posted April 08, 2008 01:24 PM         

also if you use quincunx as a major aspect,then why not the semisextile? If a planet is quincunx an angle,it's semisextile the opposite angle.

If you look at 4-5 degree quincunx in the 12th harmonic chart,the planets/points would not be close to being in conjunction.

for instance.
I have Moon quincunx Pluto with 2'19 orb.
If I look at it in 12th harmonic chart, the planets are in separation of 27'57. That's no way near a conjunction.

I feel that I can relate to having a Moon-Pluto aspect, but I have Moon sesquiquadrate Sun/Pluto - '06 any way.

I do believe that the 5th,7th,and 9th harmonic aspects are valid. I don't put much emphasis on them unless they have either tight orb or part of an aspect configuration....especially if it has a corresponding midpoint picture.

also primary 9th harmonic is 40 degrees.

I definitely wouldn't use 2 degree orb for 7th harmonic aspects. I use 1 degree orb for them. I don't like using more than 1 degree orb for 5th harmonic aspects.

I have Sun biquintile Midheaven - '06
I have Mercury biquintile Eris - '06

btw...I don't see minor aspects as minor. They just require smaller orbs. Robert Hand said that in his book,HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS too.
semisquare and sesquiquadrate can be significant aspects if they are within half a degree orb. Cosmobiologists,Uranian Astrologers see them as more important than trine and sextile.

It really depends on the system.

I am considering using orbs in proportion to the harmonic.

posted April 08, 2008 03:53 PM         

We have pretty different takes on what works based on our experience and personal bias I guess. I think midpoint pics are ok if they substantiate what is already there with the basics. I have been studying the quincunx for a couple of years pretty closely and am pretty sure at this point a 4 degree orb is justified.

There are dif approaches to orb. I have been working with john addy's notion that there are 12 primary aspects which would lead to a starting point of 12 for a conjunction, 6 for an opposition and so on. These orbs do work well in my experience. I have not seen an authentic square working beyond 3 degrees. It was always a stretch to feel a square at 5-6. Same for a sextile which gets 2 orb with this system.

The problem with arbitrarily assigning 1 deg orb to all minor aspects is it ignores the notion that the number 5 is more fundamental than 9 as it divides a circle into less parts. A 2.4 orb for a quintile seems legit and a 1.3 for novile does as well. The problem is with the multiples of 5 and 9.

In all honesty, while I have definitely seen the quintile and novile working as an aspect many times, I never really see the binovile, quadnovile or biquintile manifest alone. When I come across it my thought is always - "I guess its there, I just dont know the person/situation well enough, etc." Which leads me to believe that they either dont really exist or they only exist as a harmonic system with their primary in aspect. When there is a series of septiles or quintiles in relationship with each other - the bi and tri versions of the aspect count. When the quadnovile occurs alone it is not activated.