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bvanzy
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posted May 24, 2008 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bvanzy     Edit/Delete Message
It's difficult to find a list of what the midpoints mean.

For example:

Sun/Pluto
Venus/Mars
Mars/Pluto
Moon/Venus

and so on.

Does anyone have any interpretations of any of the midpoints?

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posted May 24, 2008 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Scroll down the page and you will find a link to "interpretation of midpoints".
http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrologytopics/midpoints.html

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posted May 24, 2008 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoLove     Edit/Delete Message
thanks blue moon, I was wondering about this as well.

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posted May 24, 2008 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bvanzy     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Blue Moon. Very in depth.

This is what they have to say about the Venus midpoints:

VE/MA Sex activity. To become intimate. Intimate relations. Blood-brothers. Relationship. Intimate friendship. Sex love. To act with devotion, out of love for the cause. To enjoy something. The blood-relationship. Actions of love.

VE/JU Happiness in love. Lover's bliss. Rapture of joy. Goldsmiths. Fortunate in love.

VE/SA Love's parting. Interrupted harmony. Hindered inclinations. Passing affection. Love's sorrow. Love's separation. Illegitimate birth. Separation of love.

VE/UR Sudden affection or love. Refined sensuality. To be discriminating in love. Sudden romantic love. To give birth to a child. Lameness. To give in. Sudden expression of love. To be the surprised object of love and affection.

VE/NE Renouncing love. Misfortune in love. Untrue love. Perversion. Abnormality. Secret love. Rapture. Sensitive, renouncing, false or unhappy love. Deceptive hopes. Hidden and secret feelings, sensations or sentiments. Wrong sex instinct. Disappointment in love. To be deceived in one's affections.

VE/PL Beginning and harmonious development of love and affection. Harmonious development. Development of a wish, of a hope. To give in. Considerate. Thinking of the well being of others. Harmonious development and transformation.

The Sun midpoints are interpreted very physically, as in their interpretation for the Sun/Pluto midpoint:

"The motion of the body. The circulation of the fluids. The function of the internal organs. Physical development of the body. To grow and regenerate the body. The ability of the body to transform itself. Nutrition. The assimilation of nourishment taken into the body. The circulation of the fluids In the body. The general physical development. Changed function of the glands and in the circulation of the fluids. Physical transformation, development and change. Changes in living conditions and diet."

So, Sun/Pluto midpoint doesn't really get much of a psychological interpretation.

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posted May 24, 2008 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for izodesmozina     Edit/Delete Message
There was a thread by Glaucus called "Ruth Brummond's rulebook of planetary pictures". I have been looking for it for an hour and I can't find it. Googled it and it directed me to another thread .
The subject is of interest to me too.

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posted May 24, 2008 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message
Great topic, Bvanzy!

Izo...here ya go:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010294.html
http://nodeorama.com/viewtopic.php?id=4718
http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/45b51e27-a0a0-4964-80f1-026ac0f28f31
http://nodeorama.com/viewtopic.php?id=4871
http://mylifemysite.com/forum/astrology/50132-solar-return-asc-conjunct-ju-pl-midpoint.html
http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/99e904ee-723b-443f-8e6f-d82c09041144

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posted May 25, 2008 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for izodesmozina     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, 8th
It helps a bit, but the thread I was refering to listed all the interps for midpoints and planets making aspects to them. That's the one I want (excuse my Mars in the 3rd please, I DO apreciate your effort )

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posted May 25, 2008 04:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Izo,

he had to take it down here, due to copyright reasons. But I may still have a copy on my computer somehwere (I also bought the book), so I think I may be able to look for single interpretations, just not for all together. Copyright, you know?

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posted May 25, 2008 04:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Also, the Uranian astrologers apply slightly different meanings to the planets, for example they link Sun to the body (like we interprete the ASC traditionally), and Pluto is a sign of "slow development".


SU.PL.*
+ adaptable. spontaneous. skilled at developing. capable at transforming. changes things. likes variety.
Development of a person. Modern man. Change in connection with the husband. Readjustment with or due to the husband. To be in transition. Bodily changes. Growth. Physical development. Physical assimilation. Days full of changes. Years of readjustments.
- not always trustworthy. unstable. fickle. vacillating. [exploitive or abusive when unevolved.]


VE.MA.*
+passionate. instinctive. spontaneous. charming. enchanting. sexually appealing. enterprising. high-spirited. provocative. people-oriented. enjoys one's work. artistically talented.
To arouse sympathy or attraction. To give pleasure. To act out of love. Donation. Passion. To enjoy doing something. Pleasant work. To pursue a hobby. Blood relative. Sexuality. Artistic activity.
- carnal. emotionally impulsive. flirtatious. sexually obsessed.


MO.VE.*
+ sentimental. even-tempered. friendly. peaceful. warm-hearted. kind. caring. concerned. accommodating. giving. affectionate. mellow. gentle. pleasant. sensual. smooth. longing. hopeful. epicurean. tasteful. attractive. elegant. gracious. charming. beauty-conscious. artistic.
Loving woman. Pretty girl. Love of the wife. Inner equilibrium. In harmony with oneself. Hour of joy. Beauty. Sympathy among the public. Artiste.
- emotionally biased. hedonistic. vain. narcissistic. has cravings.


MA.PL.*
+ active. enterprising. energetic. strong willed. good at classifying and arranging. able to carry on many jobs at once. proceeds according to plan. sees the overview. skilled at organizing. industrious. ambitious. knows how to adapt. and readjust. capable at development. able to deal with change and variety. athletic. spontaneous.
Developments in or of a job. Current work. New profession. Alteration in or of work. Increasing work. Developmental work. Increasing energies. Change in or of a job. To organize.
- not always trustworthy. ruthless. [exploitive or abusive when unevolved.]

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posted May 25, 2008 04:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for izodesmozina     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, DD! Thank you!
I am particularly interested in Chiron=Sun/Moon and Node=Sun/Moon. I am having these by transits and it seems they're important.

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posted May 25, 2008 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
me and someone have the exact conjunction of our venus/mars midpoints in synastry. i don't really know how to interpret it because it's a midpoint to midpoint, so i don't think it activates each other (midpoints being the passive point of activation by planets). does anyone have an idea what this might mean?

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posted May 25, 2008 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Izo,

Ruth Brummond didn`t list Chiron, but I can look the Sun/Moon= Node up for you. This one seems to be very significant.


SU.MO.NO.
+ socially accessible. giving. warm-hearted. nurturing. caring. active. enterprising. helpful. concerned. sympathetic. benevolent. affectionate. people-oriented. sensitive. complementary.
Relationship between man and wife. Partnership with another. Friendly relationship. Body-and-soul connection. Contact with the mate. Complementary relationship. Daily and hourly contact. Intuitive bond with a man. Interpersonal contact. Popular organization.
- fatalistic. moody. erratic. contrary.

Sounds nice, doesn`t it?
If I tried an amateur interpretation I`d say that this is a very fated time and that through pain a healing will occur, and that this pain and healing gives you the opportunity to integrate both sides, Yin and Yang, of your soul. A good time to become whole, even though it`s a painful process at first.


Out of a hunch I checked the midpoint transits of that first meeting for him and me, too, and I looked out for Venus-Uranus, just because I noticed that his Venus-Uranus-midpoint is conjunct my Sun and Mercury (1° - 1,5°).

The interpretation for this would be:

ME.VE.UR.
+ mentally resourceful. quick-witted. witty. original. inventive. lively and rhythmic. skilled with mathematics or technology. future-oriented. communicates revolutionary concepts agreeably. interested in song, music, and dance. intuits artistic concepts. Composer.
Surprising acquaintance. Sudden encounter. Unexpected harmonious discussion. To speak of enjoyable experiences. Stimulating sharing of ideas. Thoughts of a surprising attraction. Pleasant surprising news. Surprise over artistic ideas. Dance.
- mentally erratic.
Discussion of tensions in love

SU.VE.UR.
+ intuitive. evokes sympathy quickly. vivacious. energetic. adventurous. high-spirited. enthusiastic. sensually refined. eccentric. future-oriented. skilled at reform. technically skilled. gifted with rhythm. artistically original.
Unexpected congeniality. Sudden attraction of a man. Love at first sight. Pleasant surprise. Unexpected pleasure. Sudden harmony between men. Sudden peace or conciliation due to a man. Pleasurable excitement. Pleasant event. Sudden balance in or of a body. Mathematician. Days of artistic stimulation. Years of unexpected love.
- easily infatuated. impetuous. impulsive. impatient. self-willed. immoderate. exorbitant. easily upset.
Tension in love relationships.


Transiting Sun was slowly opposing my natal Venus/ Uranus-mp; so that Su.Ve.Ur was valid for my transits, too.

Transiting Venus was exactly semisquare his natal Uranus / Node- mp.

NO.VE.UR.
+ enjoys contact with others. extroverted. people-oriented. gains sympathy readily. erotic. in demand. provocative. eccentric. artistically intuitive. likes technology, reforms, and innovations. has a sense of rhythm. good at dancing.
Sudden attraction. Unexpected harmonious contact. Surprising shared pleasure. Enjoyable event within an association. Pleasant events with each other. Enjoyment of mutual stimulation. Surprise over preference for association. Technical art. Reform in an artistic association.
- easily infatuated.
Tension in a love relationship.


There are of course others. Hmm, maybe I will look at the Transits to natal midpoints, too.

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I have looked at the list of my transits to midpoints, and will list them according to their orbs (only opposition, conjunction and square; I will leave out the semisquare and sesisquare here).

Pluto conjunc my Mercury / Venus: 0°03
Mars square my my Mars / Pluto: 0°03

Mercury opposite Venus / Mars: 0°19

Pluto conjunct Sun / Venus: 0°29
Mars square Node / MC: 0°26
Mars square Neptune / MC: 0°23

Jupiter conjunct Sun / Moon: 0°34
Venus square Saturn / Pluto: 0°38
Mars square Node / MC: 0°30

Venus opposite Mercury / Uranus: 0°49
Node square Venus / Pluto: 0°46
Uranus square Venus / ASC: 0°45

Moon conjunct Sun / Venus: 0°57
Uranus square Venus / Neptune: 0°53
Uranus square Venus / NOde: 0°59
Mars square Pluto / ASC: 0°59
Uranus square Jupiter / MC: 0°56

Venus opposite Sun / Uranus: 1°15 a
Jupiter conjunct Moon / Mercury: 1°01 a
Saturn square Venus / Uranus: 1°13 a

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Pluto conjunc my Mercury / Venus: 0°03

+ enjoys contact with others. skilled at communicating. courteous. obliging. clever. conciliatory. adapts. spontaneous. eloquent. talented with languages. effectively expressive.
New acquaintances. To develop an encounter. Discussion of pleasant changes. To develop sympathy due to a conversation. Current love issues under discussion. Enjoyment of exchange of opinions. To think of current hobbies. To speak of a spontaneous attraction. Ideas about artistic development. Discussion of artistic transformation. Developments in literature.
- flirtatious. fluctuates in opinions. vacillates. [exploitive in love when unevolved.]


Mars square my my Mars / Pluto: 0°03
+ active. enterprising. energetic. strong willed. good at classifying and arranging. able to carry on many jobs at once. proceeds according to plan. sees the overview. skilled at organizing. industrious. ambitious. knows how to adapt. and readjust. capable at development. able to deal with change and variety. athletic. spontaneous.
Developments in or of a job. Current work. New profession. Alteration in or of work. Increasing work. Developmental work. Increasing energies. Change in or of a job. To organize.
- not always trustworthy. ruthless. [exploitive or abusive when unevolved.]


Mercury opposite Venus / Mars: 0°19
+ high-spirited. passionate. erotic. aesthetically conscious. eager for contact. people-oriented. enjoys games and discussion. skilled at writing. communicates appealingly. has artistic talent. Author.
Harmonious debate. Conversation carried on with passion. To make an acquaintance. To think and act with devotion. To implement desired ideas. Sexual thoughts. Early sexual maturity. To seek equilibrium in communications. To conclude a compromise. To pursue a hobby. To make artistic ideas manifest. Creative writing. Handicrafts.
- Argument in or about love.


Pluto conjunct Sun / Venus: 0°29
+ accommodating. adaptable. skilled at converting and transforming. spontaneous. charming. attractive. even-tempered. conciliatory. agreeable. likes variation and change. emotionally ardent. refined. enjoys eating. highly aesthetically-conscious. capable at artistic development.
Enjoyable transformation. Increasing sympathy or for a person. Development of affection. Personal gifts. Changes due to love of a man. Emotional transformation. Pleasure due to the husband's changes. Good digestion. Harmonious physical development. Restoration of physical balance due to nutrition. Harmonious course of the day. Years of developing love.
- not always trustworthy. [sometimes abusive in love or partnership.]


Jupiter conjunct Sun / Moon: 0°34
+ positive in outlook. even-tempered. equitable. congenial. satisfied. happy. cheerful. joyful. open; candid. honest. seeks peace. accommodating. giving. people-oriented. fair. experienced at handling money. active.
Happiness of the wife with or due to the husband. Inner satisfaction of the husband. Physical well-being based on emotional disposition. Mutual harmony. Satisfying hours of the day. Successful years for both. Legal partnership. Prosperity of the husband due to public contact. To procure public recognition.
- calculating. overly materialistic. susceptible to flattery or wheedling. philistine. pedantic.
° of course I had to meet someone with much Sagittarius-influence in his chart, when Transit JUPITER is conjunct my Sun-Moon-mp. lol


Venus square Saturn / Pluto: 0°38
+ prone to be a late bloomer. loyal. cautious. likes maintaining distance from others. quality-conscious. guileless. charming in controlled way. dutiful. has integrity. interested in tactile arts.
Change due to a steady attraction. Development of love after delays or departures. Enjoyment of changes in solitude. Desire for stability due to changes. Desire for continual development. Quality development. Continual change in or due to art.
- shy. naive. inhibited or restricted in love. inequitable. uncongenial. emotionally cold. stilted. contrary.
Change due to separation in love. Increasing interruptions of harmony. Gradual difficulties in love. Increasing alienation.


Venus opposite Mercury / Uranus: 0°49
+ mentally resourceful. quick-witted. witty. original. inventive. lively and rhythmic. skilled with mathematics or technology. future-oriented. communicates revolutionary concepts agreeably. interested in song, music, and dance. intuits artistic concepts. Composer.
Surprising acquaintance. Sudden encounter. Unexpected harmonious discussion. To speak of enjoyable experiences. Stimulating sharing of ideas. Thoughts of a surprising attraction. Pleasant surprising news. Surprise over artistic ideas. Dance.
- mentally erratic.
Discussion of tensions in love.

Node square Venus / Pluto: 0°46
+ enjoys contact with others. people-oriented. open to compromise. ingenious. friendly. kind. concerned. interested. hopeful. epicurean. skilled at transformation or conversion. likes change and variety. capable at artistic development.
Development of harmonious contacts. Growing love for each other. Increasing sympathy in or due to associations. Enjoyment of new contacts. Development of a mutual attraction. Change due a harmonious relationship. Happiness over changes within a relationship. Joint pleasant changes. Artistic development due to associations.
- hedonistic. vacillating. unreliable. [exploitive in love when unevolved.]
Inclination to vacillation among contacts. Inclination to change partners.

Uranus square Venus / ASC: 0°45

+ quickly enamored. spontaneously congenial. outgoing and eager to make contact. passionate. high-spirited. eccentric. original. sensual. intuitive. future-oriented. gifted with artistic rhythm. skilled at reforming.
To fall in love suddenly. To experience unexpected sympathy. Enjoyment of a shared event. To experience affection suddenly. Pleasant surprise due to others. Adventurous love relationship. Excitement about an attraction in the environs. Others' artistic impulses or stimuli. Dance. Sudden peace at the location.
- easily infatuated.
Tensions in love


Moon conjunct Sun / Venus: 0°57
+ warm-hearted. mellow. gentle. giving. capable of being loving. even-tempered. harmonious. enthusiastic. peace-loving. friendly. agreeable. people-oriented. aesthetically conscious. interested in art. complementary.
Body and soul in harmony. Love between man and wife. Man's congeniality with woman. Woman's affection for man. Harmonious partnership. To experience mutual pleasure. Mutual compatibility. Emotional complementation of a man. Daily and hourly devotion.

Uranus square Venus / Neptune: 0°53
+ future-oriented. intuitive. discerningly sensitive. highly imaginative. daydreams. empathic. mediumistic. drawn to metaphysical phenomena. renunciatory. has a peculiar love life. likes obscure or unfamiliar technology. musically inclined. capable as an artist. Magician. Singer.
Enjoyment of relaxation. Sudden yearsning for love. Pleasant mediumistic experience. Unexpected spitefulness. Surprise over an unknown attraction. Surprising renunciation. Liking for spiritualism. Obscure artistic technique. Future reforms in or due to art. Enjoyment of metaphysical stimuli.
- hypocritical. insincere. deluded. easily swayed. easily imposed upon. contrary. unfeeling.
Sudden desire for dissolution of ties. Upsetting deceit in love. Unexpected loss of affection. Sudden disharmony. Love in crisis.


Uranus square Venus / NOde: 0°59
+ enjoys contact with others. extroverted. people-oriented. gains sympathy readily. erotic. in demand. provocative. eccentric. artistically intuitive. likes technology, reforms, and innovations. has a sense of rhythm. good at dancing.
Sudden attraction. Unexpected harmonious contact. Surprising shared pleasure. Enjoyable event within an association. Pleasant events with each other. Enjoyment of mutual stimulation. Surprise over preference for association. Technical art. Reform in an artistic association.
- easily infatuated.
Tension in a love relationship.

Mars square Pluto / ASC: 0°59
+ skilled at planning. on schedule. sees the overview. skilled at organizing. able to perform many activities simultaneously. capable of outstanding accomplishments. strong-willed. purposeful. handy. skilled at developing. changes things. adapts considerably. spontaneous. assertive.
To build an active partnership. To contribute to change in the environment. To develop cooperative work. Change in a workteam. Transformation due to others' actions. To effect a change in partners. Increasing work of others. Development of a job at the location. To carry out a change of location.
- vacillating. disruptive. hot-


Uranus square Jupiter / MC: 0°56
+ keenly perceptive. resourceful. inventive. intuitive. perceptive about financial matters. clever. nimble. fair. just. skilled with mathematics or technology. reformist. future-oriented.
My successful event. Sudden good luck. My event with earnings. Money is like an adventure for me. Sudden good fortune. Surprising profits. To be unexpectedly favored. Sudden happiness and optimism.


Venus opposite Sun / Uranus: 1°15 a
+ intuitive. evokes sympathy quickly. vivacious. energetic. adventurous. high-spirited. enthusiastic. sensually refined. eccentric. future-oriented. skilled at reform. technically skilled. gifted with rhythm. artistically original.
Unexpected congeniality. Sudden attraction of a man. Love at first sight. Pleasant surprise. Unexpected pleasure. Sudden harmony between men. Sudden peace or conciliation due to a man. Pleasurable excitement. Pleasant event. Sudden balance in or of a body. Mathematician. Days of artistic stimulation. Years of unexpected love.
- easily infatuated. impetuous. impulsive. impatient. self-willed. immoderate. exorbitant. easily upset.
Tension in love relationships.

Jupiter conjunct Moon / Mercury: 1°01 a
+ intelligent. capable of accurate thinking. keenly perceptive. cheerful. positive in outlook. conciliatory. seeks peace. tactful. open; candid. forthright. insightful. experienced at handling money. has business acumen. fair. gifted with languages.
Good luck in youth. Pleasant youth. To think of happiness with the wife. Discussion with a wealthy woman. Enjoyable conversation. Gains in discussion with the wife. Talk about public finances. General optimistic outlook. To speak of public laws. To think of happy hours. Successful speech among the public. Beneficial mental activity. Profitable vehicle.
- emotionally biased in thinking. calculating. overly materialistic. susceptible to flattery. philistine.

Saturn square Venus / Uranus: 1°13 a
+ likes continual excitement controls one's sensual impulses. intuits quality. pragmatic. interested in functional technical art. prone to quick departures.
Enduring attraction with surprises. The adventure of enduring affection. Enjoyment of continual surprises. Sublimated sensuality. Serious desires due to stimulation. Technical problems in art. Hope for a speedy separation.
- continually under tension. stressed. shy. contrary in emotional matters. inhibited. restricted. jealous. distrustful.
Unexpected problems in love. Sudden difficulties with a hobby. Suppression of sensual stimulation. Unexpected estrangement. Hindrance of artistic reforms

Mars square Node / MC
+ eager for contact; outgoing. strong-willed. vivacious. energetic. active. resolute. industrious. ambitious. goal-oriented. capable of exceptional performance. ready for action. venturesome. strong anima. practical. assertive.
To initiate a relationship. To contribute to contacts. To use connections. To carry out cooperative work. Working association. To accomplish something with associates.
- impulsive. easily upset. lacking in self-control. impatient. inconsiderate. aggressive.


Mars square Neptune / MC
+ acts on one's intuitions. works with metaphysical factors. future-oriented.
My intuitive actions. To refuse an assignment. To act in private or in secret. Work with the obscure or unknown. Work with the metaphysical factors or non-solid substances.
- weak-willed. lacking in energy. resistant to work. lacking in self-reliance. lacking in self-awareness. self-disparaging. dissatisfied. sly. undermining. prone to refusal or rejection. off-balance. lacking in accomplishment. worrisome. acts as a medium.
Mistake. My indecision. Uncertainty about an undertaking. Lack of independence in work. To lose a job. Manipulation. Disillusionment with work. To commit deceit.

So THAT has been the influence I was under.

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Now, I had a look at the semisquare and sesisquares, too, which are as important as the other aspects (according to the Cosmobiologists), especially if the orb is well under 1°.

Node = Sun / Saturn (separating)
+ serious. persistent. steadfast. persevering. conditionally sociable. disciplined. slow but steady. conservative. pragmatic.
Firm bond with the husband. Connection with an older man. Continual contact with a person. Steadfast man in an association. Shared problems. Bone joint. Association in the evening.
- awkward. inhibited. restricted. confined. unnatural. stiff. difficult to contact. fearful. immobile. acts too late. sluggish. indifferent. unyielding. inferiority compensated for by vanity.
Difficulties due to association with the husband. Problematic relationship between men. Separation from a relationship. Physical restrictions or restraint. Difficulties or departures during the years. Delay or postponement of physical contact.

Moon = Sun / Pluto
+ experiences continual renewal in relationships. skilled at converting and transforming. capable at developing. adapts. spontaneous. able to deal with change and variety. likes an unregulated schedule. people-oriented. fluctuates or alternates. prone to change. Journalist.
Mutual transformation. Development of both partners. Change due to the other half. Daily rhythm of the hours. Fluctuating daily routine. Years of development for the wife or among the public. Years of change. Glandular activity. Circulation of the body fluids.
- not always trustworthy. [sometimes emotionally abusive.]
Vacillation in relationships.

Moon = Mercury / Pluto
+ gifted with language. skilled at developing. nimble. eloquent. skilled at synthesizing. spontaneous. adapts. willing to modify one's opinions. entertaining.
Exchange of thoughts with the wife. To think of a woman's development. Talk about changes due to the wife. To adapt to others in a conversation. Development of youth. Readjustment due to youth. Public change of views. Development of general comprehension. Change of public opinion. Nerve or glandular functions. New vehicle.
- overly subjective. impermanent. unreliable. [exploitive when unevolved.]


Mars = Venus / Neptune
+ instinctive. intuitive. has reliable hunches. highly perceptive. private; drawn to obscurities. sentimental. highly imaginative. enraptured. playful. dispassionate. goes with the flow. nonchalant. daydreams. future-oriented. intuitively creative in art. drawn to metaphysical phenomena.
To act on a secret attraction. Esoteric work as a hobby. Enjoyable metaphysical work. To apply artistic imagination or inspiration.
- contrary. secretive. frail. easily swayed. unenergetic. idle. fanatical. deluded. unrealistic. disinterested. apathetic. passive. lacking in self-control. self-indulgent. indifferent. emotionally cool. dissatisfied. may have sexual dysfunctions. easily imposed upon. perverse.
To contribute to loss of sympathy. Sexual insecurity. Mistakes in love. Denial of or due to relatives. Danger of infection. Kidney disease or dysfunction.


Mars = Venus / NOde
+ passionate. enthusiastic. outgoing; eager for contact. people-oriented. behaves humanely. enterprising. spontaneous. highly sexual. enjoys sports. artistically active or productive.
To initiate a loving connection. Enjoyment of cooperative activites. To pursue a hobby together. To establish harmony in a relationship. To contribute to equity in relationships. Work with pleasant contacts. Sexual bonding. Joint artistic activity.
- compulsive. prone to emotional outbursts. nymphomaniac. gambles. lacking in self-control. licentious.


Jupiter = Mars / NEptune
+ fruitfully imaginative. acts on hunches. keenly perceptive. futuristic. acts in private; behaves obscurely. speculates. spends money freely. enjoys working with metaphysical factors.
Good luck in future work. Successful work for the future. Beneficial intuitively-guided actions. Engagement to marry. Successful speculation. Help at the right time. Mistake with a favorable outcome.
- unconsciously indecisive in one's work. contrary. superficial; shallow. not always trustworthy. irresponsible. easily fatigued. decreasingly productive. profligate. unfair in dealings. Spendthrift.
Uncertainty about financial activities or legal actions. Uncertain success in an undertaking. Unfortunate acts. Unjust deeds. Illegal activities. To contribute to financial losses. Fraud. Increasing lack of energy. Miscarriage. Impotence. Weak lungs.


Uranus = Mars / PLuto
+ skilled at organizing. plans well. good at classifying and arranging. comprehensive; sees the overview. strong-willed. industrious. capable of record accomplishments. changes things. spontaneous. active. productive. nimble. energetic. capable of doing many jobs simultaneously. reformist. practical. spontaneous. assertive.
Sudden change at or of work. Unexpected increase of activities. Surprising development of energies. Excitement over readjustment at work. Development of a technical assignment. Current striving for reforms. Stimulus to change at or of work. Excitement about organizing. Transformation related to technical work.
- fanatical. rash. precipitate. vacillating. unsettled. inconsiderate. aggressive. [abusive when unevolved.]
To contribute to tensions in relation to a change. Changes due to an accident.


Venus = Moon / ASC
+ sentimental. humane. enjoys contact with others. amiable. lovable. friendly. charming. attractive. congenial. appealing. even-tempered. peace-loving. accommodating. giving. nurturing. warm-hearted. affectionate. sensual. loving. people-oriented. goes with the flow. artistically talented.
The love of the wife for her partner. Harmony in the environment due to the wife. Loving relationship. To exert power of attraction. To experience affection. Pleasant interaction with a woman. Sympathy of other women. Female acquaintance. Happiness about public position. Hour of satisfaction. Public art.


Mars = Venus / ASC
+ passionate. accommodating. giving. highly sexual. enterprising. spontaneous. stimulating. artistically creative.
To initiate a pleasant relationship. Intimate acquaintance. Blood relatives. Enjoyment of teamwork. To create harmony in the environment. Joint artistic creation. Sexual intercourse. Artistic activities at the location.
- temperamental. nymphomaniac. insincere. flirtatious.


Pluto = Sun / MC
+ skilled at developing. talented at converting or transforming. adapts. spontaneous. alternates. changes things. likes variety.
My physical development. Readjustments for me due to a man. Changes in relation to my husband. Personal alterations or transformation. My personal relationship to nourishment or nutrition. Change in personal diet. Times of much change. Days of readjustment. Years of development.
- unstable. not always trustworthy. [exploitive or abusive when unevolved.]


Uranus = NOde / MC
+ enjoys contact with others. intuitive. quick to size up situations. original. prone to the unusual. spontaneous. unpredictable. future-oriented. reformist. progressive. gifted with rhythm. technically inclined.
- self-willed. non-committal. tense. unsteady. unsettled. disruptive.

Node = Pluto / MC
+ skilled at developing. socially accessible. adapts. capable at transforming. spontaneous. alternates.
Personal change due to connections. New personal contacts. Development of a relationship. My transformation due a relationship. Change within professional associations. To develop together.
- fluctuating. vacillating. [exploitive or abusive when unevolved.]

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I have also looked at his Transits on that date (applying Transits: 1°; separating transits: 0°30); those with * are under 10 minutes of arc


Neptune = Sun / Pluto*
+ sensitive. highly perceptive. intuitive. private; drawn to obscurities. daydreams. changes things. fluctuates. alternates. interested in metaphysical factors.
Readjustments due to a secretive or unfamiliar person. Personal changes despite uncertainties. Imperceptible transformation. Development of sensitivity. Alteration or circulation of body fluids. Change in humidity. Water or air currents.
- semiconscious. deluded. secretive. inconsistent. vacillating. fickle. not always trustworthy. ambiguous; unclear. evasive. underhanded. slippery. deceptive.
Increasing uncertainty. Deceiving or disappointing change. Increasing physical weakness. Worsening health. Lack of appetite.


Venus = Moon / Venus*
+ sentimental. even-tempered. friendly. peaceful. warm-hearted. kind. caring. concerned. accommodating. giving. affectionate. mellow. gentle. pleasant. sensual. smooth. longing. hopeful. epicurean. tasteful. attractive. elegant. gracious. charming. beauty-conscious. artistic.
Loving woman. Pretty girl. Love of the wife. Inner equilibrium. In harmony with oneself. Hour of joy. Beauty. Sympathy among the public. Artiste.
- emotionally biased. hedonistic. vain. narcissistic. has cravings.


Neptune = Moon / PLuto
+ private; drawn to obscurities. sensitive. highly imaginative. daydreams. hesitates. varies. interested in metaphysical and intangible realities.
Subtle changes with or due to the wife. Future development or change of the wife. Increasing sensitivity. Emotionally fluctuating disposition. Hours of relaxation. Change of weather. Air currents. Waves.
- secretive. unconscious. deluded. tricky. inconsistent. easily swayed. indecisive. transitory. wavering. moody. unrealistic. hysterical.
Confusing readjustment of circumstances. Moodiness. Secrecy of a variable woman. Increasing weakness. Increasing deceit due to the wife. Increasing instability among the public. Growing sacrifices or losses of a nation.


Moon = Mercury / Venus
+ enjoys contact with others. charming. amiable. clever. conciliatory. friendly. peaceable. well-intentioned. sympathetic. giving. people-oriented. hopeful. longing. sensuous. appreciates beauty. tasteful. musically gifted. communicates appealingly. talented with language. capable at art.
Pleasant conversation with a woman. To think of the affection of the wife. Love of a young girl. Discussion of harmonious love life. Youthful love. Encounter among the public. To speak of public popularity. Youthful beauty. Preference of or for young people. Public opinion about art.
- has cravings. hedonistic. vain. narcissistic. emotionally biased in thinking. subjective.


Pluto = Mercury / PLuto*
+ highly aware. handles developmental procedures intelligently. agile. flexible. lively. rhythmic. adapts. changes. alters opinions readily. spontaneous. entertaining. gifted with language. has business acumen.
Exchange of thoughts. To develop an idea. To change one's outlook. Change in thinking. Development of conversation. Discussion of readjustments. Communication about a transformation. Communication exchange. Change of opinion. Increasing mobility. Commercial development.
- wavering. [exploitive or verbally abusive when unevolved.]


Neptune = Venus / ASC
+ intuitive. private. daydreams. desirous. highly imaginative. illusory. has unusual ideas about love. shy. hesitates. capable at acting. musically inclined. has artistic talent. attracted to metaphysics.
Private or secret love affair. Casual contacts with art. Actor at the location.
- secretive. has cravings. deluded. uncertain. evasive. insincere. cunning. phony. may have sexual dysfunctions. unfeeling.
Uncertainty about attractions. Feigned love of or for others. To come off as being unsympathetic. Loss of sympathy. Little happiness in or due to the environment. Insincere love partner. Disappointment in love. Others' tastelessness or insipidness. Dissolution of a harmonious relationship.


Venus = Venus / MC
+ giving. event-tempered. agreeable. sympathetic. benevolent. engaging. desirous. people-oriented. aesthetically-conscious. has good taste. has a good sense of texture, color, and form. artistically gifted.
Inner balance. Feeling of love. To experience affection. To be attractive. To enjoy sympathy or popularity. My enjoyment. Personal preference. One's own desires. My hobby. Me and art.
- takes for granted. narcissistic. vain. has cravings.


Sun = Mars / URanus
+ energetic. works quickly. capricious. high-spirited. future-oriented. handy. technically gifted. reformist. innovative. progressive.
Sudden actions of a man. To proceed energetically. Unexpected assertion of energy. Surprising action. Spontaneous act. To get excited. Technical work. Days or years of exciting activities.
- impulsive. precipitate. rash. restless. fidgety. lacking in self-control. unpredictable. obstinate. prone to emotional outbursts. hot-tempered. ruthless. rebellious.
To get upset. To contribute to tensions. Assault. Accident. Physical tension in activities. Sharp pain. Days or years of damages.

Saturn = Mars / URanus
+ capable of difficult technical work. works continuously for reforms. acts on instincts. pragmatic.
Lengthy technical assignment. Occasional reform work. Restraint of impulsiveness. To effect sudden separations or departures.
- cramped; repressed. tense as a spring. contrary. touchy. injury prone quarrelsome. disputatious. gets angry. fanatical. potentially brutal. suicidal in some cases.
Surprising difficulties at work. Restriction of individuality at work. Sudden stoppage of work or action. To bring about continual tension. To deal with or cause crises. Upset over limitations. Injury. Sudden death. Possible suicidal inclinations.


Sun = Jupiter / URanus
+ keenly perceptive. intuitive. lively. brisk. future-oriented. resourceful. inventive. fair. quick to size up situations. original. interested in the unusual. unpredictable. eccentric. reformist. technically oriented. has rhythm. progressive.
Sudden good luck with or due to the husband. Sudden or unexpected benefits or income. Beneficial event with a person. Enjoyable events. Pleasant surprises. Unexpected justice. Surprise over the wealth of a man. Successful technician. Eventful day. Years of successful events. Survival instinct.
- impulsive. self-willed. easily upset. unsettled. rebellious.
Increasing physical tension or stress.


Pluto = Jupiter / Pluto
+ successful at developing. adapts. skilled at transforming. clever. courteous. obliging. positive in outlook. experienced at handling money. advocates justice. prudent. congenial. likes change.
Favorable development. Beneficial alteration. Increasing success. Profitable readjustment. Lucky transformation. Beneficial change. Growing profits. Momentary gains. Financial development. Self-developed justice. Liver functions.
- not always trustworthy. vacillating. unsettled. unstable. [financially exploitive when unevolved.]


Neptune = Saturn / Pluto
+ seriously interested in metaphysical factors. alternately impulsive and inhibited.
Alteration of the past for the future. Slow or gradual spiritual development. Relationship between past, present, and future. Imperceptible resolution of problems. Uncertainty about eventual changes. Transition in connection with an unrecognized delay. Resolution of medical problems. Changes due to a dissolution of barriers. Freezing of water. Snow.
- ambivalent. swings from one extreme to the other. unstable. hindered in developmental capacity. disillusioned. contrary. either inhibited, or lacking in self-control. pathologically fickle.
Momentarily ongoing uncertainty. Disappointing past changes. Imperceptible development of problems. Dissolution of a long-term change. Developing medical problems. Changes due to illness.


Jupiter = Uranus / Neptune*
+ intuitive. highly imaginative. hopeful. future-oriented. daydreams. open-minded about metaphysical factors. mediumistic. interested in the occult. resourceful. ingenious.
Favorable dissolution of tensions. Relaxation about finances. Unexpected easily earned money. Inheritance. Gains from intuitions about metaphysical factors. Excitement over much water. Success with obscure [or predictive] technology.
- deluded. contrary. unrealistic. poor at handling money. unfair. lacking in self-control.
Future financial uncertainty. Pointless surprise over gains. Surprise over counterfeit money. Uncertainty about a successful event. Sudden or unexpected financial losses. Financial checkmate. Upsets over ambiguous legal situations


Uranus = Uranus / Pluto
+ energetic. industrious. flexible. readily stimulated. impatient. alterable. capable at technical development. reformist. gifted with rhythm.
Sudden change. Surprising development. Unexpected readjustment. Exciting or adventurous change. Development of a stimulus. Increasing excitement. Transformation due to reforms. Technical innovation or development. Futuristic development. Current event.
- impulsive. restless. tense. easily upset. hectic. agitated. stressed. explosive. unsettled. turbulent. unstable. vacillating. [abusive when unevolved.]
Growing tensions. Increasing stress. Upsetting readjustment.


Venus = Uranus / Node* (orb is 0°00! )
+ enjoys contact with others. extroverted. people-oriented. gains sympathy readily. erotic. in demand. provocative. eccentric. artistically intuitive. likes technology, reforms, and innovations. has a sense of rhythm. good at dancing.
Sudden attraction. Unexpected harmonious contact. Surprising shared pleasure. Enjoyable event within an association. Pleasant events with each other. Enjoyment of mutual stimulation. Surprise over preference for association. Technical art. Reform in an artistic association.
- easily infatuated.
Tension in a love relationship.


Neptune = Pluto / MC*
+ sensitive. highly imaginative. daydreams. private; drawn to obscurities. capable at metaphysical development.
Developments in personal privacy. Subtle or imperceptible changes. Subtle transformations. Secret or private changes. Subconscious changes. Developments in the metaphysical realm.
- semiconscious or unconscious. secretive. tricky. unclear; ambiguous. impermanent. unreliable. fickle. moody. unstable. inconsistent.
Gradual loss. Ambiguity about developments. My disillusionment about a change. To remain in the background. To be missing. To contribute to deceit.


Node = Pluto / ASC
+ enjoys contact with others. skilled at developing. adapts. spontaneous. people-oriented. changes things.
Changes in or due to a relationship with a partner. Our interchanges in the relationship. New contacts in the environment. Mutual development/s in a relationship. Transformation due to the partner's contacts. Development due to association with others. New relationships at the location. Local developments due to an association.
- vacillating. not always trustworthy. unsteady. impermanent.

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Izo!

And I Googled my heart out for you, baby! LOL! Yeah...I couldn't find the thread, but thought that you might find some of them in the ones I posted.

Awesome, DD! What are the orbs for MPs? And are progressed planets to anothers MP significant?

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Wow. Thank you so much darkdreamer for all the information.

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posted May 25, 2008 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tigerlily     Edit/Delete Message
There's also a book out on midpoints: "Midpoints" by Don McBroom. I was able to get it used on Amazon Marketplace.

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darkdreamer

What would you make of Mercury conjunct the following midpoints in synastry?

Pluto/Mars
Pluto/Venus
Sun/Moon
Mars/Moon
Sun/Jupiter

I'm barely getting to grips with this subject so far.

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posted May 26, 2008 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for izodesmozina     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, 8th I highly apreciated your efforts!

Thank you, DD!
Could you do one more for me? MC=Sun/Moon. I have this natally. From what I've seen, they focus on natals. I think that's my most important midpoint aspect.

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posted May 26, 2008 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Regarding the orbs of midpoints there is a bit of disagreement.

the Cosmobiology / Uranian astrology uses a tight 1° orb for everything.

Most other astrologers I have seen use 2° for conjunction / Oppositions, 1,5° for squares and 1° for semisquare and sesisquare.

For transits and progressons I`D use 1°, maybe even only 0,5°, because usually there are such a lot that it gets confusing.

but in my example you could see for both of us a high Uranian-vibe, which makes sense.

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Mercury = Pluto/Mars
+ productively ambitious. practical. skillful. comprehensive; sees the overview. skilled at organizing. proceeds according to plans. systematic. carries on several activities simultaneously. skilled at combining things. assimilates readily. frequently changes opinions about work. change-prone.
Discussion of varying activities. To implement new ideas. To speak of increasing work. Stimulating exchange of ideas. To think of changes in work. To initiate an evolving discussion. Discussion of job development/s. Talk about readjustments. Change in commercial activities.
- easily scattered; tries do too many things at once. [exploitive or verbally abusive when unevolved.]


Mercury = Pluto/Venus
+ enjoys contact with others. skilled at communicating. courteous. obliging. clever. conciliatory. adapts. spontaneous. eloquent. talented with languages. effectively expressive.
New acquaintances. To develop an encounter. Discussion of pleasant changes. To develop sympathy due to a conversation. Current love issues under discussion. Enjoyment of exchange of opinions. To think of current hobbies. To speak of a spontaneous attraction. Ideas about artistic development. Discussion of artistic transformation. Developments in literature.
- flirtatious. fluctuates in opinions. vacillates. [exploitive in love when unevolved.]

Mercury = Sun/Moon
+ stays busy. agile. youthful. nimble. open-minded. entertaining. stimulating. has one's own ideas. talented with language. people-oriented. likes variety. has business acumen.
Thoughts of partnership between a man and woman. Young husband of a woman. Young wife of a man. Youthful marriage. Engaging conversation with another. Discussion of partnership. Entertaining hours of the day. Daily business hours. Timetable. Functions of the brain, nerves, and glands.
- overly subjective. overly emotional in thinking. uncritical.
SU.MO.ME.VE.PL.
+ Theater program.
SU.MO.ME.NE.
+ Writer.

Mercury = Mars/Moon
+ woman with strong animus. dynamic. energetic. decides quickly. active. spontaneous. capable of outstanding achievements. persuasive. practical. critical. concise. Orator. Author. Journalist.
Energetic young woman. The drive for action in youth. Abrupt resolute actions. Conversation with a dynamic woman. To think of a woman's activities. To put plans into action with a woman. Public debate. Discussions of or during worktime. To give a public speech. Orders. Decree. Discussion in public. News about public opinion.
- jumps to conclusions. impulsive. judges severely. argumentative. lacking in self-control. inconsiderate. disputatious.
Argument or dispute. Strife.


Mercury = Sun/Jupiter
+ thinks accurately. intelligent. eloquent. expresses oneself well. gifted with language. highly perceptive. cheerful. lively. high-spirited. good-natured. fair. optimistic. positive in outlook. people-oriented. experienced at handling money. has business acumen. capable at math. Financier.
Discussion of fairness. Good news about someone. Positive thoughts about a man. Successful ideas. Discussion of finances. Happy youth. Success of young men. Discussion of the laws and rights of men. Talk about physical well-being. Good speaker. Business gains. Beneficial discussion on a given day. Commercial profits during the years.
- cunning. overly materialistic.


MC = Sun / MOON
+ warm-hearted. nurturing. caring. kind. benevolent. strong animus in woman. strong anima in man. giving. cozy. introspective. receptive. in harmony with body, soul, and spirit.
My wife or husband. Personal relationship to the partner. How I stand in public. The glandular system. On the day, in the hour, at the minute. Spirit, mind, and body in harmony.
- indifferent. moody. fatalistic.

But you can interprete it by yourself. Just think of the midpoint as some sort of blending or conjunction of the two planets, which colours the triggering planet.

Example:
Mercury = Mars / Pluto
Mercury symbolizes your communication-style and your thoughtpattern. Now what does it mean if your communicating style is coloured by Mars and Pluto?
I think it might be someone who can be very probing, maybe not talk all that much, but what he sais can be very painfully true. And probably he wouldn`t be too diplomatic.

It is getting interesting if you see several midpoints getting triggered by the same planet, because now you have to integrate many different qualities.

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Thank you, DD!

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