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posted April 30, 2008 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, folks its another plutonic type thing from me again. I have been getting very obsessive about my pluto which I haven't really bothered to really observe until now and I feel I have learnt so much about it.

But anyway, this is more of an 8th question. What do you feel about death? Are you scared, ambivilent or looking forward to it?

My 8th house cusp is on scorpio. My pluto is in the 6th in libra, conj DC. I have nep, vertex and NN in my 8th. My NN is unaspected except it is conj with my vertex. My nep is conj my jup/asc. I am not ready to die and quite frankly wouldn't like it to happen *now* but I look forward to dying one day. Do you ever meet those people that say "I want to live forever"? I take it that when they say this, they mean that they would like to live forever on this planet. I wouldn't. I feel that when I die I will go to a better place, that I will be going home and that I will finally be laid to rest and have some peace. I want that peace and the thought of living forever in this mundane dimension torments me. I found "Interview With A Vampire" terribly disturbing because of this element. I feel that I will live forever though but in another plane in peace with maybe a great soul (God).

So please folks, I'd like us to share our opinions. Tell me what you think of death and even the afterlife.

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starrym
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posted April 30, 2008 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starrym     Edit/Delete Message
i def dont take death lightly. i have my sun and merc in the 8th. i think its a pretty serious matter as it involves the death of the ego, as i see it. because of this, i dont joke about it lightly and dont see the intelligence in living life recklessly and wasting your time here not putting your best into the moments you have.

ive def had my phases of thinking about death all the time. not in a bad way or a gory way, just in a ego-has-to-die-eventually way. i think people shouldnt ignore death as if itll never happen but i understand not obsessing about it and depressing yourself. i think there can be things learned from keeping it in mind and not believing you will overcome nature.

as for the after death, i believe the super-soul lives on.. or rather the part of you that is not the ego.

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posted April 30, 2008 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for that starrym, that was very interesting and relates well to what you have described in your chart!

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wild sheep
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posted April 30, 2008 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wild sheep     Edit/Delete Message
I'm fine with it (although with my 8th in Gemini, I can think of some...not so great ways it could come for me in the end). This is not to say I'm looking forward to it or doing anything to hasten its arrival (non-drinker, non-smoker, non-drug user, safe driver, etc.). But I don't fear it. It is just another kind of transformation.

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blue moon
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posted May 01, 2008 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
In the modern Western world many people have never seen death in action, not until they are quite mature in years. So it only increases the fascination. Maybe that is why it gets on the T.V screen so much. We don't get to see the reality.

Unfortunately, I have seen it up close and personal. I had time to prepare (and I insisted I nursed this person at home so they didn't have to die in hospital) but it still wasn't the greatest moment of my life. Any fascination I have had has gone now.

So I think I shall put myself in the ambivalent section. It is going to happen to one day to all the people I love and to me as well. I'd prefer it came at a time when I didn't have any dependents to care for, but I have little choice in the matter.

Since coming on Lindaland I joined in a discussion on Ceres. I didn't know anything about it before. I laughed at the description of Sun CNJ Ceres which made me sound like Mother Earth. Then I read up on it and found my Ceres is in the 8th house. It made me feel quite choked, because that is like a hidden side of me that not many people know about. I certainly never thought I would be capable of nursing the terminally ill but I've done it and did it well. In some ways I think that is my life achievement done and I am on a steady walk home from now on. So that puts me even more in the ambivalent camp. There are no mountains I feel I have to climb before my time comes.

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belgz
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posted May 01, 2008 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
im petrified of dying im one of those people who want to live forever simply because im scared of what i dont know and if i think about it too much i freak out.
I picture it as a dark place where ill be alone and i have no idea or cant imagine what death feels like and the fact that ui cant prevent it or change it is even worse.
Regardless of the turmoil in my life im happy AND i hope to live a long life and i maintain my body by not smoking or drinking or taking drugs. I come first when it comes to these issues and though this sounds bad and selfish but i respect myself and body and my life because i have to live with me and with who i am for a long time.I hope i die at an old age so i can see my grandchildren and kids grow up and make sure everyone else is ok. But then again i havnt had anyone i know die yet so maybe i might overcome my fears when other people die i might wish to be with them one day...

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praecipua
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posted May 01, 2008 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
i think about death often. i've got the sun in my eight house, and my eight house is in aquarius. i relate to what starymm said about hearing the clock ticking and trying to avoid to waste time.
also, my dad died when i was 13 and he kind of gave me an idea of what wasting time would look like...

even though it might sound quite tragic, i'm actually looking forward to die. i'm not asking to die tomorrow obviously. but providing it doesn't come in a scary event, i think i'm gonna look at it as a liberation.

in my experience, the reason why i'm not scared and why i'm even looking forward to it is because death seems a natural part of life to me (8th house sun?), and because of that, i try to live according to this understanding in my day-to-day life. so to do that for 70 or 80 years will be enough and death will come as a relief.

i'm more disturbed when it comes to others who suffer from the death of a relative. i feel the distress of other poeple towards death and their vulnerability can be overwhelming.

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darkdreamer
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posted May 01, 2008 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
I`m with belgz on this one.

I am terribly afraid of dying. Probably because it is so much of a change and I have to let go completely. And letting go was never easy for me.

But unlike some here I actually witnessed some people dying.
Both of my granddad`s were in our house, so our family could take care of them, and they died at home.
The granddad of my mother died in a hospital, which we visited every second day. It was the first death I witnessed consciously, as I was 3.
But seeing your grandparents die, as sad as this is, it`s a part of life.

But what was really traumatic to me, was when the boyfriend of my eldest friend, and thus a good friend of mine, died in a motorcycle accident in 2002. He hadn`t even turned 25.
It`s hard to deal with death, when it strikes so suddenly and "unfairly".

Regarding myself I have learned (emotionally) from all of this, that nothing is secure and that your safety can be crushed in one single moment. Maybe that is the reason that made me hold on to things and emotions too tightly, like to "force" some illusion of security, because deep inside I am convinced of the fragility of life and security.
I also experience panic attacks thinking I am going to die any moment now and then, because if others are ripped from life so surprisingly, it could happen to me, also, couldn`t it?

I KNOw that these thoughts are silly and ridiculous, but that is an emotional thing for me. And emotionally I am very afraid of dying, going away, leaving it all behind.

Well, Cancer is on the cusp of my 8th house; the ruler Moon is in Aquarius in my 2nd house with an exact quinkunx to Saturn, which is in t urn in Cancer in my 8th house.

DD

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alanabelle86
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posted May 01, 2008 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message
Well, death can't be any worse than life can it? I've witnessed death too, and I've come to realize that all in all. It's part of nature, and not something that should be feared. I think it's only feared because it's the only thing no one can prepare you for.

Cancer on the 8th, with the Moon in the 8th. I'm more afraid of what comes after... Saturn in the 12th.

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blue moon
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posted May 01, 2008 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
We (presuming you are in a country with a low child morality rate) assume we are going to get to our Three Score Years and Ten. Complacent with the society wide effects of vaccines and antibiotics, we don't have to face the daily reality of children dying. That is a local paper headline event, and it gets remembered for 20, 30 years afterwards. Similarly so with a young person like DD's friend, only 25. I can remember the names of boys from my town who died aged 16, 18, on roads and in freak accidents from way back when.

When something like this hits you in the face you get to see the harsh reality of life. It's randomness is quite frightening, so no wonder we try to protect ourselves from this in whatever way we can.

It also explains why the perennial 'bird flu' scare story has such a powerful effect.

Hey, I have Moon CNJ Pluto and Scorpio Rising. I sit and think about this stuff. I don't talk about it much though.

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wheelsofcheese
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posted May 01, 2008 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message
I'm very frightened of dying and I'm very frightened of living forever. I'm with you on the vampires thing 23. I dream of vampires a lot.

My greatest fear is a long terminal illness because at this point in time I haven't come to terms with death. I haven't experienced any death in my life, same as you belgz. Hats off to you blue moon, I would try to care for a terminally ill person but I'm not sure how well I'd do it. I would fear making the experience worse for that person through my fear.

My second greatest fear is being the oldest person in the world, where everybody older than me that I loved has died.

I think we are all immortal though, but I just don't know where. Does that make sense?

I have no planets in the 8th, but the 8th is ruled by Pisces. Pluto's in Libra so I get the same conflict of opinion all the time when I think about death. I really hate the predominance of Libra sometimes.

I'm going to have a look where Ceres is though. I don't know the significance of Ceres - do you have a link to that discussion please blue moon?

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blue moon
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posted May 01, 2008 07:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
I'll have a look, I think it might be one Glaucus started. It could be tricky to find.

Thought I'd mention this book in case anyone is interested in this subject astrologically. It isn't the easiest tome about:


http://www.amazon.com/Astrology-Death-Richard-Houck/dp/0964161257

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posted May 01, 2008 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Wheel O' Cheese - thats very interesting. I have nep in the 8th, you have pisces on the 8th. And I am with you, I have thought of being the last one standing in terms of age/people (and geriatrics are ruled by pisces) and that scares me too.

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wheelsofcheese
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posted May 01, 2008 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks BM!

Hi 23 - how odd, I wonder if there's something in that?

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Unmoved
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posted May 01, 2008 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
I can't wait to finally die!

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darkdreamer
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posted May 01, 2008 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
To those who "canīt wait to die" or look forward to it, may I ask why you want to die?


Oh and regarding vampires: I have always dreamed of them; actually the first dream I can remember was about a vampire, when I was 9 or so.
However, a few years ago I had a row of dreams of vampires (I have always been fascinated and afraid of them), but then I finally understood what the "vampire" symbolizes for me, and that is when those dreams stopped.
NOw, I almost miss them sometimes. There was something greatly dramatic (and sometimes even darkly erotic) to them. lol

DD

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posted May 01, 2008 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dazzled     Edit/Delete Message
"Death is only the beginning."
Lol couldn't resist that quote from The Mummy.

Well I won't say I can't wait to die, but death to me is like finally knowing the truth.
I remember I grew up having ideas about life and death, I seemed to be born with the idea that life/death are cycles. And when I was young I didn't want to live forever, in fact that was one of my greatest no-no.

I feel that we are born to learn, we die when we've finally done so. I always feel sad that I cannot know everything, see everything but then I get comforted because I think that when I die, I will have the chance to see/know what I couldn't when alive.

Death is scary because it is an unknown, the unfamiliar. And that's why we have to delve into it to seek and search and prod it.

Pluto is in my 8th house in Scorpio.
It trines my sun, opposes my moon. Sextiles my Neptune and trines my ascendant. It also has lesser aspects with my mercury, mars and venus.
I can't help but with a personal connection to the death/regeneration star!

p/s: I love Sailor Moon! Aside from Sailor Moon herself, the Soldier I was most fascinated with when I was young was Sailor Saturn. The Soldier of Death and Destruction...and also resurrection.

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posted May 01, 2008 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutomaki     Edit/Delete Message
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posted May 01, 2008 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
I'm looking forward to death because the body is limiting, and maybe my next form will allow me greater freedom than this one.

The body is heavy, weak and a huge bother. I really do feel a little uncomfortable in it. Although it is designed very well, I think it could have been done better.

If I get a body like this one after death, I would be disappointed.

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posted May 01, 2008 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutomaki     Edit/Delete Message
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posted May 01, 2008 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
"Death is only the beginning."
Lol couldn't resist that quote from The Mummy.
Well I won't say I can't wait to die, but death to me is like finally knowing the truth.
I remember I grew up having ideas about life and death, I seemed to be born with the idea that life/death are cycles. And when I was young I didn't want to live forever, in fact that was one of my greatest no-no.

I feel that we are born to learn, we die when we've finally done so. I always feel sad that I cannot know everything, see everything but then I get comforted because I think that when I die, I will have the chance to see/know what I couldn't when alive.


Yes, YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OF MY MOUTH .

I didnt mention it at the start of the post but I feel when I die, I will see what can happen in ways that I couldn't before. I also feel that my actions in my life will be played back to me but not only that, others who are around me or who have dealings with me will have their thoughts and emotions played back to me as well, then I will have full understanding of these people, it is like I will completely be them for the moments that I have this stuff played back to me. This must be scorpio's desire to see how things tick and I think it is is specifically for me the fusion of NN and vertex. They say the vertex acts like a DC, so hence the fusion aspect. Plus pluto in libra conj DC. Seriously, this stuff wasn't thought up on the spot, this is what I have always felt.

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posted May 01, 2008 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe belgz response is because they have aries (forever young?) on the 8th (I assume), complete opp to WOC and 23??

I can't really explain DD's similar reaction, must be the aspect mentioned.

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rainbowbody23
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posted May 01, 2008 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rainbowbody23     Edit/Delete Message
Okay, so this is really weird.

I have Cancer and Saturn in my 8th house.

I was just wondering while pondering my chart if I could find anything to indicate the death of nearly all of my nurturing, kind family members by the time I turned 14.

Would this be it?

Death is something I always think about, sometimes it seems like a preoccupation. When I am happy, not as much, but if I become the least bit unbalanced, its like walking a tightrope...

It does seem the older I get the more soothing it COULD seem, like the rest at the end of a long journey.

I am terrified at the idea of a violent/painful/sudden death. I get very imaginative about these things, I know alot of friends who have died young and unhappily. I dont like that I spend alot of time pondering this and it's a constant struggle not to think too much about it.
It is getting better, though.

I also have alot of body weirdness/ sensitivity. Like i all of a sudden feel freaked out to be in my skin, it feels unfamiliar and awkward. I look at my hands and it seems strange to have them. I remember the first time I had that feeling I was around 5 and in the bathtub.

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augentier
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posted May 01, 2008 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for augentier     Edit/Delete Message
In a way, I look forward to death...I don't want to die any time soon, I love experiencing life..but death is inevitable, we all go thru it..and honestly it's a little exciting. I don't believe in hell or heaven, or some judgemental god who will torture you for not going to church, I don't fear death..there is something comforting in it.

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Mercury:: Sagittarius
Venus::Scorpio
Mars::Pisces

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posted May 01, 2008 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
plutomaki - I don't know what it is. It's just that I don't fear death along with the fact that living within this body is a drag. I am healthy, but it still feels limiting. That's why I feel so revitalized after sleep because I can do all the things (in sleep) that my body can not do in the awaken state.

I feel this limitation the more I grow but I felt it at an early age, yes.

It's probably me being odd as usual.

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