posted June 12, 2008 06:28 PM         

Long story short....he and I had been commuincating all along, just hadn't seen him in months. One day he wanted to work on his website again and it was supposed to snow and I said i wasn't coming. he told me i could stay over. Well, it didn't snow, so I didn't stay over. He emails me the next day becuase I left when we were done with the website and says - I guess u didn't stay over cuz it didn't snow. My response was yes. I guess he was assuming we would pick up where we left off, so I said to him....I haven't seen you in months, I just assumed there was someone else or you weren't interested anymore. He said that wasn't true and he talks to me more than any other. So I said fine, if you want to go down this road again we need to go slower.he said that was ok.
Fast forward - we had been getting together almost every week to work on his website or have lunch or dinner. (no intimacy)So I had to go to Vermont for work and he has a house there.So we make plans to go up and I sense something but can't put my finger on it. We drive all the way up there and start drinking and he falls asleep so I kiss him to wake him up and he tells me he's seeing someone new.It's only been about 10 days.

needless to say drama ensues.We go home the following night but he can't understand why i want to leave.He wanted to stay until sunday. This girl calls while we're just sitting out in the sun and he tells her he doesn't know when we're coming home - she hangs up on him...I would have done the same thing.

I was having some minor surgery that I thought was not going to turn out well, so I send him this really heart felt email ( cuz I think I may die soon) and he writes me back and tells me I made him cry. meanwhile all he keeps saying is that we can be freinds and he doesn't want to lose me etc.
It takes him 3 weeks to return some of my stuff. he kept stalling thinking I would see him.

I keep telling him I feel like this is all about his website. He was paying me but...

So a few days of drama ensues and finally I just stop answering his calls and emails but they keep coming.

Any way - now I hear from him about once a week. Still trying to get me to see him or talk to him or finish his site, wanting to start a business together.
I highly doubt his new gf would appreciate us starting a business together.

so anyway - someone on here was nice enuff to do charts for me and him and for him and his new gf

apparently we have much better chemistry and connection and she says he will never be out of my life. Here I am for the last 3 weeks trying to figure out how to get him out but he is just so persistant. I went so far as to say i have moved and hour and a half away and may be transferring across the country in the fall - he's still not giving up.

So this person who was so nice to me to do the charts says I should finish the website.
She says it will keep us connected and make out bond stronger.

I have to say - I've never felt such a deep connection to someone before him. He has brought out things in me I thought I buried long ago. I feel a very heavy connection or maybe even a karmic one.

So I guess my question is- if I finish the website , will my karma be completed with this person and I can move on with my life, or should I just shut him out completely?

Any thoughts are appreciated.
I am the leo he is pisces

posted June 13, 2008 04:09 AM         

There is powerful synastry on here with a Grand Trine and a Grand Cross. But there is something else that my radar has locked into, which is the Mercury Opposition Mercury, forced into a T-Square with your Neptune at the apex. No wonder you feel confused, here we have complete communication breakdown.

Ironically it is your Mercury that pulls his Moon Trine Mars into a Grand Trine. You must be doing good work together ~ that Mercury is in your 6th.

The Grand Cross comes about because your Venus is forcing his T-Square into it. It's doing a lot of work there in opposition to his Moon (at the apex of his T-Square intersecting Venus Opposite Pluto). No wonder you feel drawn to him and did you check out the Inconjunct between his North Node and your Sun?

Saturn isn't doing anything very helpful here being in Opposition with Jupiter, a neat if painful reflection of the poor sense of timing hanging over this story. He's got it natally, so have I, it stinks.

Both of you have the Moon ruling the 5th, and your Moons are in Trine. Emotionally you are in tune, if you can just get over the communication hurdle.

posted June 13, 2008 05:42 AM         

LOL... no offense to anyone but this did make my aries stellium laugh

I used to sit and listen to my ex husband say to me "this exciting thing happened to me today... blah blah blah" and by the end of it l would have fallen asleep from reaching the finishing line 1/2 hour before him , then spending the 1/2 hours making up various alternative scenario's in my head whilst he munched his way through his plate of mashed potato 'story' ...

posted June 13, 2008 09:26 AM         

You were both meant to learn from each other over a certain period of time and one of the things you learned is that waiting for 3 years for someone is TOO LONG. I don't mean to yell, but you now know that it's exhausting and you deserve to be with someone who listens to you and understands you.

I want to also know if this is an interracial relationship. You mention that he began dating someone else while you both decided to take it slow. Why did he do that? That sounds like it was unbearably painful.

Was he provocative with you? Always drawing you in when he sensed you were going away?

You synastry has a classic "Unrequited Love" aspect. Venus square Pluto. You feel the person there, you know you'd be right for each other, but you are always like ships that pass in the night.

The lesson is to let go and realize that unless he is begging for you, unless he is banging your door down to love you, especially at this point, then he's not going to do anything about it. He's not going to take any positive actions toward you. Just working with you is enough for him, but he doesn't even deserve that. Working for him is not the kind of relationship that you want, it's not enough for you and you shouldn't settle.

Be prepared that should you decide to really walk away from him, he will do everything to find ways to pull you in again, I guarantee it, but you have to be strong because you won't be able to have hiim the way you want him.

Am I right that you are exhausted by this? It shouldn't feel like this.

Good luck to you, I hope that as you look in a different direction you find someone who jumps through fire to get to you.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted June 13, 2008 09:57 AM         

No, not an interracial relationship and no if I pulled away he would let me go sometimes giving me space - I'm a person that needs space.

I guess the main thing he said to me was : I didn't think you felt that way anymore about me, I thought you changed your mind. I guess he was right in his thinking because I wouldn't even kiss him.

He is beating down my email box, not my door because I won't tell him where I am.
Unfortunately I can't get past this if he doesn't stop contacting me.

He and I have a history of horrible communication - some mine some his- we almost didn't get past our first date because we both thought the other wasn't interested.

I had known him a long time ago - he used to date my friends coworker. When he found me online and wanted to meet up for a date I told him I wasn't the same thin person he remembered. He said that was ok....and it was. When I returned hom that night, i sent him an email saying " can I say i told you so now?"

He said - I was going to ask you out again but I thought you weren't interested.

posted June 14, 2008 09:34 PM         

It's that damn Leo/Piscean thing again!!!

One thing I have found is Pisceans seem to get under my skin (in a nice way) and then behave in a way that totally confuses me.

Then I spend years trying to figure out - hence, visiting Lindaland to search for answers!!

It's almost like they send a line with bait on it and tug the line so you can never have a bite!! And Lions like to bite

It may sound general, but the Pisceans that have all effected me have all been in a five year age range of each other. I wish I had all their details to check out synastry for all.

soconfused.... just think of the name you chose for this thread - That's exactly how I feel about my Piscean interactions - and the first interaction I had was 19 years ago AND I'm still wondering!!!!!

Good luck!! Keep us posted!!

posted June 15, 2008 09:56 AM         

Like I said - it's like nothing I've ever felt before. I am so confused by all my relationships with men. There must be something in my chart that I am a transitional person of sorts because I always get left for someone else just when I think things are going good.

He's emailed me several times this week. Keeps asking how I'm doing and other things about his site, has offered to pay me more money to finish it. I don't answer the personal questions he asks. I'm just trying to remain neutral since he already knows how I feel.

posted June 15, 2008 03:46 PM         

the only lesson I have ever learned from my relationships(and especially this one) is to NEVER believe what a man says. i try to give each of them the benefit of the doubt when it starts but it always ends the same. They lie,cheat,or both and then find someone else before things are over between us.

Can you point out what it is in my chart that draws these people into my life?

I am an honest,loyal person- I don't manipulate people for my own benefit. I don't play games. I am not a jealous person and I try to give people their space and freedom in a relationship. I don't like to keep them locked up in a box so that they only spend time with me. I just don't understand why it always ends this way for me.

Maybe I should read the book why men love b*tches.

posted June 15, 2008 04:14 PM         

your chart shows these two square natal aspects in fairly close orb ..

uranus in 7th house square to venus in 4th house .. ( 1 deg. )
pluto in 7th house square to the mc/ic axis .. .. ( 2 deg. )

posted June 15, 2008 04:23 PM         

pluto in the 7th means i should be transformed for the better right?

With Pluto in the Seventh House opportunities for transforming or regenerating yourself may come through marriage, close personal relationships or business partnerships. General well-being is dependant on intimate and fulfilling relationships. Success here depends on how responsible you are in your dealings with partners, psychological compatibility, co-operation and the ability to understanding the emotional needs of others.

I'm tolf I;m really a good listener and understanding person, so I'm still confused, can u elaborate?

posted June 19, 2008 02:20 PM         

i was thinking in terms of those aspects ..
outer planet in 7th house aspect to ..
1 .. the MC/IC .. .. a sensitive point in the natal chart ..
2 .. venus in the 4th house ..

how it bears on your current situation i don't know off-hand ..
but all in all those two aspects will have something to do with your relationships ..

this is about Venus-Uranus aspects http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/018132.html

by transit .. you have transiting Uranus in Pisces .. *squaring your MC/IC axis* ..
and conjoining the node as shown on your chart ..
as t.Uranus is at 22 degrees .. so it's 1 degree past ..
but .. it didn't start yesterday .. and it will soon go retrograde and pass over the same point ..
then go direct again and repeat the transit ..

these are direct retro dates ..
~ http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006052.html ~
( i.e. note the degrees of transiting uranus .. in comparison with the degrees of your mc/ic axis )
some notes about interpreting transists ..
the notes are from a book about uranus/neptune/pluto transits ..
~ http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/017112.html ~
however the basics could be applied to any transit i would think ..
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here are some notes about the 4th house ..
i.e. where your natal venus is ..
( i could not find the original thread .. so posting it here )

~ 4th House ~ .. Liz Greene ..
( excerpt from 'saturn in fourth house' )
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~ The fourth house, corresponding to Cancer and the Moon, is the domain of childhood, origin, family, and roots. As the base of the astrological chart it represents the base of the individual himself both literally, in terms of the home he has come out of, and symbolically in terms of his inner sense of security and safety. This house describes the emotions and atmosphere which surround him before he is old enough to make a conscious and rational choice about whether he accepts them or not. This house may be associated with the Jungian idea of the personal unconscious and with areas of conditioned instinctual reactions imposed by the early environment.

~ Because of this association with influences that occur prior to the development of the discriminating mind, any planet placed here is highly suspect because it points to something in the psyche which must be first discovered and brought up to the surface before it can be dealt with constructively. The influence of this house lies like a great moving subterranean river beneath the surface of the later personality which is developed in accord with the Sun and Ascendant; and this river may be powerful enough to dominate the behaviour without being seen. It is a wholly personal house and does not seem to have much to do with the larger area of collective unconscious streams which affect the group emotional life. Because it is so personal, it is that much more difficult to approach with a clear and unbiased eye.

~ The fourth house is generally considered to be the indicator of the father and his relationship with the individual. This is of course subject to much argument, and the only clear statement which has so far come out of the confusion is that the fourth-tenth house axis refers to both parents. In some ways it is immaterial which house goes with which parent as problems with one automatically create compensatory problems with the other; however, I am inclined by experience to assign this house to the father,as it is he who establishes the backbone of the family, gives it his name, and determines by his presence or absence the security or instability of the child's early life. It is rare that a child loses his mother except by death; but when a marriage fails, or there is no marriage in the first place, it is generally the father who leaves and whose support is withdrawn. The background of a difficult or broken home in childhood is usually coincident with afflicted planets in the fourth house or the fourth sign.