posted June 05, 2008 12:25 PM         

I never knew my father because he had a drug problem. I was raised by my mother and stepfather. My stepfather was the only father figure that I knew. I haven't seen my stepfather since I was 18 years old after he and my mom broke up.

Sun in Scorpio in 2nd
conjunct retrograde Ixion(kuiper belt,plutino) - '04
conjunct Quaoar (kuiper belt,cubewano) - 2'57
trine Moon in Pisces in 6th
quincunx Retrograde in Saturn in Gemini in 9th
contraparallel Pluto in Libra in 1st

Saturn is also thought to be the father
Saturn in 9th conjunct Midheaven in Gemini
Saturn oppose Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd
trine Pluto in Libra in 1st

10th house ruler (Mercury) in Scorpio
conjunct/parallel Venus in Scorpio in 3rd
contraparallel Saturn
parallel Neptune

as you see, there really aren't any cut and dry answers.

posted June 05, 2008 08:09 PM         

My chart ruler is Scorpio and my first house is tenanted by Scorpio Mars, Scorpio Jupiter, Sagittarius Uranus and is loaded by asteroids. My 12th house is also heavy, It is ruled by Virgo. it's tenants are (Saturn, Pluto and Mercuryin Libra).

Let me break it down better for you:

Asc: Scorpio
Sun : Virgo (11th House)
Moon: Cancer (10th House)
Mercury: Libra (12th House)
Venus: Virgo (11th House)
Mars: Scorpio (1st House)
Jupiter: Scorpio (1st House)
Saturn: Libra (12th House)
Uranus: Sagittarius (1st House)
Neptune: Sagittarius (2nd House)
Pluto: Libra (12th House)
Chrion: Taurus (7th House)
NN: Cancer (9th House)
MC: Cancer

1. My 3rd and 4th houses are both ruled by Capricorn/Saturn.

2. Similarly 9th and 10th houses are ruled by Cancer/Moon.

3. 12th house tenants are square MC and Moon. (Moon is on MC exact)

4. Uranus squares my Sun.
5. Neptune squares my Venus
6. Chiron opposes Mars and Uranus.

7. My Scorpio placements are dignified twice or three times, so I am quite Plutonian. So, my Scorpio Mars is stronger than it would be were it in another house, and my Asc is very much how I express myself etc.

8. My Moon is also dignified.

posted June 05, 2008 09:43 PM         

My dad also separated from mom and me since i was born. i saw him a couple of time. have a really bad childhood and the effects still live on lolz

Pluto Scorpio 9°53'50 in house 8 retrograde

Sun Pisces 8°50'17 end of house 12 direct

Moon Pisces 8°05'13 in house 12 direct

Mercury Pisces 8°20'07 end of house 12 retrograde

Imum Coeli Gemini 16°45'17

8th House Libra 18°59'53

Medium Coeli Sagittarius 16°45'17

posted June 07, 2008 12:42 AM         

Sun in the 12th, if any, is supposed to signify a father who was in the background, not a strong influence, or not there. This even makes more sense because the Sun signifies the father and a Sun in the 12th is the "hidden Sun."

posted June 08, 2008 03:30 AM         

Sun in eighth here with a completely different view...

My father was not only ALWAYS a part of my life both physically and emotionally, but also spiritually.

He has been my strongest supporter and strength in life.

Very involved with us kids while growing up, always the first to volunteer time coaching our teams, taking us camping, teaching us to draw, read, write, play games, etc.

He taught us each very strong morals, work ethics, life skills, etc.

and even today is a very wonderful part of our lives.

He and my mother stayed married all through our childhoods and separated only after we were all married and moved off to other states, LOL!

Through thick and thin this man has stood beside me offering support, friendship, advice, and comfort.

He drove three states away to be at my side when my daughter was born prematurely...
He sat beside her incubator and read aloud and talked with her for nearly 2 weeks while doctors assured us she wouldn't live yet another 24 hours... He held faith, he shared love and hope. He held "me" together...

So in light of this I'll certainly say an eight house sun is not a clear indicator of an absent father.

My husband however has had no contact with his father from the get go. He has also had the loss or absence of a stepfather from a very young age.

His Sun and Moon (both Pisces) are in the 12 house conjunct...

posted June 11, 2008 11:31 AM         

I have Sun conjunct retrograde True Black Moon(osculating lunar apogee - h13 at astro.com) with 22 minutes of arc.

Sun-Black Moon conjunction:
Being conjunct to the Sun makes the Black Moon extremely powerful.
Especially (but not only) in a female chart, a major aspect of Black
Moon to the Sun tends to create a 'Lilith character': strong-willed,stubborn, independent mind and lover of freedom, original,non-conformist, rebellious, passionately disliking routines and
enslavement at large. Lilith was the woman who did not need Adam and left him - not a common thing to do in early biblical times - one reason being that she bluntly refused to lie under him during lovemaking.
There is a profound need to go beyond limitations of all kinds.
This, naturally, leads the native to challenge establishment. At times, it will create difficulties; a Lilith character does not hesitate to tell her/his boss what she/he thinks of him, and can't give a damn about consequences once she/he has made up her mind to do something.
The eyes shine, at times defiantly. The personality is sharp, with a marked taste for intensity. This, in Clairvision language,
corresponds to violent astrality - venom in large measure!
There are strong likes and dislikes, and a tendency to know immediately whether one likes someone or not. This may have to do with the profound insights into the
psychological motivations of other people. Being herself/himself so well in touch with her/his shadow, the native has a fine
understanding of other people's psyche. A Lilith character is often subtle, with a great sense of nuances, and an EXTREME sensitivity.
Problems with the father:
With this aspect, it is not rare to find that the native had major problems with the father (especially in the chart of a female).
Either the father was absent, or perceived as absent, or was fought against. There is likely to be some deeply rooted wound in the
psyche, relating to the father, with profound consequences on the whole organisation of the personality.
In symbolical terms this conflict with the father goes far beyond childhood scenarios. It is the father image, in its widest meaning,which is involved here. Think of Lilith, angry at God for making her
subjected to Adam's authority (and patriarchal establishment at large), and lamenting, "How could He [God the Father] do that to me?"
It is the same wound that you are carrying. It was so deep that it never healed.
When experienced on its highest level, a major aspect of Black Moon to the Sun can make the native quite psychic: premonitory dreams,intuition, natural affinity with the hidden mysteries of life, and clairvoyance.

All that stuff is true about me....especially absent father(never knew him) and I fought against my stepfather too. I do have a Lilith-type personality. My mother is a Lilith-type person too,and I was dominated by her,growing up.