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starrym
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posted June 04, 2008 11:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey knowflakes, i just found out recently that my mother has two really tight T-squares in her natal chart -

one is Pluto(Virgo) opposing Chiron(Pisces) squaring Moon(Gemini).

the other is Neptune (Scorpio) opposing Venus (Taurus) squaring (Saturn).

please help - interpretations? here is her whole chart:
http://www.astro.com/tmpd/cienfileUBswtc-u1212555151/astro_2gw_01_mom.56060.1101.gif

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blue moon
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posted June 04, 2008 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some thoughts on the second ~> Neptune Opposite Venus is an idealistic, romantic and sensitive combination. Here it is straddling the ASC/DESC axis. Saturn slapped in the middle is a reality check like no other. She's coming across to me like a wise person, but I don't think getting that way was easy. Neptune close to the Ascendant is a person in tune with what is going on about them, maybe uncannily so at times. Venus on the descendant needs to reach out to other people. Saturn in the 3rd, the house it rules, suggests to me she has learnt control in communicating what she picks up about other people. I'm giving it a positive spin, but Saturn is Trine the Moon so that is suggesting to me she is an emotionally mature and sensible person. The Moon in Gemini is Sextile Mercury, it's ruler, adding to the sense of having learnt to use what she thinks and feels in an intelligent way.

The other T-Square tells its own story if we break it down. Pluto is all that is hidden and profound, opposite Chiron the Healer. It lies in the houses of career and family, father and mother. Both Square the Moon, and that is where the tension is forced into a solution. The Moon representing instinctive reacations is overpowered by Pluto, but again we are getting a pattern as the Moon is in Pluto's house. This is a very intuitive placement. Her experiences as a child will have had a strong effect on her emotional reactions as an adult.

There's some good stuff on Chiron aspects here:

http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/chironaspects.html


I had another good page for this but it has gone now. *sulk* On this one it's general synopsis for Moon/Chiron is 'there is no S in mother'.

It's interesting you have put in the Vertex on this chart. Draw the Vertex/Anti-Vertex axis and you have a Grand Cross. That would make me think there is a life lesson in this whole configuration, but wouldn't ask ~ as a Moon/Pluto person myself I have the feeling I wouldn't get an answer easily.

http://thezodiac.com/notworth.htm


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starrym
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posted June 04, 2008 09:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow! thank you blue moon. what a beautiful interpretation.

she is definitely very powerful in communication - when she wants to be. she has really sharp insights about situations and people. she knows how to express it and knows how to read situations.

i feel like venus opposition asc may have something do with the way in which she isolates herself from others - she is actually very touchy with her personal space and life (scorpio like) and doesn't fare well with friends or relationships that are detached.

maybe the saturn sextile to the moon may indicate emotional maturity sometimes... but the other T-square with the moon really breaks it down. at times she just *snaps*. i think its really appropriate that her Sun is in Aries because she is a complete warrior- sometimes just very argumentative. her emotions can be incredibly unstable ranging from rational and wise to very childish and absurd (Gemini moon)... and i can tell there have been some insane wounds as some point which come out when she snaps - and this may be related to the Chiron-Pluto in the T square.

Chiron in the 4th is really fitting - her parents were disrespectful of her. her mom was manipulative and put her down a lot and her father was argumentative and i think at times violent.

Pluto in the 10th - not sure what to make of this one except that in school she was exceptional and she was very driven in her career. of course her parents were completely opposed to it because she was a girl.. and they didnt want her to have a good career. she managed to break off from them, move to america and become a successful business woman.. a lot of pain the process though.

there are some very weird irrational emotional screaming cycles she goes through in which she is extremely absurd and ridiculous - and i think this is something left over from her childhood that she was never able to deal with because her coping patterns are like a childs.

i hope to understand my mother better.. seeing that there is a Chiron-Pluto opposition explains a lot of pain stored up..
thank you so much for your help!

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posted June 05, 2008 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
10th is also social status. Actually I have Pluto in this house ~ conjoined the Moon. It is something of a social mask. I bet people who know your mother would be surprised she can be so childish at home. But if she's had a rough ride it's got to come out somewhere. Maybe she has had to learn to keep these things hidden from public view and to cope alone as best she can.

It's also the house of the father, so I think there is significance in having an opposition with the mother's house.

This is what I love about astrology, it helps you fathom out some of these tricky hidden parts of people's psyches and makes you more tolerant of their more difficult traits. There's normally a reason.

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posted May 26, 2012 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While the OP has referenced the T-square formation the following quote is one of the best I've read for Moon in aspect to chiron. Reading the replies might show you your own particular config.

The writer has many interpretive key phrases, some may resonate with you.

~I still miss blue moon

quote:

Moon/Chiron Aspects



Emotionally wounded. Profound sensitivity. Wounded women. A wounded mother. Needing or giving emotional healing. Damaged sense of mothering. Damaged relationship to self-care. Holistic approach to emotional healing. Painful emotions. Painful female relationships. Emotionally vulnerable. Painfully sensitive to other people’s feelings. Painfully sensitive to your mother’s feelings. Emotionally traumatized. Emotional integration. Holistic care. Holistic food choices. Bearing emotional pain. A distorted relationship with your inner feeling life. Emotionally unorthodox. Unorthodox attachments. Emotionally rebellious. Your feeling nature is outside the norm. The way you feel about things isn’t typical.

Coming up with your own rules for how you want to be nurtured. Forging a new path in caring relationships. Finding new, untried emotional healing methods. Feeling abnormal. Feeling that other people cannot relate to your emotional pain. Deep hurts. Emotional injuries. Painful issues surrounding mothers, mothering, nurturing, nourishment and relationships with women. Working through painful emotions opens new doors. Resistance to letting yourself be understood emotionally. Resistance to sharing feelings. Empathy for other people, but little for yourself. Giving yourself the short end of the stick when it comes to feeling good. Solving other people’s emotional issues but not your own. Letting yourself be guided by your feelings. Letting instinct guide you. Learning to trust your hunches. Learning to trust your intuition. Going with your gut. Working through painful sensitivity. Feeling like a misfit. Feeling abandoned. Fears of abandonment. Feeling like an outsider. The black sheep. The family outcast. The loner.

Feeling like you don’t fit in. Feeling like you don’t belong. Intuitive gifts. The natural healer. The natural astrologer. Unconventional nurturing instincts. Radical emotional insights. Painful sensitivity to family history. Excruciatingly sensitive. Wanting to isolate to keep from feeling. Attempting to ignore your emotional life to avoid pain emotions. Painful feelings stay fresh even as time goes on. Your capacity to tune in to other people’s feelings. The ability to sense what other people are feeling. Feeling other people’s problems. Sensitivity to pain. Inability to find help for your emotional problems and issues. Turn inward during periods of emotional crisis.

The capacity to help people work through their emotional issues. Wearing your heart on your sleeve. Getting hurt by the ones you love- especially family members. Reluctance to admit that you have feelings. Pretending to be stone cold while leaving a trail of blood behind you. Emotional reflexes. Individualistic behavior patterns. Deviating from family behavior patterns. Deviating from accepted emotional responses. Deviating from normal emotional expression and expectations. Nonconformist behavior. Empathy for the wounded and for people on the fringes of society. Freaky behavior. Oddball reactions. A natural radical. Emotional intelligence.



Read more: http://astrofix.net/2010/07/08/moonchiron-aspects-brainstorm/#ixzz1w1xgjsZ6

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