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darkdreamer
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posted May 25, 2008 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
I just reread that article by Rose Murray, and applied it to my synastries with those singers, the one I still owe a mail (I know, Izo ) and the other one I promised a horoscope.

In the case of the one I owe a mail:

My Moon falls into his 12th house and exactly conjuncts his SN

his IC-ruler conjuncts my IC

My Saturn squares his Sun exactly

In the case of the other one, whom I owe a horoscope now:

my Moon in his 12th house
his Uranus in my 12th house
(there is also a Moon-Venus-conjunction in the 12th house in the composite)

his Saturn squares my Sun and DSC-ruler exactly

his Part of Karma conjuncts my Sun and Mercury, which rules my 7th house
his Parto of Karma is also exactly solstice conjunct my Venus, which rules my 5th house
(his Part of Karma falls into my 1st house)

my Part of Karma opposes his Sun and Moon, which rules his 5th house, exactly
my part of Karma exactly conjunct his IC
(my Part of Karma falls into his 4th house, naturally)


Seems I have known him from somewhere before.


So, I went on and checked the nodal axis a little bit more closely.

His SN falls into my 3rd house and my SN falls into his 3rd house (conjunct the cusp)
- have we been brother and sister in a previous life? Or some kind of friends?

Now, his Mercury conjuncts my NN exactly - a possible contact in this lifeline?
My Uranus exactly sextiles his NN, and URanus rules not only my Moon but also my 3rd house!
3rd house again!

Did I mention that my Part of Karma and his IC fall in Gemini? Oh, my asteroid Karma also falls into Gemini.

However, if I look at the rulers of the nodal axis.

The ruler of his SN (Neptune and Jupiter):

- Neptune is widely conjunct my - jip you guessed it- MERCURY (orb: 4,5°) (and my Neptune, as intercepted ruler of 3rd house, is exactly conjunct his Mercury)
- but Mercury is also ruler of my 7th house and of my SN, so it basically means that his SN ruler is conjunct my DSC-ruler and conjunct my SN-ruler

- his Neptune is also widely conjunct my Sun (orb: 5°)
- oh neptune, as his SN-ruler, falls into my 1st house and into the same sign as my NN is in.

- his other SN-ruler, Jupiter, falls into my 9th house
- Jupiter exactly squares Neptune, my 3rd house-ruler
- Jupiter also exactly opposes Jupiter, my ASC-ruler AND my NN-ruler - therefore an exact connection between his SN and my NN through rulership (of course Juptier is also the old ruler of my 3rd house)

REgarding my SN:
- my SN-ruler (and DSC-ruler) is MErcury
- Mercury conjuncts his SN-ruler Neptune, which rules his ASC (wow!)
- Mercury also conjuncts his MC and Sun
- Mercury conjuncts his Moon, which rules his 5th house
- Mercury conjuncts his Part of Karma
- my SN-ruler falls onto the cusp of his 10th house


Now for the NN:

- his NN-ruler is Mercury and falls into my 9th house; Mercury also rules his IC and DSC
- his NN-ruler makes an awful lot of aspects to my chart:
° widely conjuncts my Mars, which rules my IC (4,5°)
° squares my Jupiter, which rules my ASC and NN
° exactly conjuncts my Neptune, which rules my 3rd house
° exactly sextiles my Pluto, which rules my 11th and 12th house
° conjuncts my ASC
° exactly conjuncts my NN

My NN-ruler is JUpiter:
- Jupiter falls into his 12th house, but into the same sign as his ASC (oh I forgot to mention in my above list, that my ASC-ruler also falls into his 12th house, conjunct his Eros and my name in his chart)

- Jupiter square his Mercury, which rules his NN, IC and DSC
- opposes his Mars exactly, which rules his intercepted 1st house
- opposes his Jupiter exactly, which rules his SN, MC, ASC, Sun, Moon and NN. LOL


Pretty impressive list.


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darkdreamer
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posted May 25, 2008 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
I found that interesting article:

Nuances Of Karmic Astrology
By David Allen Peterson and Susan SmithIn the East, it is believed that once an individual experiences physical death, that the soul travels to a realm where it is weighed and measured. If the soul is found to have any desire greater than the weight of a feather, it is sent back; and returned to material/physical incarnation. In the West, this eastern philosophical/religious belief is reflected universally within the symbolism of astrology.

An individual's soul is born into a nativity chart that progresses secondarily during the span of years that constitutes its entire lifetime up until the time of demise. The soul is then reincarnated into a successive lifetime where the secondary progressed chart at the time of death in the prior incarnation then becomes the new lifetime's nativity chart. This process repeats itself continuously until that individual's soul has both karmically and spiritually purged itself of desire through all potential archetypical experiences within the zodiac. This may seem to bear little relevance to the topic at hand, (Karmic Synastry) however, as all astrologers inevitably become aware, every aspect and component of astrology is relevant in the final analysis.

In the field of karmic synastry, the natal south node of one individual, it's sign, planetary ruler, and exalted planetary ruler - when placed into the nativity chart of another individual, is symbolic and representative of that south nodal individual's prior life orientation and modality of involvement with respect to, and toward the other individual. Moreover, it is also reflective of the other individual's karmically predisposed orientation with respect to experiencing that south nodal individual's actions and behaviors. All else being equal, the south node is conventionally symbolic and representative of an individual's own gravitational "line of least resistance" in their own nativity. Ergo, in synastry then, this too is where one individual will instinctively gravitate to in relation to another individual, their "line of least resistance" with respect to their relational dynamics toward another person.

It is most important for astrologers to bear in mind when reviewing these astrological signatures of karmic involvement, (employing the synastry methods outlined here) that the south nodal individual has already experienced past involvement with the other person in these specific ways in prior incarnations. It is precisely because of this dynamic that explains "why" the south nodal individual is already extremely predisposed to relating and reacting toward the other person in these particular ways.

The first rule astrologers must observe with respect to determining whether or not two individuals have had prior-life involvement is to determine the reliability of factors involved between cross chart (synastry) contacts. Tight planetary/angular aspect orbs between these contacts must be a consideration in this analysis as well as one or more of the following criteria:

a) the planetary ruler and/or exalted planetary ruler of one individual's south nodal sign is in *Ptolemaic aspect or quincunx to the planetary ruler and exalted planetary ruler of the sign that the other's south node is in,

b) the south node itself of one individual is in Ptolemaic aspect or quincunx to the planetary ruler and/or exalted planetary ruler of the sign that the other individual's south node is placed,

c) the south node of one individual is in tight conjunction to any angular cusp in the other's nativity,

d) the planetary ruler and/or exalted planetary ruler of one individual's south nodal sign is in tight conjunction to any angular cusp in the other's nativity,

e) any angularly placed PNE point (Pre Natal Eclipse point) of one individual is in tight conjunction or opposition to any one of the aforementioned points in the other's nativity. (Pre Natal Eclipses are those eclipses of magnitude .500 or greater that occurred during the nine month period predating a person's date of birth),

f) any retrograde "outer" planet of one individual (such as Saturn, Uranus, Neptune or Pluto) is in tight aspect to any aforementioned points in the other's nativity,

g) the vertex/anti-vertex points of one individual is in tight conjunction to any aforementioned contact point in the other person's nativity. The vertex/anti-vertex points are considered to be "auxiliary" ascendant/descendant axis points discovered by Johndro, and later elaborated upon by Charles Jayne and others. (NOTE: the author emphatically suggests both the uses of the natal and the solar arc secondarily progressed vertex/anti-vertex points in this consideration.

Many astrologers have noted on numerous occasions the occurrences of vertex/anti-vertex synastry conjunctions between two individuals that experience an extremely fated, predestinated relationship of great magnitude that irrevocably alters the landscapes of their respective lives,
h) any fixed star angularly place in one individual's nativity is in tight conjunction or opposition to any of the aforementioned points of contact within the other person's nativity.

Once these points of karmic contact have been established by the reviewing astrologer, they then can thus delineate the nature and character of these prior life involvements by reviewing the placement of planets in each others houses; cross-chart aspects made between the individual's planets and sensitive points, and the very nature of the distinctive energies involved. Again, these areas in this lifetime will be where each of the individuals instinctively gravitates to with respect to their relational dynamics to one another.

The north node in this comparison points to where each individual can escape (evolve out from) the crystallized habits and patterns established in the past (south node). Conventionally, the south node has been attributed with a Saturnian connotation. This is because the past acts in much the same fashion as chains that bind, limit, and restrict. Most of us would agree that "habit" is rooted in past conditioning and is thus "gravitational" in the sense that it is comfortably familiar and known; even if the habits and patterns are unhealthy and destructive in nature.

In Western astrology, the north node has a Jupiterian connotation and is perceived as being symbolic of the future. More accurately, the north node symbolizes the specific evolutionary "pull" of the future and karmically intended future acting upon the present life and its circumstances. Its "pull" acts as an accelerant-point that serves to evolve us out from crystallized modes, behaviors, habits and orientations established in the karmic past. It's house position; planetary ruler placements and aspects, would be indicative of where, how and in what manner this evolutionary pull of the future will act within the individual's present lifetime. This dynamic will be evident in synastry as well, but in a more relational context. The patterns revealed by cross-chart, north nodal contacts will reveal where, how, and in what manner the evolutionary pull of the future will act within the present life relationship. This too serves to pull the two individuals away from karmically old, habitual ways (south node) of relating and reacting toward each other.

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