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EighthMoon
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posted May 12, 2008 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great Info...

The Vertex Axis: A Special Doorway

by guest astrologer Alice McDermott

I first discovered the Vertex around 1976-77. To explore how it worked I adjusted the calculations to the Southern Hemisphere and then studied its effect on my clients when it was activated by transits, Solar Arcs and Progressions. This has given me a whole Saturn return period of “hands on” research with thousands of people.

My conclusions are:

· The Vertex axis is not an especially strong point in a natal chart unless it has a planet or Node conjunct it or in close to exact aspect with it.

· If it has a planet or Node conjunct, it often becomes an over-riding force that makes the Vertex and that planet stronger than anything else in the chart, including a planet conjunct the Ascendant or MC.

· If it has a planet in close aspect it enhances that planet’s nature, its sign and house to a considerable degree, making that planet a very strong focus in the chart.

· A planet conjunct or in a close to exact aspect to the Vertex tends to give a specific and often intense destiny – something the person is required to do or experience for greater soul development, or must do in order to find meaning in life – or both!

· Therefore Vertex stimulation can have an almost compulsive effect that overrides all other considerations.

The Vertex axis can have such a strong effect because it is the third and most powerful axis in the life development process.

The Ascendant axis describes the physical body and brain and the environment in which a child is reared. A child does not see herself or himself as an individual, but as a part of a family and the environment.

As this child grows into an adult, s/he develops a sense of self as an individual, and eventually moves into the world to “make a mark”. This process is described by the MC axis, and in our cultures this process is mainly experienced through a career or avocation.

The Vertex axis stimulates Cosmic Awareness, an understanding that an individual is an integral part of the Universe, not just an isolated, separate entity. This is an enormously important and deeply freeing realization, but it can often require intense experiences (pleasant and/or unpleasant) to awaken someone to this understanding. This doesn’t mean that people without planets on angles in connection to the Vertex don’t have cosmic awareness, but it does mean that there is not such a strong stimulus to develop this awareness in this lifetime.

The Vertex axis can be likened to a doorway that gives access to other realities. It is usually highly emphasized, with a planet conjunct (orb 8°), in the charts of people who have this ability. The doorway is of the nature of the sign and house where the Vertex resides and powerfully emphasizes that sign, making it at least as important as that of the Ascendant and MC.

Astrologers often have Uranus and/or Neptune in close contact with the Vertex. Our own host, Noel Tyl, has Vertex in Scorpio quindecile Uranus in the 11th house. It seems he was destined to re-discover this very important aspect (the quindecile) and present it to the astrological community.

Following the Vertex as guide to other realities opens the door to subtle aspect measurements (harmonics). Septile (7th harmonic) patterns give the ability to understand other realities, the Vertex gives the ability to access other realities and so the combination of a septile pattern and a planet conjunct the Vertex is common in the natal charts of inspirational people, psychics and magicians. Uri Geller (20 December 1946, 2.00 am, Tel Aviv, Palestine) has Vertex conjunct North Node-Uranus in Gemini in a septile pattern with Moon-Venus-Jupiter-Saturn – surely a clear indication of his exceptional nature and gifts and the extraordinary experiences in his life.

Intensely creative people often have a planet conjunct the Vertex axis together with a quintile (5th harmonic) aspect or pattern.

Some exceptional people have a novile (9th harmonic) aspect or pattern connected to the Vertex. As the novile series of aspects are connected to initiation, this combination gives an intense initiation during this lifetime. It also gives the ability to act as an initiator for others.

FORECASTING

When the Vertex and the planet(s) it conjoins move to exact aspect by Solar Arc, key periods are clearly marked in childhood. There is usually a year made crucial through a major event, if there is also a transit or eclipse trigger, or through internal discovery of an unusual facet to your nature. From then on, all transits, Solar Arcs and Progressions to this point are highly sensitive, though not all will bring events in the outer world. The year that Solar Arc or Progressions bring together the Vertex and its ruler is also a powerful period.

Transits, Solar Arcs and Progressions involving the Vertex rarely have a huge effect on those who do not have planets stimulating the natal Vertex angle. It can just mean meeting those who in some way have an unusual influence on you, and often only for the duration of the transit or direction.

However, for those with a natal Vertex highlighted there is usually one powerful period of destiny in the life that is designed to awaken the person to a wider reality. During this period the Vertex can bring very big events indeed. Christopher Reeve (25 September 1952, 3.12 am New York NY) had natal Vertex conjunct Chiron in Capricorn in wide novile to his Descendant. The natal bi-novile between the Vertex and Saturn (its ruler) described the likelihood of a deep initiation this lifetime. When Vertex-Chiron moved by Solar Arc to his Descendant, and Saturn moved to novile his Vertex, he had an accident that left him paralyzed from the neck down. Christopher Reeve then became a powerful force for stem-cell research that has the potential to radically improve our ability to repair severe injuries.

There is usually only one powerful period of destiny in the life, but many Vertex activations. The other times the Vertex is triggered usually indicates meeting people, animals or even computers who have a profound or unusual long lasting effect.

Alice McDermott is an eminent Australian Astrologer who, as Alice Portman, has consulted and taught professionally for 35 years. In 1984, she received her Professional Member of the Federation of Australian Astrologers (PMFAA) qualification and became an Examiner for the FAA in 1986-1988. She first spoke on the Vertex at the FAA International Conference in 1986.

The late L. Edward Johndro (30 January 1882, 12.30 am, Franklin Center, Canada – Vertex conjunct South Node in Gemini) was first to present the Vertex for consideration by the astrological world. He reasoned that if the Ascendant was determined by the intersection of the Great Circles of the Ecliptic and Horizon and the MC was determined by the intersection of the Great Circles of the Meridian and Ecliptic, there should also be a very sensitive point of energy at the intersection of the Great Circles of the Prime Vertical and the Ecliptic. He called the western axis of this point the Vertex and the eastern the antiVertex. He felt that the Vertex was the electrical axis, the Ascendant the magnetic axis, and the MC the gravity axis in a natal chart.

The late Charles Jayne of New York (9 October 1911, 10.53 pm, Jenkintown, PA, - antiVertex conjunct Mars in Gemini) also deduced that the Vertex was a very important point in a natal chart. He and his students researched this further and came to the conclusion that the Vertex axis seemed to describe fateful or karmic encounters with others, which completely changed the lives of those concerned. He felt that the western point, the Vertex, was the stronger side of the axis.

http://tribes.tribe.net/astrologer/thread/0b5834ff-c6ba-4dc6-9bf9-1bafb790d031

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GeminiLover75
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posted May 12, 2008 06:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great info, eighth!

So help me out... I have Vertex conjunct Mercury within 2.57 degrees (in Taurus, 5th house). Does this count? It also opposes my moon (in Scorpio, 11th house) within 4 degrees. How do I interpret this? I have always had an intense drive towards "cosmic awareness" but I'm not sure how my planets interact here... with Mercury, I most definitely do feel that I receive messages from other realms at times.

Also my bf's Vertex is exactly conjunct his Neptune in Scorpio, 8th house, also closely conjunct his Jupiter. He definitely DOES have insight to other worlds, as do I, but he's pretty closed off from it these days but he had some really intense experiences when he was younger. It also opposes his Saturn and Venus, and sextiles his Pluto. He also used to study astrology in depth.

In synastry, my NN is tightly conjunct his Vertex, Neptune and Jupiter (in my 12th house).

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posted May 12, 2008 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the author is right and the Vertex axis "stimulates Cosmic Awareness, an understanding that an individual is an integral part of the Universe, not just an isolated, separate entity"...
I find it interesting that the Vertex falls (always?) in the social houses.

I would at first expect the universal houses (9th - 12th) to provide a cosmic awareness, but now that I think more about it, it does make sense that the vertex falls in the more intimate social houses. After all, it is in our intimate connection with another individual that we can most easily see how the feeling that we're separate from the rest of existence--just a prop against background scenery--is illusory.

I've never seen the vertex described as she does though. Usually, the focus has been on it bringing "fated encounters" but I like that she explains what is the purpose/goal of those fated encounters.

My Sun and Neptune are conjunct my anti-vertex.
My vertex is in my 8th house at 14º Gemini.
My Sun is at 16º Sag, my Neptune at 20º. (I've never counted Neptune as aspecting my vertex axis, but the author uses a pretty wide orb of 8º for conj/opp.)

When I saw...
A planet conjunct or in a close to exact aspect to the Vertex tends to give a specific and often intense destiny – something the person is required to do or experience for greater soul development, or must do in order to find meaning in life – or both!
...and considered that my Sun fits the bill, I thought, "Easy enough! All I'm required to do for meaning & greater soul development is be myself." Then I realized that's actually a tough order! There have been several times in my life that I've had to make a choice between an easy, attractive route that didn't feel authentic and a difficult, costly route that felt more true, and I (eventually) chose the harder more true route because of a strong internal push to do so. Others haven't always gotten that about me. I know I've appeared impractical to others at times for my choices, but to me what's most impractical is not to be myself.

For quintiles involving a planet conjunct the vertex axis, my Sun bi-q's Chiron in my 7th.
For noviles, my vertex noviles my Dsc.
So both of those aspects highlight my 7th house. That makes a lot of sense to me.

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posted May 12, 2008 03:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
8Moon

Great Info

some time ago i was also wondering about Vertex and ive never seen that article before - it was quite a news to me,very enlightening!

- My Bf has his VX ocnj is Mars in 5th in Sag

- But i dont have any conj or Bq, just DSC conj VX..i think angles doesnt count,or do?

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posted May 12, 2008 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is something that is very personal to me. I am very interested because I have a vertex that only has one major aspect to anything in my chart and that is NN (16 and 18 deg respectively). I need to know how this operates can't seem to find anyone who can interpret this and nor can I. They are both in sco and in the 8th. This is complicated by the fact that serpentis the evil asteroid sits exactly on NN. I haven't checked for any other planets that make minor aspects but I can say that off the top of my head that jupiter/asc makes quincunxes to these (if an orb of 3 deg is allowed).

And like what Jane says, its fated or certainly feels like that. Its like a double whammy when it happens to me because of the abovementioned conjunction. I met someone once whose asc touched both of these points and one of the first things he said to me in conversation was "do you believe in fate".

....And I'd also appreciate if dear old John Taylor would remove his tau moon and psyche of the anti-points, thank you very much :P

So if anyone can help, I'd very much appreciate it.

PS an astrologer relative says that the vertex acts like a door and usually indicates when something ends...or that is what she has seen in experience....

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posted May 12, 2008 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have also heard that the vertex acts as like a second descendent as well.

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lol 23 I have no idea about the John Taylor aspects you mentioned, but I just noticed your "location"... lol!

I know of someone who's cosmic awareness is very developed, but his Vertex (in the 8th house) is unaspected. He has three other 8th house planets but none of them conjunct the Vertex.

Also wanted to add that with my bf's Vertex conjunct Neptune in 8th, it occured to me that this fits his experiences with psychedelic drugs when he was younger, as it did open the door to other realities. Also when he took DXM(?) he says it totally blew the doors open and changed him, he described the experience as watching everything break down and break apart in its molecular structure - like it was the end of the world. So how's that for a Vertex conjunct Neptune in Scorpio in the 8th house experience!!

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posted May 12, 2008 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GL75 - that's really interesting that you mentioned that about your boyfriend, I can certainly see how neptune would open his vertex door in that case. Maybe as an analogy, maybe my NN (conj serpentis) (destiny for writing gothic novels?) will open my door but what that means, who knows...

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posted May 12, 2008 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good read you have there...I've been more curious about the effects it has within synastry when heavily contacted/stimulated and that 'fated' feeling. Vertex conjunction Vertex must be important an one to have with someone...

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posted May 12, 2008 11:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about in composite? Me and my bf have composite Vertex conjunct DC, within 4 degrees. In the progressed composite, the Vertex is now *exactly conjunct* the DC.

With another really important person/partner in my life, the composite Vertex is conjunct the DC (in the 7th house) by less than 1 degree.

BOTH of these relationships have always felt incredibly fated.

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posted May 13, 2008 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OzMeg222     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love Alice!

She did a reading of my chart focusing on the vertex and I gotta say it sure filled in some gaps and expanded upon some things I was already well aware of in my chart.

Very wise woman

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i have a complicated question!

i have mercury and mars conjunct my anti vertex (2 deg) and lilith conjunct my vertex (2 deg). the guy i'm into has NN conjunct my vertex (3 deg) and lilith (0 deg) and SN conjunct my mercury and mars (0 deg). HOW in the world do i interpret that?!

i am guessing, firstly, vertex is important in my chart. i'm also guessing perhaps him and i may be fated (but who knows! i must say i certainly feel a connection though).

so to interpret my own aspects, lilith conjunct vertex and opposite mercury and mars means i have a potency with sexual expression i am to express but is latent (anti vertex)? or something? and then, he would find me familiar, and there is a potential fatedness (north node AND vertex) between us, involving the depths of female power, intuition and sexuality?

does that make ANY sense?

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Thank you! Very interesting.

I have Vertex in Leo exactly conjunct Saturn
in the seventh house. (Capricorn rising)

I guess my destiny involves marriage.

" · If it has a planet or Node conjunct, it often becomes an over-riding force that makes the Vertex and that planet stronger than anything else in the chart, including a planet conjunct the Ascendant or MC.

· A planet conjunct or in a close to exact aspect to the Vertex tends to give a specific and often intense destiny – something the person is required to do or experience for greater soul development, or must do in order to find meaning in life – or both! "

hmm....

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posted May 15, 2008 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jupitersgirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What would vertex conjunct sun and uranus mean in the 5th house?

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posted May 15, 2008 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

My Vertex in Aquarius in 5th
conjunct North Node in Aquarius in 5th - 4'28
oppose Ceres in Leo in 11th - 1'01
trine Uranus in Libra in 2nd - '17
sesquiquadrate Pluto in Libra in 1st - '52


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http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/007634.html
Hope it helps.

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posted May 18, 2008 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great Link, Sameesadiq! Thank you.

Jupiter's...I think you can find those interps on his link.

Glaucus...I think your conjunction in Aqua/trine Uranus in Libra makes so much sense. You always look for what's fair and just amongst the hypocracy of the status quo. That's pretty "revolutionary," don'tcha think?

26 Taurus...it seems that way! I always think of you as expressing romantic thought/verse (the infamous love quote thread! )! Maybe you should write! Are you married already?

Cakes...it would seem to me that you're both "uplifting" eachother or aiding eachother into moving in the best path for your growth!

Cont in next post cause the size of this one is freezing the reply button! :O

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posted May 18, 2008 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...OzMeg...That's awesome! Do you have some contact info to share for those who might want a reading with her?

Hey GL!
I think Mercury would definitely count. I think that the moon (subconscious) opposing your Merc/Vertex would describe your drive towards cosmic awareness. A significant transit would most likely bring some interesting experiences and messages from "the other side."
Also, that composite stuff Sounds pretty significant to me!!!

Libra's Choice...I think that's when the Vertex is supposed to be felt the most. When someone or a transit "sets it off." Pretty cool!

23...Can you remember where you read that about the Vertex being a second DC? I'd like to learn more about that one.

Hi Diandra!
I think that Vertex contacting the DC would be significant, but that's just my personal opinion. Like 23 mentioned, if it acts as a second DC, then having the Vertex conj DC would make any contact to those two pretty powerful. Does Johnny have anything aspecting those two?

Jane...Interesting idea. Maybe the 9th-12th are how we encounter the spiritual through our own perspective and the Vertex falling in the relationship houses are how other perspectives can broaden or shake up our own? Your vertex is conj my 8th Moon by 3 degrees, baby! Maybe you're destiny is to shake me up. LOL!

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posted May 19, 2008 04:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
8th Moon -Maybe you're destiny is to shake me up.
I wish.

Love the way you distinguished the growth through the universal and relationship houses. I don't think it would be a stretch to say you just broadened my own perspective.

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Hey GL!
I think Mercury would definitely count. I think that the moon (subconscious) opposing your Merc/Vertex would describe your drive towards cosmic awareness. A significant transit would most likely bring some interesting experiences and messages from "the other side."
Also, that composite stuff Sounds pretty significant to me!!!

Hi eighth!

This is so interesting. Because yes for years (since childhood) I've had incidents of receiving messages and having experiences related to "the other side" - but they were so sporadic I always treated these experiences as random things that I happened to be lucky enough to experience. But in the past couple of years it started to get more frequent, and in the past 6 months it's getting even more so. I can't say for sure what transits have triggered it but it seemed to get a real kick start when I met Mr Gemini - with whom I have the Vertex/DSC aspect. Uranus transited my Mars in Pisces, trining my Scorpio moon and my Saturn in Cancer... so maybe Uranus woke up my grand water trine?? And then 6 months ago I got a psychic reading that just seemed to open things up for me... I think Pluto was starting it's transit of my ASC then in fact! I don't recall any transits to the Vertex though.

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8Moon

well indeed i very much "want" to believe that my VX conj DSC exact is important - for obvious reasons hihihi

Jonnhy´s planets dont really conjunct neither my vx or DC...

But here are the aspects within 3ºorb:

- His Venus opose my DC/VX
- His Uranus(ruler of his Moon and 8th)trine it(1º)
- His Cers/Eros trine it(0º)
- His AC trine it (1º)
- His Juno skaure it(0º)

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Originally posted by EighthMoon:
[B]Great Info...

The Vertex Axis: A Special Doorway


Wow doorway! Such a true metaphor!

Personally I find vertex to have a very sudden, out of the blue and almost shocking transformative effect.

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Originally posted by MermaidDreamz:
Natal chart Vertex 27° Cancer 8Th H
Trine 3s Neptune.

Does anyone understand what this csn mean? 😮


Vertex has no 'calling'. It is an electrical axis and needs planets,stars to be activated. Ignore the sign, it makes no difference since VX is a point.
You have an 8th House placement and Trine to Neptune. The trine is a little wide but Neptune moves slowly so 3orb may still be valid/felt.
I have similar aspect, plus a conjunction, and I find this works as a portal.

With your aspect I would expect at least astral dreaming.

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