posted July 13, 2008 10:03 PM         

To me a soul mate is someone that you share an amazing bond with. Someone that understands you, helps you, supports you, etc. and vice versa.

posted July 13, 2008 10:16 PM         

As I mentioned in another thread already: IF there are strong connections with another person, synastry-wise, this seems to tell about strong interactions indeed. BUT: Not always does that lead to undestoyable love or something. It's not necessarily comfortable or easy. Sometimes a contact to such a person is limited (ends after a while) - and is just there to teach us something, an important lesson.

So - there's no automatism involved - that everything will be divine and lasting forever.

Just recently I felt a great, great love for someone, and we had tons of "karmic" connections in our Synastry, for example: My NN cj. his Vertex, his Venus cj. my Pluto, his ASC cj. my IC (all these exact!). Yes, it WAS a great love. I got hurt like hell! Finally, I ran! ;-) But I learned a lot.

On the other hand: I spent nine years in a peaceful and harmonius and quite beautiful relationship with someone - also a great love, with a much more practical basis, much tenderness and inspiration. And the Synastry was loaded with "rough egdes", Saturn-squares and all ... ;-)

SO: Over time, dealing with astrology for some years, I've completely lost faith in these simple formulas, like "Oh - We've got these four or five remarkable inter-aspects and our Cupids make a trine - gosh, we're soulmates!"

posted July 13, 2008 11:52 PM         

As far as my soul mate theory, I don't think we are pre destined to be with certain people, I think that there are people out there that we would have much better relationships (astrology aside) than others and those are the ones I would label our soul mates.

posted July 14, 2008 12:31 AM         

They don't show if they are going to be together nor how long they will be together.

Free will is the ultimate factor.

posted July 14, 2008 01:25 AM         

i think the whole soulmate thing is over emphasised and that some people spend so much time looking for someone that my not exist or may not come to them and may miss someone really great that they could build something really special with if they gave them the chance.

i think astrology is a guide. but it doesn't determine the experiences people have had and how it has brought them to the present. free will and consciousness do that. and even if two soulmates meet, it is not guaranteed that they will be in a place to make the relationship what it is idealised it should be - or even that a relationship will even get off the ground. it could be the person who smiles at you as the train doors are closing that you never see again but always remember that moment and wonder the significance of. and maybe that's all it's meant to be - instead of that happily ever after.

posted July 14, 2008 03:20 AM         

Change is precipitated by lessons and there are two types if those. Lessons you teach and lessons you learn. There are little lessons and BIG lessons.

Soul mates generally carry the big lessons for us so this beautiful soul mate love comes with a hefty price tag of 'try now pay later'

posted July 14, 2008 09:17 AM         

Yes this might be a very controversial thread - you will surely get many diferent answers,according to each experience or belief.

Personally Deliverance i just can tell you this:

i SOUND like one of those persons who are always "searching" new astrology stuff,specially regarding the famigerous SM aspects or indications.
Itīs true - i have always believed that we have more than 1 SM and that itīs a GIFT from GOD to be able to cross each otherīs road.

But astrology for me only started when i met my current boyfriend.Nobody had to tell me if we were SM or not, and i knew that it wasnt my "ROMANTICISM or IDEALISATION" that made me FEEL he was sth more than just a man tha crossed my Path.

As a Virgo girl,with many issues to solve within,specially regarding intimacy,trusting,believing...it was more than strange for me to realise that I COMPLETELY delivered myself onto him right away - from body and soul - and not only that but also a very strong bond,a familiarity and caring that would take months or even years to occur the way it did.

Some months passed and i started to look into astrology - somehow it started to show me not only my own patterns of behaviour,traumas,fears, but also his.The ones i felt to be his hidden truths.

It was almost instant when i saw that our charts together created its own pattern and it "shows" many of our singularities as a couple.

ALL the research,all the things i analyse are "tools" for me to understand - myself and him - better,and to be aware of energy patterns that might occur (transits for example) that help us someway to deal with the most difficult ones.

posted July 14, 2008 09:52 AM         

I have read Brian L. Weiss' books back in 1998,and that factored in my belief that soulmates go beyond romantic partners.

I believe that soulmates are mainly souls that we have pastlife connections with.

I don't really believe in twin souls nor twin flames myself. I am definitely not waiting for one.

I do believe in soulpartners, souls that I believe that we have pastlive connections with and end up being romantic partners.

People here have varying beliefs about soulmates,and so it's hard to define soulmates. There is no telling what's true and what's false. It's a hard to pinned down concept.

posted July 14, 2008 09:52 AM         

I think Glaucus summed it up beautifully. Do I believe that there are souls we are already connected to BEFORE we're born? Absolutely.

Do I believe that we are destined to cross paths with some of these souls while we're here? No doubt in my mind.

Do these connections show up in astrology? Most of the time, yes.

Do I believe that there is one single textbook astrological formula to determine whether or not someone is your "soul mate," "twin flame," etc.? Absolutely NOT.

Do I need astrology or any other person other than my own experiences to validate my personal connection to another person? NO.

I think that if you meet someone new, and you experience a deep connection with them, you allow time for the relationship to run it's course. I think if you're using astrology or anything else to determine whether or not someone is "the one," then you're putting the cart before the horse. What if the best thing for your own soul/growth is to have that person in your life?

I take my life experiences and come here to learn what aspects/planets/energies might be involved. I do not dismiss a potential life experience because of astrology. See the difference?

In my personal experience, I have found the name asteroids to have uncanny ties in natal charts, synastry, composites, progressed charts, etc. I have also found some of the other asteroids to have incredible significance in the charts I've studied. That's what this forum is all about...research and learning about astrology, and I greatly value those on here who put their heart and soul into researching new and exciting possiblities as well as testing the tried and true.

The most important thing I can tell you is to live your own life, have your own experiences, and form your own beliefs based on that...not on someone else's. Don't miss out on experiences based on astrology or anything else.

Look around you. Your soul mates are the people you love, live with, learn from, etc.

No one person is "God" or has the corner market on soul mates/twin souls/flames/etc. Most of those who are doing research on THEIR soul connections in this forum would tell you the same thing.

8th

posted July 14, 2008 11:46 AM         

to take it even further, 8th, i think EVERYONE is your soulmate! i think we are ALL here to learn from and every moment is sacred and to be honoured for its lessons and opportunities.

i somewhat believe, as in more than i don't, that there is one person out there for you.. your other half. there's this guy who thinks we might be soulmates and i haven't seen him in 6 years. our moons are opposed and we are eachothers' antipode kins (opposite signs, needing the other to balance) in mayan astrology! we also both have a frequency of ++-- on the soulmate code. all of that could be just interesting coincidence, or it could be signs that are pointing a finger for us saying, there's something here to investigate!

posted July 14, 2008 07:54 PM         

I think that when you look at your life from a higher level of consciousness, (the soul level), rather than from the ego level, the concept of soul families, and incarnating into this lifetime with various members of your soul family makes sense. When you look at life from that perspective, it makes sense. We chose a certain lesson to learn in this lifetime. Members of your soul family signed up to play the parts. A soul who was your father or brother in a previous lifetime, signs up to be the wife or lover in this lifetime. But no one said that relationships would be easy. If it was easy, then we would probably never learn the lesson. Someone had to sign up to play the "bad guy", or to provide the painful lesson that you asked them for before you incarnated. It's part of the soul contract you made with them.

The concept of "happily ever after" when you find your soulmate is a myth. Relationships are work! We also have many soulmates... not just the person you are married to. Mother, father, children, close friends, etc. They are all part of the soul family that signed up to play that part to help you. A soulmate is someone who initiates you into your own soul. They help us learn the lesson we came to learn. Sometimes those lessons are painful, because you have to let parts of yourself go that you don't want to let go. So that person is the catalyst to our soul growth, even though the lesson was painful.

posted July 15, 2008 05:50 AM         

seems that your twin soul also inspired you to write as beautiful and insightfull as you did now