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GeminiLover75
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posted June 10, 2008 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiLover75     Edit/Delete Message
My bf and I are having a rough patch, one where I feel like things must change or I am outta here. Since things came to a head for me, he *is* trying but I feel like the problems are so ingrained it will all be such hard work. And that somehow we are both going to have to transform. It's just on three years since we met and the thing is that despite our differences and problems, I know that we both love each other. However I think that this relationship is extremely challenging for both of us. I've been through our synastry and composite chart several times in the past couple of years obviously, so I'm familiar with what they mean. However I feel like at this point I also need to understand the progressions - both our natal progressions, and the progressed composite. I find them hard to understand really, I mean the progressed composite for one thing looks so nice to me - it's a grand water trine with the moon in Scorpio (like me!), moon trining our Venus and sun... Uranus and Pluto in the progressed 7th seems like where some of the trouble is... but... sigh... I would just like to know the bigger picture so I can understand what's going on and how at least I can deal with this better.

Saturn is transiting our composite 7th btw, and Pluto is transiting my natal ASC, so I'm aware of what they mean but I want to know how it's ALL working. I'm sure it's all do with things like different expectations, frustration with each other, etc etc... but yeah I would appreciate some insight.

I can post the charts later if anyone wants, but for now here's our data:

Me: 26 April 1975, 8.30pm, Dunedin, New Zealand
Him: 18 June 1971, 3.30am, Dunedin, New Zealand

Thank you!

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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted June 10, 2008 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Hi GeminiLover75,

I bet you're tired of seeing me pop up to talk about that frickin' Pluto crossing your ASC again, but...

It is a stressful transit, both positively and negatively, Pluto's answer to most things is like lighting tiny scented votive candles with nuclear bombs when a tiny match will do.

I just glanced at your chart quickly and noticed another thing. Your Ascendant/Descendant axis is right at the midpoint of your Venus/Saturn midpoint.

Ascendant = Venus/Saturn - Hiding one's light; withdrawing; fear of not being accepted.

Pluto is not allowing this to be anymore, if that's something that you can relate to, especially in terms of relationships. Pluto also signals power struggles, so you are changing and with that, your relationship changes. It's imposible for you to be in the background with Pluto transiting your ASC. Pluto creates prominence and publicity. The astrological paparazzi has found you.

Transiting Pluto = Venus/Saturn - Unusually strong tensions toward separation; wasting emotions.

I know you want to keep your relationship, but I think your relationship isn't what it was. It's different and perhaps you are both discovering that you might not like the changes. Maybe if you view it as a different animal now, or the difference between a cute little puppy and a 4 year old dog, they are definitely two different things. Four year old dogs are lovely, but when you wanted a puppy, it's not the same thing.

That was a really bad analogy, but unfortunately very realistic when it comes to some people getting puppies and wanting them to stay that way forever. Four year old dogs are great.

Anyway, it's affecting 1st House, 6th House and 11th House issues. Your identity and health (hopefully your health stuff is already in check from the last transit) 6th house work issues, and of course 11th house issues of receiving love, hopes, wishes, dreams and friends.

Yeah, this is big life triggering stuff, the only way through it is to walk through it.

While trying to leave you with some hope, I checked to see what Jupiter is doing, it's not really touching any of your planets right now, but at least it's in your 2nd house of finances, so hopefully you're doing alright financially, but I'm sure it's blowing up issues of self-worth in a big way. Let's hope you're feeling positive about yourself because of it.

Anyway, you're in my thoughts.

Geocosmic Valentine

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Aphrodite
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posted June 10, 2008 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Geocosmic Valentine,

That was very nice of you to take time out of your schedule to do a personal reading. I don't post reading requests much, but it is very interesting to read your analyses and learn new things.

Best Regards,

Aphrodite

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GeminiLover75
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posted June 11, 2008 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiLover75     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Geocosmic,

Thanks so much for the insight! So it looks like Pluto is the thing here... it's so weird because I felt good when Pluto hit my ASC... but I think it's retrograding now so maybe that's something to do with it.

Wow at the Saturn Venus midpoint... I'd never looked at that before. That particular dynamic is something I've never been consciously aware of, but since you pointed it out maybe I should think about that. Astrology never really appears to be wrong - so I will take some time to consider how that particular energy manifests for me. I consider myself to be quite confident, especially with Pluto squaring my ASC/DSC - but now should I be looking at the fact that Pluto may be squaring the Saturn Venus midpoint? Withdrawing and fear of not being accepted aren't things I'd really considered to be a problem for me - BUT I must say that when confronted in a way that I perceive to be an attack on my personality or my likes/dislikes, I have been known to really react to that and stand my ground on purpose, out of principle really. And I feel good when I am fully accepted and praised and what have you - my Leo MC makes certain of that. lol. So I think it's more that I feel disappointed when I don't have complete admiration, as overly egotistic as that sounds. But it shouldn't be about what others think, it should be about what I think and who cares about everyone else...

And yes to the astrological paparazzi - that is happening. I just found out on Friday that I am known publicly/am a subject of interest - which I find really odd, considering that I mind my own business. People are wanting to know things about me, etc, and I'm now acutely aware of my public image and things like that. It's just so weird. So I guess I can put it down to the Pluto.

Yes I do want to keep the relationship, and he does too. BUT it's at the point where he'll need to accept my growth as a person instead of acting in a way that I feel is restricting that growth. A major, MAJOR example was six weeks ago now and I felt that he really violated my right to do what I wanted - and it seems to have been since then that things went really bad. It took me a long while to forgive him for disrespecting my wishes, and maybe he's picked up on that and gone into a funk because of it.

My health is getting better, but I feel that it actually relates to emotional/stress issues - namely from work and relationshps. When the stress goes, my health is better - which goes without saying really. It's obvious.

As for the issues of self-worth. That's interesting because I do feel positive about myself, BUT at some level I'm being upset at not being valued by others in the same way that I value myself. Like I mentioned about the astrological paparazzi (lol), yes I'm getting a lot of attention and it's not BAD - but within that I also feel that I'm being judged on appearances and people are missing the truth about me as a person. Interestingly, I've had the opportunity to correct it three times recently - ie to show my depth when people have misjudged me as being just a pretty face.

So overall, interesting stuff Geocosmic. Thank you so much. The only way through it is to walk through it like you said - it's hard not to be upset when a relationship starts to feel bad, but I am GOING to have to put myself first. That's so important. I think he will appreciate it when he does learn to let go and let me be who I am becoming - so if he can do that then good... my biggest mistake has probably been worrying too much about what he will say/think/do, when in fact I need to be more present within myself??? But what I know in my head, does not always manifest into action...

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GeminiLover75
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posted June 11, 2008 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiLover75     Edit/Delete Message
Is anyone able to give me some insight as to what's going on for him right now? I see a lot of Pluto and 12th house moon issues for him which I think he's never resolved, throughout many relationships. But transit-wise is there anything positive here?

btw: this is interesting - Pluto just finished its transit of his 8th house. I'm not sure what else this means, BUT he is just finishing up some in-depth research into his family history, secrets and all!

His Solar Return is next week, and I just looked at the chart. It puts the Pars Fortunae and Vertex in his 7th house (conjunct within 5 degrees), with Pluto in 9th opposing his sun and Venus... ????

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