to want a mutually satisfying relationship.

But there is something there energetically, that always brings them to me.

I have even considered this issue going back to beyond this lifetime, cause I have tried and tried to figure it out.

And I keep trying...

I have resigned in my 46 years to re-main single, you are so young, hopefully you can find the answer. If I had begun to soul search at your age, maybe, just maybe...

posted April 08, 2008 05:22 PM         

Also, you have Chiron in Gemini in the 7th house. Chiron represents our idea of our soulmate, so you tend to be attracted to men who like to have 2 women (gemini = twins). Your Chiron is squared by Uranus meaning that you tend to get involved in relationships that are unpredictable, unusual and frown upon by society.

One more thing, you have a triple square made by moon, venus and Mars. So what you have is an attraction to conflicts. There is a part of you that feels compelled to engage in competition with other women and fighting other women over a man's affection.

posted April 08, 2008 10:17 PM         

GL =

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Chiron represents our idea of our soulmate, so you tend to be attracted to men who like to have 2 women (gemini = twins)

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Wow thats a fascinating way of looking at it. Both my bf and I have Chiron in Gemini. Does it necessarily mean 2 women or perhaps a type of duality? I didn't know Chiron meant soulmates. Sounds pretty cool