posted May 01, 2008 06:04 PM         

If you haven’t done such a “relationship vs. natal”-Synastry yet - give it a try! ;-) I guess it would be interesting to discuss some experiences with that.

Here are the Synastries of my current relationship ("COUPLE") with my BF’s and with my own natal chart – I tried to “interperate” them a bit …

COUPLE’S // HIS

<b>Couple’s Sun in his 5th house
Couple’s Sun trine his NN</b>
The relationship appeals to his fun-prone side, supports his self-image and broadens his possibilities for self expression and new contacts

<b>Couple’s Moon in his 6th house
Couple’s Moon cj. his Vertex</b>
The relationship gives him a feeling of duty and purpose, he feels obliged to “serve” it in some way, maybe feels pressured to do so; but he also has a sense of “higher learning” with it, feels that it might be important and/or mind-opening to him to engage in this thing.

<b>Couple’s Mercury in his 6th house
Couple’s Mercury trine his Mars
Couple’s Mercury trine his Jupiter</b>
Again, the matters of service and duty are emphasized; for him this is a no-nonsense-talk-relationship, but a serious and sincere tone underlies all of it, work duty, planning; also, the communication inside the relationship supports his ambitions, hopes and broadens his horizons.

<b>Couple’s Venus in his 4th house</b>
He feels “at home” in this relationship, it appeals to his very intimate/personal needs of “belonging”, he can enjoy the comforts this relationships bring..

<b>Couple’s Mars in his 6th house
Couple’s Mars cj. his Saturn
Couple’s Mars oppos. his Uranus
Couple’s Mars trine his Neptune
Couple’s Mars oppos. his Pluto
Couple’s Mars oppos. his ASC
Couple’s Mars square his MC</b>
Aggravated, stressful! He feels pressured to do a lot of work for the sake of the relationship, there is “discipline” stamped all over for him, he won’t get through with his natural interest for power and control, he feels that there are some brakes put on his personal ambition and that he cannot express himself openly and freely within the relationship; he feels threatened and hindered in his life goal’s and in his wish for being the “ruler”.

<b>Couple’s Jupiter in his 12th house
Couple’s Jupiter oppos. his Vertex</b>
There is some unsconscious, very subtle profit for his personal growth in this relationship which he might not be aware of.

<b>Couple’s Saturn in his 7th house
Couple’s Saturn sextile his BM Lilith
Couple’s Saturn sextile his Juno
Couple’s Saturn sextile his NN</b>
The relationship seems to hinder his usual way of getting out and about; he feels confined and unsure with this relationship, as far as his previous/usual way of contacting other people are concerned. He might feel “suppressed” by a strong female influence and he feels pressed to think about serious bonding more than he ever did.

<b>Couple’s Uranus in his 1st house
Couple’s Uranus cj. his Venus
Couple’s Uranus square his Jupiter</b>
The relationship urges him to “change” his personality a bit, his image etc. He fell in love and entered the relationship quite rashly, and he sensed an unusual element to this relationship which appealed to him in the beginning. Also, he built high hopes on this relationship, maybe exaggerated his expectations right from the start.

<b>Couple’s Neptune in his 3rd house
Couple’s Neptune square his Sun
Couple’s Neptune sextile his Venus</b>
He has difficulties keeping a « cool head » in this relationship, it seems to cloud and weaken his sense of self, but he finds it very romantic and likes the dreamy nature of it.

<b>Couple’s Pluto in his 1st house
Couple’s Pluto square his Jupiter
Couple’s Pluto oppos. his Chiron
Couple’s Pluto oppos. his Eros
Couple’s Pluto cj. his ASC</b>
He feels overwhelmed by this relationship, it either awakens his urge for power – or makes him feel powerless quite often. There is a strong, compelling element of eroticism and wounding/healing to it, he can’t help but feel passionate about it and sometimes might act in impulsive/irrational and aggressive ways in this relationship.

<b>Couple’s ASC in his 9th house
Couple’s ASC trine his Venus</b>
The relationship appeals to his need for broadening his horizons, it has an intellectual touch for him and the way the relationship acts out in public appeals to his refined aesthetic tastes.

<b>ALL IN ALL:</b> This might be an exhausting, stressful experience for him, a lot of “lessons” included, as far as power, control, service, discipline and duty are concerned.

COUPLE’S // HER

<b>Couple’s Sun in her 3rd house
Couple’s Sun sextile her Chiron</b>
This relationship makes her more outgoing, lets her make more friends, maybe spurs her on to travel/roam a bit more and helps her self- confidence.

<b>Couple’s Moon in her 3rd house
Couple’s Moon opposite her Venus
Couple’s Moon sextile her Juno
Couple’s Moon cj. her NN</b>
The emotional side of this relationship might come up as cold, rude or distant to her, although it inspires her need for a deeper bonding; she tends to discuss her feelings with her friends, relatives, she also allows the relationship’s emotional side to influence her personal friendships and surroundings.

<b>Couple’s Mercury in her 3rd house
Couple’s Mercury trine her Jupiter
Couple’s Mercury square her Neptune
Couple’s Mercury square her ASC</b>
Again, this relationship strongly influences her personal friendships and her day-to-day-life; the communication inside the relationship feeds her hopes, dreams, wishes, ambitions – but there might be a lot of misunderstandings from which she suffers, she might feel (mentally) confused and/or betrayed quite often.

<b>Couple’s Venus in her 2nd house
Couple’s Venus trine her Venus
Couple’s Venus square her Uranus
Couple’s Venus trine her Juno
Couple’s Venus cj. her Eros
Couple’s Venus trine her NN</b>
She tends to seek security and stable bonding in this relationship, it appeals to her aesthetic, amorous and erotic tastes very much and it leads to a refinement of her tastes in these matters. The relationship also brings out - or clashes with - her rebellious, adventurous side.

<b>Couple’s Mars in her 3rd house
Couple’s Mars sextile her Saturn
Couple’s Mars oppos. her MC</b>
Once more, the aggressive/active elements of that relationship strongly influence her personal surroundings, friendships, the circles of people she surrounds herself with. Communication/mental pursuits play an important role, and she feels a need to be firm and disciplined in these regards.

<b>Couple’s Jupiter in her 9th house
Couple’s Jupiter cj. her Venus
Couple’s Jupiter trine her Juno
Couple’s Jupiter oppos. her NN</b>
This relationship broadens her horizons, maybe even geographically, refines her tastes and values and raises her idealism concerning marriage. It might inflate/increase the level or number of contacts and new experiences she goes through during the course of the relationship.

<b>Couple’s Saturn in her 4th house
Couple’s Saturn trine her Mercury
Couple’s Saturn oppos. her Uranus
Couple’s Saturn cj. her Chiron
Couple’s Saturn square her Eros</b>
The relationship puts her down to earth, increases her feeling of or need for maturity. It also might undermine her self- confidence, but increase her self-consiousness. There’s a very serious tone to it, she feels like being “tested” on a very personal level from time to time – and her erotic needs are not completely fulfilled by too much seriousness, too much heavy weight-stuff.

<b>Couple’s Uranus in her 10th house
Couple’s Uranus sextile her Mars
Couple’s Uranus sextile her Neptune
Couple’s Uranus cj. her Pluto
Couple’s Uranus sextile her ASC</b>
This relationship leeds to a major overhaul of her life’s goals and ambitions. It might have the effect of an “electric shock”, gives way to new forms of self-expression for her. It introduces her to her own personal power of transformation.

<b>Couple’s Neptune in her 12 house
Couple’s Neptune trine her Sun
Couple’s Neptune trine her Mars
Couple’s Neptune cj. her Neptune
Couple’s Neptune sextile her Pluto
Couple’s Neptune square her BM Lilith
Couple’s Neptune cj. her ASC</b>
There’s a lot of subconscious work going on with her in this relationship. It increases her tenderness, softens her hard sides, makes her more sensitive in the way she acts and expresses herself.

<b>Couple’s Pluto in her 10th house
Couple’s Pluto sextile her Sun
Couple’s Pluto square her Moon
Couple’s Pluto trine her Saturn
Couple’s Pluto cj. her Pluto
Couple’s Pluto cj. her MC</b>
This relationship has a huge impact on her life’s goals and ambitions, maybe even influences her professional life. There’s a call for greater maturity. Her natural, emotional, maybe childlike instincts come under increasing strain within this relationship. It appeals to her power and provokes new ways of expressing herself in a more disciplined, mature way.

<b>Couple’s ASC in her 7th house
Couple’s ASC sextile her Mars
Couple’s ASC oppos. her Neptune
Couple’s ASC oppos. her ASC</b>
She feels quite an amount of aggression in this relationship, it is a personal challenge for her, to stand up for her own will and interests.

posted May 02, 2008 08:14 AM         

Back on topic I think that a comparision of the composite with the natal charts can be VERY enlightening (you could even do a composite of the natal chart with the composite).

Howver, the comparision composite - natal would show how every person feels about the relationship, how it influences them and who is happier.

But I guess you know that. Your interpretations were great and very helpful for others - like me-, so we can learn how to do it.

posted May 02, 2008 05:09 PM         

Thanks also for your compassion regarding my failed love thing. I’ve invested a lot of time and energy in “understanding” what was going on there, during the whole year it lasted. And by comparing my “astrological insights” with my “real life experience”, I came to several conclusions that I wanna share here - It’s a nice opportunity to get rid off this stuff and the anger and the sadness), by telling about it over here. And, who knows: Maybe my experience with some of the mentioned aspects might indeed help another one? ;-)

####### We had several of the “heavy” or so called “significant” aspects in our natal-natal-Synastry. And I wanna share how they worked out for us. For instance:

- My PLUTO cj. his VENUS (both in Virgo)
(During the course of this relationship I always felt in the “weaker” position, felt to be manipulated, controlled and “mentally tortured” by him – although I was the PLUTO-person! He even admitted to “torture” me a bit deliberately, in order to “feel me more”, to “see my reactions”! But finally … it was me who surprisingly drew the line, who put an end to all this - and I guess this has left both of us buffled, in a way.)

- My NN cj. his VERTEX (both in Pisces)
(Yeah, I have the feeling that I have done a lot of “work” with this one and somehow … “tought” him something, was forced into a very patient and tolerant position while being with him. I really hope(!) that I have “payed back” some of my karma-debts with this experience, it made me suffer and consumed me a lot, puh, I am exhausted, and I hope it’s for the sake for good future Karma or “Dharma” as they say, ;-))

- My VENUS in his 12th house
(Yeah – I do believe that I’ve come to see and identify his “darker” sides, his hidden depths , his weaknesses … and I do believe that he felt threatened/frightened by that. On the one hand, it made him feel “looked after” in a way he never knew before, and he kind of enjoyed this extraordinary attention and compassion he got by me, all my patience and understanding and willingness to forgive – but most of the time, it made him feel uncomfortable and he tried to push me away because of that, he desperately tried to keep the “upper hand”, tried not to be as “exposed” to me as it seems to have been the case.)

- My Moon (Sagittarirus) square his CHIRON-cj.-EROS (Pisces)
(All I can say for now: He hurt me a lot, made me feel very insecure and unfree very often, put a damper on most of my good intentions and good humour. And our physical togetherness … did have a certain tone to it too … but I liked that, most of the time.)

- His SUN cj. my BM LILITH (both in Leo)
(That was the BIGGEST PROBLEM we had! He openly admitted it several times: He was fascinated AND frightened by my independent/self-confident side. Once he asked me: “How wild can a woman be?”. He NEVER trusted me and always was suspicious, I’d betray him with other men, behind his back. That’s why he “punished me in advance”, by really trying to bring me “down” deliberately. Although I was fully committed and true to him, all the time! Meanwhile, I saw him as extremely “Macho” - was also fascinated by that, but at the same time … repelled. He gave other girls the eyes, while I was with him, for instance … Huh, that made me angry, but I always tried to swallow my anger. After all … we didn’t manage to get along with that, it turned out to be a pure power-struggle with us, childish and annoying fights for supremacy, very much dealing with “male and female power”. Again, I see him as the “aggressor” … but that point of view might be one-sided, of course. In any case: His image of “the perfect woman” was quite conservative, at the end of the day. Very limited!)

####### And I noticed another thing: There were some significant TRANSIT-ASPECTS in the working, WHILE WE BROKE UP (while I decided to break up and finally told him) – and I don’t think that these look like “classical break-up”-constellations at all!

TRANSITS WHILE BREAK-UP

My chart during the break-up-phase:

- SUN cj. my JUNO (the days shortly before)
- MOON cj. my NN (on the exact day I definitely said « it’s over »)
- MERCURY oppos. my ASC (the exact day)
- MARS cj. my SUN (the days before)
- MARS sextile my PLUTO (the exact day)
- CHIRON square my SATURN
- CHIRON trine my CUPIDO

His chart during break-up (the exact day he came to recognize):

- SUN cj. his AMOR
- MOON cj. his VERTEX
- MERCURY trine his VENUS
- MERCURY oppos. my NAME-Asteroid in his chart
- URANUS cj. his CHIRON & EROS (exactly at 0 dg, on the specific day!)
- NEPTUNE oppos. his SUN (also exact by 0 dg that day!)
- CHIRON oppos. his MERCURY
- NN oppos his SUN

Yeah – this does not look like a “HEARTBREAK”-transit-time, does it? BUT: It was!

###### Generally speaking, through ALL my astrological studies over the years, I got the impression that there is NO SUCH THING as a “good” or “bad” planet, there’s no strictly “maleficical” or “beneficial” influence by a planet. There are always two sides of the medal, so to speak. One cannot stress that enough: That PLANETS as such ARE NEUTRAL!

VENUS, for instance is not only “love” and “harmony” – it also represents “longing” … and this “longing” CAN be aggressive or turn out in mean ways. Yes, VENUS has the capacity to SPOIL things, by blinding one’s eyes, it is no way “soothing only”, but has its own way of acting detrimental and/or aggressive and vicious.

NEPTUNE is not only “dreamy” or (passively) “confusing” for instance – it can be deliberately mischievous and distrustful – if NEPTUNE is activated by transit or Synastry it can actively lead to suspicion or to outright deception - it can turn out to be really mean, and, in my experience, is hardly ever “healing” or not even “compassionate” ….

Another example: PLUTO – is power and powerlessness as well. (Neutrally speaking it’s about the “survival instinct”)