posted May 22, 2008 07:19 AM         

But this makes me wonder about lying. It is a trait often deplored with deal-breaker status. This friend is, actually a

a sign generally noted for it's honesty to the point of bluntness.

Generally I am in this line of operation. But I can run along with people telling lies when they aren't of any great consequence. Mr BM has a Mars SQ Neptune and has been known to come up with the odd tall story. Anything that I need to know will be tracked down so he keeps it to the inconsequential. He's very good though.

I feel I have had to learn to keep quiet in life, brutal honesty not being that popular. With Mars CNJ NN Square both the Ascendant and Mercury,I tend to call it how I see it, mainly when annoyed. It's not always the best move.

But here is my incidental question, it being near birthday time. I asked my Sag pal what he would think about a woman lopping a few years off her age? With great tact he agreed I could get away with lying about a few of those years. Maybe it was because the alternative was a long walk home (I was driving). He didn't say if he thought it would be acceptable or not to his way of thinking and I didn't press for an answer.

So what do you think about lying, and does it relate to your chart in anyway?

posted May 22, 2008 07:45 AM         

However I have told some whoppers myself in the past (mainly in reference to me saying I was in love when I was not). So I am a complete hypocrite. Pluto opp Moon?

posted May 22, 2008 07:53 AM         

When you're young it's to get taken more seriously.

posted May 22, 2008 08:06 AM         

I'm a private person and if I don't want to share something in my life w/ someone else, I'm evasive. Omission alone is a form of lying, but even beyond that, I would lie to cover up what I didn't want known.

Basically, when I don't want someone's influence or believe their influence is justified, I'm fine w/ lying to avoid that.

In the past I've not shared things with people close to me, and when they later found out, they were hurt. (Hurt by me not sharing, not by what it was that I didn't share.) I've grown in this way though and have become much more open, but I'll probably always be more private than the average person.

On the other hand, with most issues, I'm very direct. I don't lie for my own benefit in order to manipulate people to do something I know they wouldn't do if they knew the truth. I'm really committed to telling people the truth, as long as I think the truth is any of their business. For example, you mentioned age, when I was younger I looked older than I am and there were 2 times when I was really crazy about guys older than me. But both times I was up front about my real age because I wanted them to make any choice about being with me with all the information.

I don't lie to avoid getting in trouble. To me, those sorts of lies deny the opportunity for growth. I like confronting the truth because then there can be some sort of resolution and transformation.

posted May 22, 2008 08:30 AM         

I prefer the truth though b/c I'd think someone lying to me about that was assuming that I'd be judging them as old, when I really wouldn't be. That sort of stuff means nothing to me and my sense of someone's youth comes more from their energy than whatever number they say.

posted May 22, 2008 09:58 PM         

However, for the most part I tell the truth and can be very blunt, which results in some humorous situations.

posted May 23, 2008 01:24 AM         

Yeah society tends to hate brutal honesty however sugarcoating things and seemingly being deceiving is also looked down upon. Too many folks beat around the bush about things and when a person has to deal with the actual reality of things sometimes I figure it's best to be direct and upfront.

ID - Sun in Aries blunt person....

Another thought is this (which i my top favortie quote!) Never miss a good opportunity to shut up! Especially if the topic of discussion or question makes you feel uncomfy....

As far as lopping a few years off one's age - I'm not sure, in my life I haven't seen a need lop years off my age. I often come across people who think I'm younger than I am and I usually take it as a compliment. Last year I was actually ID'd at a bar by a waitress who though I was 26 or 27 - I told her my age and she was shocked. I reacted if I had just won the lottery....

posted May 23, 2008 01:31 AM         

Brutual honesty is not popular. My husband's granny had it down to an art-form. Did she really say that? I would ask, wondering about my fledgling french. No, she really did, he would laugh. Ah, the good old days, I loved that woman. So did the big man, grandma's boy.

Oh, and now I think about it, she was: