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Topic: is Mars conjunct Saturn SO BAD??
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Lara
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From: London
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posted April 14, 2008 10:02 AM
 
Hi everyone,My boyfriends Saturn is conjunct exact my Mars in synastry.
My mars in in my 10th house conjunct my MC and his saturn is in his 6th house conjunct his DC. This aspect also:
opposes our neptune conjunct neptune (on my IC and his AC)
trines my pluto/uranus conjunct in 2nd house and his mercury, venus, pluto in 10th house. My saturn (which conjuncts my moon/venus/NN) is trine his sun and mars in his 9th and moon in his 1st. In fact they form a Grand Trine.
Is our relationship DOOMED because of this mars/saturn conjunct please?
Everyone is saying how bad it is  This is our compatibility otherwise, using the John Halloran's "Astrol Deluxe" Software by running a number based Synastry.
Harmonious Communication Index ------ +5,517
Inharmonious Communication Index ----- -1,698
RATIO ------------------------------ 3.25
Total Communication Index ----------- +7,215
Apparently, a 2.1 RATIO is hard to achieve! Thanks for any advice.
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Belage
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posted April 14, 2008 10:30 AM
"Everyone is saying how bad it is "Who is the Everyone? IP: Logged |
mblover
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posted April 14, 2008 10:37 AM
Mars Conjuct Saturn is not bad depending on how you look at it. Saturn gives cautiousness to Mars.. So you will find this person is serious and before expressing his aggression he will double check practically whether his aggression is right or not..There might delays for him to make decisions.. but it's not bad.. If your Mars and his Mars Sextiles or Trines, then you are totally fine... IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted April 14, 2008 10:38 AM
aaarrrggggghhhhhis mars is square my mars
ok, now it sounds bad!
Belage, well people on astrology sites and also when l google "mars conjunct saturn+synastry"
Do you think it's all a load of hot air and is ok? IP: Logged |
winky_winky
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From: SPAIN
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted April 14, 2008 10:43 AM
That depends on the astrologer and the other aspects, definitely u cant place all the rship on the one aspect... ONe of the best books written on synastry, Nance McCulloughs´"Love Formulas" states that the worst is mars sq uranus, so there u go... But i think that a mars sq saturn is not good either, you might find that with time there is friction between saturns´seriousness and mars gaiety and personal drive... All squares with saturn, pluto and uranus are bad in synastry but they have other effects, so to say, the other side of the story, for example mars sq pluto is supposed to be sexy but manipulating, so there u go...IP: Logged |
blue moon
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Registered: Dec 2007
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posted April 14, 2008 10:44 AM
Now do I recall G.V commenting on this aspect in your 'pick which synastry chart' thread, am I right? My true answer is are your instincts any good? If they are, let them be the guide. The synastry can help you along, it doesn't provide the answer. I don't think any one aspect spells doom for a relationship. If it helps this aspect is on my synastry chart as part of a Grand Cross. We've lived together for 15 years so it can't be that bad. But his is really Sun CNJ Saturn which says more about his dedication to his work than anything else. The sign involved is Aquarius, so controlling really doesn't come into it. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted April 14, 2008 10:48 AM
well, this is mars conjunct saturn that i'm on about but we do also have moon square uranus and pluto, mars square sun, mars square mercury and mars square neptune.But we also have eros trine psyche, eros conjunct venus, venus square mars, venus trine mars, moons trined, sun trine moon, sun conjunct AC, NN trine sun/moon so there are so great aspects too. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted April 14, 2008 10:53 AM
Hi Blue moon,thanks. Yes, GV was one of many... but l don't hold it against her at all. Sadly, my instincts are totally out of whack at moment and it's so hard to get clarity on them. I think part of me no longer trusts my instincts due to a v nasty divorce to a man l should never have married, in my right mind. As long as there is no potential for violence then l don't mind. To be honest, l have a stellium in Aries and l don't like it to be that easy going. Too many trines and sextiles just put me to sleep 
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Belage
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posted April 14, 2008 11:14 AM
Lara, every couple's synastry has good and bad. Okay, Mars conjunct Saturn does not add fun or pleasure to the relationship, but it's better than Mars square Saturn. If I were you, I'd be more concerned about his Saturn squaring my Neptune. There is a lot of squares in your aspects with him. You said you have a stellium in Aries, so you are probably attracted to "conflicting" aspects. If you like it, I love it! ETA: I look at the rest of your aspects, and I just don't see where the fun part of the relationship is. What is it that you like so far about the relationship?
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blue moon
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posted April 14, 2008 11:19 AM
Maybe read through what she said again? If this aspect is bothering you that may be your instincts kicking in. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted April 14, 2008 11:21 AM
Wait!!!!I just noticed that your saturn conjuncts your moon/venus/NN. So you're drawn to Saturnian situations naturally. You probably don't like having fun. You should be fine in this relationship!! LOL! IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted April 14, 2008 11:24 AM
Hey Belage,
What are fun aspects please? We do have a lot of fun and laugh a lot... not sure what you mean I will blue moon... thanks
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Lara
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posted April 14, 2008 11:26 AM
LOLl do like having fun!!!!!
Actually, i'm known for being fun... jupiter rules my 5th - that might be it. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted April 14, 2008 11:30 AM
Fun aspects have to do with Jupiter, trines or sextiles with Venus, positive Neptune aspects. What Jupiter aspects do you have natally and which ones you share with him?IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted April 14, 2008 11:38 AM
ok in synastry we have
my venus opposing his jupiter which is no fun lol
no positive neptune aspects to inner planetsI have natally
venus trine jupiter
1) jupiter conjunct AC in Leo and his SUN is conjunct my AC
2) jupiter trine moon and his sun/moon/mars is trine my moon and his sun/moon mars is trine my venus
3) jupiter trine saturn and his sun/moon/mars is trine my saturn!
4) jupiter square mars/neptune and his sun/mars conjuncts my jupiter. moon trines it. he has natally
jupiter trine NN
He seems to be the one who doesn't like to have fun!!! LOL
Thanks Belage for helping me so much, l really appreciate it. I just don't wanna make a huge mistake here, you know? In synastry, our 5th, 6th, 7th house rulers are conjunct, if that means anything. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted April 14, 2008 11:39 AM
Lara, I see that your boyfriend's Saturn trines his mercury, venus, pluto. So he is very much a Saturnian type too, just like you.I think you 2 should be fine with the relationship. Just don't try to do illegal, unlawful, or anti-social things together. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted April 14, 2008 11:44 AM
Okay Lara, I just saw your post:
I don't like it that your venus opposes his jupiter. I don't like it that there are no positive neptune aspects. Natally, you do seem to have some nice Jupiter aspects to balance all that heavy and dour Saturn: venus trine jupiter
jupiter conjunct AC in Leo
jupiter trine moon
jupiter trine saturn
jupiter square mars/neptune: umm, not so great, but it's not terrible either. My question again to you is: What is it that you like in this relationship? What do you get out of it?
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Lara
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posted April 14, 2008 11:50 AM
Sorry Belage, l amended my post above to include his aspects to my natal aspects!I like the way he gets me and how we interact. I'm a very deep person and he understands and allows me to be deep and out of the box ! lol Thing is, would a lighter, fun relationship be better for me cos l am never attracted to those types... they kinda put me off cos they don't seem to be able to keep up with me and l get bored. hmmm... there are things that bother me but they are not biggies and l think all relationships have warts etc... perfection and smooth sailing doesn't exist, and l don't think l want it anyway!! IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted April 14, 2008 11:57 AM
Lara, relationships are as unique as the individuals involved, so while there are general astrological guidelines, there is no such thing as a universal dealbreaker, imo. Ex: for many people, Uranus square Venus would be a deal breaker, but if those 2 involved are very Uranian natally, they might be fine with the up and down and unconventionalness of their relationship. They might go through wife swapping, husband swapping, long distance relationships, and still be married 50 years later. lol. IP: Logged |
mblover
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posted April 14, 2008 11:57 AM
Lara, Could you post charts?IP: Logged |
Geocosmic Valentine
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From: New York, NY
Registered: Sep 2007
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posted April 14, 2008 12:04 PM
Hi Lara,First let me say to you and everyone, please stop using words like DOOMED and NIGHTMARE, etc. when describing aspects that express stress which is what moves this earth on it's axis. Stress is needed at all times. Please allow some reality into the new age jargon of astrology. With that said I will ask you, Lara, do you feel at all controlled by this man? Keywords for Saturn are: control, discipline, rules, responsibility, organization, teacher, authority, father, heavy, gravity, hard, stone, rocks, grounding, business, teeth, bones, skin, boundaries, etc. and millions of other words. Keywords for Mars: action, aggression, adrenaline, fueled, anger, sex, fire, etc. Saturn has more weight, so to speak, than Mars so with his Saturn sitting on your Mars - why don't YOU tell us how he influences you? How long have you been together? As your relationship grows you may find that you like that he guides your actions within your career or you may find that he hinders your work. It will work out individually for your individual relationship with this man. Can you teach us, right now, how it may have influenced you already? Please teach us something about it. That's how astrologers learn how to counsel others about these aspects. You may have attracted this man into your life in order to teach you something about yourself and it's possible that you need Saturn on your Mars right now or through out your relationship however long it lasts. It may last forever, but please stop saying DOOMED. On the flip side, about the negative, you may find a day when you were glad that someone said to you "keep an eye out for that aspect. Just keep your eye on it." The whole reason we ask for insight is to guide us and to be forwarned is to be fore armed. Please teach us how it works in your relationship, Lara. I know I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance. Geocosmic Valentine IP: Logged |
Lara
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From: London
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted April 14, 2008 12:05 PM
Belage - l agree and this is why l have a problem cos i'm so bad at looking at synastry and 'flow'.
the reason l picked up on GV's mars/saturn aspect is that l have 3 kids and l cannot afford to have another nightmare relationship like my last one! I really don't need fireworks and pistols at dawn, you know?mblover - Sure, no worries. having a problem with imageshack... is there a way to post directly onto the thread please?
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Lara
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posted April 14, 2008 12:52 PM
OK Geocosmic, thank you for that indepth post. I had a quick look at all my synastry's with my ex's and the only two that had no mars/saturn hard aspects were both my ex husbands LOL
I'm laughing cos they were my worst too relationships!!!Now, it may not even be linked. I don't know.... l have known this guy for 4 months now. He lives in USA and l live in UK.
So, we talk alot, alot, alot on skype and then meet up every month for 5 days. I just feel like l can trust him, and there is something about him that l recognize. I feel safe with him. He looks after me so well... he cooks for me and runs me candlelit baths... now, admittedly part of it could be that l leave my life and kids behind when we meet up, so l can relax more - l feel that sometimes l try to get him to answer things the way l want them to be answered, and this annoys him as his answers are his own. I am more romantic yet he is more compassionate. I learn from him and he forgives me everything. He is incredibly patient with me and brings out the best in me. If we fight, we get to a point where we both can say sorry, chill out and then have a laugh. We allow ourselves to be ourselves, unless l want him to say something that he doesn't feel like saying. He is very much a man and we are both drama King and Queen of pain in the A** with each other sometimes. My concern is that it is not easy to keep this relationship up, and it really needs to be something serious if we are to continue meeting up. He says "I have very strong feelings for you" and "i love you". I believe him. I just am trying to balance it all, with kids at school etc.
I tried to end it yesterday - cos l had a freak out and was impulsive! (have you noticed how many planets are in Aries at moment)... and he was so unhappy. I was so distraught that l surprised even me! So we made up... seems like we are unable to contemplate breaking up... too painful. We have fallen hard without really realising it, l guess. One more thing - l can't do the 2.4 children, husband has 9-5 job, wears a suit kinda thing. It just doesn't fit with me. It's all my 9th house and Aquarian DC l think... IP: Logged |
winky_winky
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From: SPAIN
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted April 14, 2008 12:56 PM
Belage, YOU ARE KILLING ME......... In the rship i have with this guy i fancy rotten, there is some much Uranus you could bake a cake and still have some left..... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh... So yes, he is flirtin forever with people, even strays and i cannot stop but keep loving him... And I am heavily Gemini-ladden, what with all air in my chart, but I AM a taurus with a leo moon...... So what am i supposed to think and assume that we will be forever have this unconventional rship in which we both feel strongly about each other but have tu put up with uranus on and off-ness and "excitements"? Gaaaaaaaaaaaaarhhhhhhh....
LARA, forget about synastry for a while, what puzzles me is you are taking synastry so seriously THAT is a warning sign... meaning u are not comfortable with sthing about you and him? Saturn squares with ANYTHING and other aspects to Saturn show, most of all, and this is something i am positive, L O N G E V I T Y. So preapre for a long journey i would say... What does anyone else think here about this?IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted April 14, 2008 01:06 PM
winky - l agree that l am probably taking it too seriously. When l manage to get my chart up, check out all the seriousness in it!!!! LMAO
don't worry about Uranus... uranus gives spice 
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