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Lara
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posted May 10, 2008 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
ok, so l posted my composite chart with the man i'm in love with on another forum and... someone answered saying it was a malicious chart with lots of deception and that the relationship would not last, severe ups and downs with instability. Also, a dominating,controlling influence that can show extreme wealth or social/poltical power.

HELP!

I am asking my fellow knowflakes to please tell me what you see as now l am totally FREAKED OUT!

Thank you X


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Lara
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posted May 10, 2008 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
something about pluto/saturn midpoint opposing the neptune/moon midpoint

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clockworkrose
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posted May 10, 2008 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clockworkrose     Edit/Delete Message
why would someone say that!? that p*sses me off. astrology shows possibilities, its not definite or cut in stone, ya know?

evolved and mature people can make a 'challenging' relationship work with lots of love and hard work. it all depends on the people involved!

there are some difficult aspects, but nothing that can't be overcome! all relationships SHOULD have a few challenging aspects to make things interesting. otherwise things could get dull, boring and complaceant.

Sun-conjunct Mars - passion, energy, and excitement. Sun square Pluto - there could be a battle of wills, one tries to dominate the other. Venus conjunct Mars - lots of sexual chemistry and passion. I don't see anything overwhelmingly bad honestly! I don't know what this chick was talking about.

have you looked at your synastry yet?

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posted May 10, 2008 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Well I'm a bit of a novice in the composite thing so forgive me for errors.

I think what the person was highlighting was the 12th house activity. Remember nothing can be fatal to a relationship, aspects and house placements can be a downer but not fatal.

The 12th house is quite a complex and nebulous house. Its to my understanding that it is the person's private refuge, where private time is spent with oneself etc. Its very subtle and deals with the subconscious, the visceral.

I think what the person has been saying is that having uranus and pluto in the 12th is quite big. These are quite heavy planets that can be quiet intrusive and "loud" in this space but I would say that jupiter would add a lot of comfort in this. So, maybe there will be erratic, deep and intensive transactions that may occur in terms of faith, psychology and uranian issues. This is probably heightened by the 9th house planets, which again deals with maybe philsophies, faiths etc. So maybe you come from different backgrounds or maybe adjustments need to be made?

I'm not sure on the workings of Valentine is, I don't really know that asteroid well but it seems positive, maybe an expression of affection in private. Plus the existence of venus on the MC and Amor on the ASC sounds nice and give a lot of tenderness IMHO plus the fun/friends thing of aqu moon in 5th, which would fall near the opposite point of midpoint of moon-pluto


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Lara
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posted May 10, 2008 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Hi clockworkrose,

Thank you. It really shocked me.. wasn't expecting such a bad reaction.

Apparently the uranus square the sun is a no no one. !
I have looked at synastry but all l see is good there cos that is all l want to see you know how it is!

I am going to post it cos l really need to know what is going on here!!!

He is on the outside. me on inside!


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posted May 10, 2008 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
I second what was said, two mature people can overcome a lot. If you see some synastry I have with my mum, its terrible but we still can make the relationship work.

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Azalaksh
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posted May 10, 2008 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
A favorite (appropos) quote:

From Steven Forrest: http://www.stevenforrest.com/lovehandles.html

To me, in the realities of the astrological counselling room, there are
two immutable premises:

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently sweet that enough selfishness, confusion about sex, or
immaturity cannot turn it sour.

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently bitter that enough patience, devotion, and humility can
not only make it last, but make it something precious to both people.

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posted May 10, 2008 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
As for the two midpoints that you mentioned Lara, I'm not sure what that person was saying. Opposing the midpoint of moon-nptune would be the MC activity, which I think would be quite good. As for the other midpoint, not sure what they mean...

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clockworkrose
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posted May 10, 2008 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clockworkrose     Edit/Delete Message
hey. yeah, I would say about pluto in the 12th that power struggles would tend to be under the surface, hidden. just try to be open about your resentment.

well, about sun-uranus, sure it can add instabililty, but also excitement. maybe you could be separated for long periods of time, or your relationship seems a bit 'unusual' to others. otherwise, its just an exciting relationship... never a dull moment.

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Lara
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posted May 10, 2008 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Hi 23,

We are from different countries. He's a yank and i'm a brit! So the complications start with 3,000 miles of Atlantic between us but we manage. 5 months on and we are doing pretty well. The only thing that we suffer from is me and my lack of trust which is my problem and is heightened by the fact that we really do have to have 100% trust in each other when we spend so much time apart!

Apart from that, it's bliss but maybe the composite doesn't show so quick into a relationship.

I really don't see myself as malicious nor as causing any maliciousness... thank you for sharing your positive view.

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posted May 10, 2008 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Lara, I wouldn't worry about that person or the composite says. Sometimes its best not to look at astrology sometimes. I try not it let get me down when I see bad stuff. My composite with my partner is quite disastrous as well, its filled with t-squares and horrible pluto aspects but we've been together for 9 years and we've been fine. So, if you try your best with each other, things shouldn't be that bad (and this is for any relationship regardless of the astrology!)

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Unmoved
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posted May 10, 2008 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Lara - when someone gives you a reading with doomed themes without showing you that there are similarly good ways of mitigating challenging aspects, consider them a git. It is immature and irresponsible for a person to instill fear in others. Caution is good but frightening you is not fair.

That is a sign of someone who is not evolved nor knowledgeable in this art.

Ignore them.

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clockworkrose
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posted May 10, 2008 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clockworkrose     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
We are from different countries. He's a yank and i'm a brit! So the complications start with 3,000 miles of Atlantic between us but we manage. 5 months on and we are doing pretty well. The only thing that we suffer from is me and my lack of trust which is my problem and is heightened by the fact that we really do have to have 100% trust in each other when we spend so much time apart!

LOL wow thats definately Sun square Uranus right there! "being separated for long periods of time"

as for the synastry, its kind of hard to read the aspects from the picture lol, but Moons are compatible (Sag - Aries) thats always a huge plus. Sun conjunct Jupiter is great as well!

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posted May 10, 2008 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, I think what you said Lara is what the 12th house stuff is about. Ura is in the 12th, ura would rule far-off communications (maybe through technology) but then there is jupiter (foreign but exuberance and joy) there as well as pluto (an intense) interaction. Also see saturn in 7th, that must add to some level of permanence in the relationship. So I think what you have said equates to the 12th and as you can see, its not fatal is it?

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posted May 10, 2008 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
I must also stress that the 12th is the subconscious/unreal, so Lara those are the fears that you probably are feeling and could possibly be unjustified and unreal fears, if you know what I mean.

I think I've finally figured out what the 12th house is after all that!

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Lara
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posted May 10, 2008 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, l know what you mean 23. They are unreal fears as in he won't be unfaithful to me yet my dad always was unfaithful to all the women in his life so it's past childhood crap that this guy is triggering in me! That is why l posted the chart in the 1st place, cos of my fears... wanted to see if anything would come up. I just wasn't expecting or hoping for what l was told but now you have said all of this, it makes more sense.

phew!

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Lara
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posted May 10, 2008 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Azalaksh

That is so beautiful, thank you. wow
That really puts things into perspective.
Thank you for your kindness and insight

Amazing how a few comments about a chart can knock one back!

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Lara
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posted May 10, 2008 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Unmoved - yeah. Ignorance is sometimes bliss, eh?


Clockworkrose - YES! We have this separateness thing until l finally move to the USA, which l was always planning on doing.
The moons are good and my moon is trine his sun too. Venus trine mars, eros conjunct venus, lots of saturn :O

Notice how our 5th house rulers are conjunct our ASC's too.
ruler of his 4th is ruler of my 7th (aquarius)
ruler of my 4th is ruler of his 1st (scorpio)

It's not SO bad, is it. Are composites always right? Maybe l should stick to the Davison Chart from now on, for better luck lol

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clockworkrose
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posted May 10, 2008 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clockworkrose     Edit/Delete Message
no it doesn't look too bad. eh, I don't know, It's kind of a personal choice whether you use composite or davison. they're usually pretty similar anyway. but I always considered the synastry more important than the composite. the synastry is more how the two people and their energies interact, and the composite/davison is the relationship itself, the relationship as a 'third entity'.

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Lara
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posted May 10, 2008 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
OK. I think you are right... synastry is better.

One thing struck me yesterday Clockworkrose -

If my relationship with this guy has only taken place on USA soil and l am planning to move to the USA, can l use my relocation chart instead of my natal chart in synastry and composite?

I mean, does it make more sense and is it viable? Seems that if our dynamic is in the USA then my chart should be altered for that time zone, no?

Interesting point or am l now getting whacky?

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clockworkrose
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posted May 10, 2008 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clockworkrose     Edit/Delete Message
honestly I don't use relocation charts that much. It's just going to change your house positions basically. ..don't know how much different your chart would be though. but then, if you get into 'using your relocation chart for synastry and composite', then that could REALLY get confusing! lol. I don't think it would have a big impact on your relationship, just yourself. I would say stick with your natal chart.

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plutomaki
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posted May 10, 2008 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutomaki     Edit/Delete Message
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Diandra23
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posted May 11, 2008 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diandra23     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,

im yet a newbie but i just wanted to share some common things we two have in common:

i also live a long distance relationship for about two years now (in Jully more properly).

When i first started to look deeper into Astrology, immust say that some aspects that ive red about our composite made me a bit frightened as well

- Neptune skuare sun and Moon
- venus skuare Uranus

for example in sinastry the infamous sun/uranus skuare also like in your case.

If i would take the word-to -wrod exactly how ive red it at the fisrt palce i wowuld be just ovwrwelmed byt the negatives of the aspetcs shown both in composite or sinastry.

What i decided to do was this:

take the interpretation and see how they would fit:and some really do!

being in a long distance - sun/uranus skaure

we are both idealistic and expecting too much from a human being perspective (both nataly have neptune/venus) - therefore,the venus/neptune that appears in sinastry

Sun/neptune skuare in sinastry and composit - one puts the other at a pedestal and therefore seeing only the perfection.The other,not to "fail"tries to live up to that same perfection.Impossible to stand,and so,with sincere converstation,there´s an issue that can perfectly be resolved.


You can take the natals of one another and analyse quite troroughly - you will find that there´s a vaid reason to appear every one and silngle aspect in composite

Ive learned with time that with love,care and understanding we can manage all things-even if it appears difficult!

It´s just like AZkhalash said

Stay confident and with Trust in the man you love - i usually say that :

Contrary to what most people think,being in a long distance puts the relationship to proof - if two persons can manage time and space,mantaining the love,trust and that special bond,then...they can manage ALL REST.

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Unmoved
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posted May 11, 2008 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
I applaud youi guys with long distance relationships. i can't even fathom how I would survive it. It takes maturity and faith I suppose.

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winky_winky
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posted May 11, 2008 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for winky_winky     Edit/Delete Message
lara just at first glance i like composts which show planets near the mc, points to significant rships re destiny, agree snowflakes? however the sun in compost also points HOW and WHERE the rship plays out, and in 9th there might be lots of travels and searchings involved...too much for my liking, also a rship based largely on fire-feelings of self-etc...

Also it looks like jupiter in 12th might point to luck in sacrifice or leaps of faith regarding the rship, what i dont like is saturn in 7th, relating on an intimate basis or marriage might get troublesome, that is, saturn in 7th points to a brake in establishing a real give/take rship...

dont know if this makes any sense at all
and well moon in 5th? what else do u want? feelings and deep emotions linked to joy, romance, and another fire house...lovely!

venus in 10th in composite: relating and sharing largely based on getting ahead in life for both, a strong house for me

mercury: very important for me in compost
here it points to intellectual comm, also to balancing ur viewpoints on life,etc...

must look at aspects though

mars has a lot of conj here in the compost, means ACTION-based rship, i dont like too many squares to the sun, points to external troubles in the rship, sun squares many outer planets as well as mars

moon is not very aspected but mercury is, so u must take into acc that it is a relationship heavy on COMMUNICATION

how about the opposites in the synastry? they will map how the rship will play out...

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