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Topic: Reality vs The Elements: The Jung Perspective
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winky_winky
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From: SPAIN
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted April 21, 2008 01:36 PM
 
Hi Snowflakes,
i thought i would ask ur opinion about this interesting read i had yesterday, in which it stated that in many cases planets that represent "similar" needs need to be reconciled.
Say your Moon is in cancer and your venus in gemini u might be comfy with nurturing, mother-type women whereas u might be more attracted to the flighty, flakey gemini-influenced gal.
Apparently jung says there is no way of denying neither, u have to outgrow the conflict and reconcile both.......... Any insight?
Also i was wondering if u had experienced any conflict between your planets, like i have moon in leo squaring my taurus sun and i often find that what i feel is at odds with what i REALLY want.........
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Quinnie
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posted April 21, 2008 03:51 PM
Hi Winky yes I agree with what you said. Infact think that a client's astrological chart may be a great psychological tool for a therapist. When you look at the chart that way there does seem to be a purpose to it and further to that, an evolutionary purpose... Usually indicated by the nodes and Pluto.I do experience difficulty with my Libran Sun and it's ruler Venus in Virgo. Libra loves affection and coupledom and my Venus (in Virgo) seems to shy away from them. i feel in relationships I need a reminder to express my feelings and feel ok with thu hugs and the kisses that in my mind I want and crave for... Sometimes I'm just too busy doing the cleaning to realise I need a hug... IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted April 21, 2008 04:13 PM
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Apparently jung says there is no way of denying neither, u have to outgrow the conflict and reconcile both.......... Any insight?
I would agree with this, too. One of my big areas of conflict has been between my Capricorn Sun and Gemini Ascendant. Capricorn wants to be really conservative and contained while Gemini wants to be out engaging people. Since learning about astrology I try to let both sides express themselves.
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winky_winky
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From: SPAIN
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posted April 21, 2008 05:07 PM
acoustic though how deep do u think does your asc go? i keep reading it is only ur mask, they way u present urself, and an astrologer i very much respect always blahhhhhhhhhs the asc saying it only relates to the physiqueso dunno... but then again i think u might only say that as regards planets that embody "similar" needs,like sun - ego and mars- personal drive
moon-feelings and venus-relating quinnie my conflict goes deeper i think, i very much relate to the earth-mother type as depicted for a taurus woman yet i am quite happy relating as a gem and acting as one, both being ruled by gem (venus and mars) Also my rules and limits are quite mercurial also (saturn in gem), and my thoughts are fiery, so overall u see i act accordingly yet i have deeper yearnings like when i look around and would like to see MORE EARTHY facts... Puzzling or what? IP: Logged |
winky_winky
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posted April 21, 2008 05:09 PM
u are going to laugh at that:apparently he had a lover (male) whom he had dinner every night, yet he would spend weekends and familiar occasions with his wife,etc. (jung, that is) Practical astrology.......... IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted April 21, 2008 05:36 PM
The Ascendant is stronger than you've probably been made to believe. It starts your 1st house, which is the house of identity, and whatever planet rules the sign of your Ascendant is said to be your "Chart ruler."IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted April 21, 2008 05:51 PM
Al those psychologists were just trying to treat themselves, I mean Freud and the oedipus complex... Come on! Perhaps what Freud was describing was his own astrological conflict Sun square Moon perhaps?
(Didn't know that about Jung!)
Your sun is the biggest influence in your chart yeah? I think of it as the energy and the ascendant the vehicle, both are important. One exists without the other but yet what is a car without petrol! lol IP: Logged |
winky_winky
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From: SPAIN
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted April 21, 2008 05:55 PM
u might be right,jpiter is in my 2nd house and money is ok jupiter rules 9th and my moon is there so probably that is why i like adventure and religion, philosophy, astrology... i am of bright outlook and always upbeat, typical sag rising, even though inside i might be hurting... u fnd u have a lot of gem traits? IP: Logged |
winky_winky
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Registered: Oct 2007
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posted April 21, 2008 06:00 PM
sorry acoustic that jupiter explanation is just my way of seeing things relating to jupiter as the chart ruler...Quinnie, u are right yet u see there is yet another conflict in elments combinatin, my asc might not get thru to others what my conscious will wants, even though it might reflect my needs (jup rsing, sun taurus moon in leo) freud sun sq moon? hmmmmmmmmmm
like me than surely he had to write all that analysis stuff to understand himself then... IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted April 21, 2008 06:05 PM
No he doens't have sun square Moon, I just looked it up and I'm so not good at posting links http://www.astrologyweekly.com/natal-charts/sigmund-freud.php maybe just copy and paste to address bar lol
Do you think that someone with planets in the same element have it easier.. This possibly causes an imbalance.
I'm a trinity of air sun, asc,Moon and then pretty much evenly divided into other elements. Think that keeps me grounded but it must take time to synthesise... Maybe by the first Saturn returnIP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted April 21, 2008 06:07 PM
Yes. The indecision, the fidgeting, the absolute avoidance of boredom, the multi-tasking. My Sag girlfriend calls me "jolly." I know a little bit about a lot of things. I learn very quickly. I can be fast at tasks depending on the nature of the task (sometimes my Cap Sun and Virgo Moon want to go slow to ensure things are done right, but if it's something on the computer I'm generally pretty fast, especially if it's a matter involving data). I also see puns and plays on words frequently.IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted April 21, 2008 06:13 PM
I meant to say I think that the other elemtns in my cahrt keep my grounded. What about your chart ruler what element is it in? Does that steady the Sun or Moon's influence?Acoustic the ascendant must be pretty powerful if you attracted a sag girlfriend despite your Cap sun and virgo moon IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted April 21, 2008 06:23 PM
My Sag has Capricorn Rising. She's got two planets in all the Mutable signs (if you include Chiron).I have a stellium in Sag. Her Sun sits on my Mercury. My Venus is 7 degrees away from that. Our Mars sextile by sign as do our Venuses. Her Moon is in my Ascendant sign.
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Quinnie
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posted April 21, 2008 06:35 PM
Very nice. I think chart rulers are so important in synastry. I see her sun on your mercury is a great indicator for compatibilityIP: Logged |
winky_winky
Knowflake Posts: 574
From: SPAIN
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted April 21, 2008 06:40 PM
well my rising is in sagittarius and it shows up quite strong, but maybe more than i care to admit....i am strongly imbalanced in air, lots of air and no water, so when i met my previous boyfriend who has no air and lots of water it was just BADAVOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!
Reminds me of the magnet in the fridge, just INSTANT attraction.... i think yes the elements well distributed is good, yet i read recently that the most important are, how not, the main luminaries plus mars & mercury, so that would be it really... outer planets dont count as much apparently... IP: Logged |
Lara
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From: London
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted April 21, 2008 07:19 PM
yeah l have a conflict with my sun (taurus) and rising (leo)*sigh*
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milyi
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posted April 22, 2008 12:00 AM
i think there is no conflict.my chart is a combination of cancer ,libra and sagittarius and even though the elements might seem incompatible they are not.humans are very complex beings, we are able to integrate and to express different areas of our personality.i can be emotional and needy but i can also be independent and intelectual.it's a matter of perspective:those who like me say i'm complex,those who don't think i'm weird.IP: Logged |
jane
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posted April 22, 2008 01:41 AM
Ideally, when there's a conflict like that, you'd find someone who is influenced by both signs."Say your Moon is in cancer and your venus in gemini u might be comfy with nurturing, mother-type women whereas u might be more attracted to the flighty, flakey gemini-influenced gal." Not a very pretty picture of a Gemini influenced gal.  But I get what you're saying. I think a woman could have some of both of those signs in her personality. She could be loyal, nurturing, and sensitive AND be witty, open-minded, and exciting. She may lean more heavily toward one side, but as long as she expressed both sides, she'd be the ideal match for the Cancer Moon/Gem Venus guy. I have both my Sun and Moon in fire signs and both my Venus and Mars in earth signs. Tipping my romantic interest in favor of men with feminine sun signs is Taurus on my Dsc and Pisces on my 5th. I haven't found it difficult to find men who appeal to both my fiery side and my earthy side. I've been involved with men with feminine Suns (usually earth) and, more often than not, masculine Venus and Mars (usually fire). Since so many of us have "conflicted" charts, we'll find good partners in others who have the same. I can relate to feeling a conflict between your planets. My Sun is in Sag but my Venus is in Cap. My personality and the way I express myself socially is more Sag than Cap, so in the past I often worried that men I was attracted to would be turned off when they met my Cap side. Although I didn't think about it in astrological terminology, I often wished that I was more casual and adventurous in my love life, instead of taking it all so seriously. In a love relationship, my Cap Venus first needs to feel secure & that the relationship is also important to my partner before I'm comfortable enough to be my Sag self. IP: Logged |
swirl-kitt
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posted April 22, 2008 08:56 AM
Wow Jane, my sister is just like you  She is a Sag with Venus in Cap and I always thought when we were younger that she would probably enjoy dating plenty of guys before she would decide to marry one. The reason I say that is because unlike me or some other people I know, she doesn't expect much from others in a conversation, she can be the source of energy herself. Apparently, she didn't enjoy dating many people and decided to marry a loyal man IP: Logged |
jane
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posted April 23, 2008 02:27 AM
swirl-kitt -
Yeah, I was never a dater. I've done a lot of stealth dating, where the guy wasn't aware that he was on a date with me  , us spending time together under the guise of "just friends" as I got to know him. I'm all or nothing...he's a friend or all MINE. Scorpio Asc you see, complexing up my Sag Sun even more. What's your sister's Asc? And what's your Sun and Venus? Do you have them in adjacent signs as well? IP: Logged |
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