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GeminiLover75
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posted April 28, 2008 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiLover75     Edit/Delete Message
This isn't one of those 'list the aspects' threads, but just something I was wondering about.

In our natal chart we have certain challenges that apparently we are supposed to master (for me, one of those challenges appears to be the yucky Saturn in 7th squaring Jupiter and Pluto). Well I've been reading one of Doreen Virtue's angel books, and she says that angels can perform miracles for us if we ask - and that while we do grow through struggles, we grow faster through peace. And so if we ask the angels to help us, we can erase the struggles and then get on with our lives in a much better way. Also there is the whole idea of the violet flame burning off karma. So how does this fit with astrology? If we overcome a particular struggle with the help of angels, prayer, violet flame, or ANYTHING like that, does that mean we didn't really overcome it because we didn't do it the hard way... or is the fact that we DID find a way to overcome it, enough in itself? What if it took years of searching and trying different things until you suddenly found the 'miracle cure'? Is the fact that you found a miracle cure not good enough for the universe because you were supposed to keep struggling? And if we didn't KNOW our natal chart, would the problems/challenges seem quite as big and unsolvable?

Just some random thoughts really...

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posted April 28, 2008 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for milyi     Edit/Delete Message
that is a very good question.karmic challenges are to be mastered with or without the help of asrology.actually the majority of people on the Earth never heard of astrology but can live their live and deal with their karma their own way.astrology is just one way of understanding life.as to the question of angels helping,to the best of my knowledge the Christian faith does not acknowledge karma and reincarnation.of course there is a difference between what is and what we acknowledge.

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posted April 28, 2008 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for izodesmozina     Edit/Delete Message
Ok, I'm not all that informed about karmic stuff, just what I read through the years. What I think is that you can ask your angels to remove some of the burden, but it's like you're postponing it for another life. The debt is not cleared, you still need to go through the hard stuff, but I think you have a choice as to when. It's a bit like procrastinating.
Besides, you always have a choice, even without the outside spiritual help. You can walk away, you can commit suicide, you can choose not to learn. But these choices will eventually bring more karma to bear. So the best thing, in my opinion, is just go with it, get it over with.
I am Saturn ruled, I don't expect things to work easily. I think explains my answer.

"we grow faster through peace" - to me, this means I choose not to fight the current, I understand that my life is what I've chosen before being incarnated and I had a reason to do so. I am at peace with my choices and my life. I am not angry at God for giving me a life of deprivation, bad health, bad family, bad luck, no love etc. I understand these are my choices and I respect them.
A bit too fatalistic hmm?

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posted April 28, 2008 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiLover75     Edit/Delete Message
It's interesting eh. Well if you use the violet flame it's supposed to burn off all your karma. And from what I'm reading about angels, you could ask them to remove your karma, transmute it, whatever. What if part of your learning in life is in fact to ask for spiritual help, and receive it? I mean, if you got led that way, why not use it? (Angels are non-denominational, btw, not just Christian)... It's a new topic that I'm learning about and it is raising a few questions as you can see!

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posted April 28, 2008 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiLover75     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe angels are not allowed to intervene in cases where it is necessary for a person to balance their karma by taking the 'hard road'. That would make sense. That way we can exercise our free will by asking, but the angels won't be indiscriminate about responding to each and every request if it's not in our best interests. What do you think?

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posted April 28, 2008 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
that's a very interesting question. this has been posted somewhere else..

i haven't read it all but it seems relevant.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/003408.html

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posted April 28, 2008 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for izodesmozina     Edit/Delete Message
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What if part of your learning in life is in fact to ask for spiritual help, and receive it?

This I need to ponder on... Very interesting thread btw!

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posted April 28, 2008 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jaymac18     Edit/Delete Message
I think that for everybody it is about learning that we are spiritual beings and we can ask for help, and I beleive it doesnt have to be that hard. But then realising that takes time and often struggling with the self. Learning self acceptance and self love can happen right now, but mostly takes years. Why does this have to be so. I have cap rising and saturn on my Asc. But sun sextile jup and jup in the 12th. Its taken me time to learn this,but for some not so long. Knowing your chart helps, but doesnt explain all!

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posted April 28, 2008 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiLover75     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, thanks for the link praecipua! That looks very interesting, I'll take some time to read that tonight.

The thing is, aren't we all responsible for our own lives? And to let our chart dictate that we have to struggle (based on the fact that we ran a chart at astro.com and saw a Saturn t-square), rather than taking responsibility for ourselves is kind of well... restrictive to our growth isn't it? Like you said, jaymac - aren't we all, in the end, here to advance ourselves spiritually... and if there are things available to us (eg angels, deities, crystals, etc) that can help us to overcome our struggles in this lifetime then doesn't it make sense to take advantage of it?

I'm not very knowledgable about the Bible or anything, but didn't Jesus (who even if you don't believe in him in a Christian sense, you have to admit he was at least a spiritual teacher) say something like "seek and you will find"? Knock and the door will be opened... ask and it is given... etc. ?

I myself have really struggled in the last couple of years - emotionally and physically. But now I'm at a point where I find I can do things like get energy healings, repair my aura, actually ask angels to come and do this or that for me (I've been doing this and it works) - so isn't getting to this point in fact a part of my growth, not something that will stunt it? Maybe it's what I've needed to do all along. There's something regenerative about it. (hmm, Mars is in my 8th house right now)...

Maybe I'm just being an overly-optimistic Sagi rising. (Also jaymac, I have Saturn square Jupiter, ie it squares my chart ruler - as well as sun trine ascendant, and sun and Jupiter both in the 5th house) so maybe we are in similar positions about this)...

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posted April 30, 2008 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for izodesmozina     Edit/Delete Message
You make a nice, optimistic point, which appeals to my 4 Sagi planets . I guess it cannot hurt, so why not?
I was thinking of Mary Magdalene and how her sins were "erased" because she repented and asked to be forgiven.
But... say you murdered somebody in a previous life... you get away with it just like that?
I'm sorry, I still have a hard time understanding this could actually be possible.

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posted April 30, 2008 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiLover75     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe it would depend on how much the murderer suffered for it in the life where they did the murder? That's always a tough question. Pretty much the same question that Christians ask - can a murderer be forgiven and go to Heaven? (The answer is usually yes)...

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posted April 30, 2008 05:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for robyn.c     Edit/Delete Message
belief kills and belief cures.
i think what you believe is/will be true for you.

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