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venus in gemini
Knowflake

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posted June 26, 2008 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Hello All!
What points to a psychic connection in our charts? I have been involved with this man for two years, but have never noticed this happening before. On May 31st, I told him that I was tired of waiting for it to turn into a relationship, and that I was done. That I wanted a relationship, and he didn't, so I guess he won. But that he lost me. That I didn't understand why something so good doesn't progress naturally into something real. (Well, there is a lot of karma from our past lifelines involved, but I am going to put that in a separate thread.) So I haven't spoken to him since that weekend. But now I notice that when I talk to him in my mind, or ask him a question, he started answering me. I swear we are having conversations in my head about his fear of commitment, and his issues, etc. And I have to be honest...I wouldn't dare tell anyone else but the Knowflakes community. I don't think anyone else will understand.

I used the Psyche and Telephus asteroids, and Telephus is conjunct Neptune in the synastry. Would that be it? In the draco, Telephus is conjunct the MC, and Psyche is on the Descendant. I included the composite, but Telephus is conjunct Saturn, so I don't think that is it. But I wonder why it just now started? The other thought I had sort of makes me cringe. That he has been hearing me all this time, but not answering. I really don't want to believe that, because I have said a lot of things to him in the privacy of my head (when I was angry), that I wouldn't repeat out loud...!!

Thanks for taking the time to look!


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writesomething
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posted June 26, 2008 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
where are people getting thes weird asteroid names and why do they think they mean anything? im sorry they dont, IMO.


look for neptune and pluto.

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amowls
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posted June 27, 2008 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
writesomething: why would the planets have meaning but not asteroids?

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amowls
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posted June 27, 2008 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
wait how did you do a synastry chart with his draconic? wheres the option for that on astro, i've been dying looking for it!!

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venus in gemini
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posted June 27, 2008 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Under Methods/Type of chart, choose Synastry 2.

Under Options/Zodiac, choose Draconic.

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posted June 27, 2008 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fluke     Edit/Delete Message
In the chart selection screen you can choose what type of zodiac you want to use for the charts, you'll get a "warning" though, if you choose anything else than the usual tropical zodiac.
If you do this you can draw a synastry chart as usual, the same way you'd do a normal synastry chart, and it will be a draco-draco synastry chart.
Still no easy way to do synastry between draco and natal though, apart from your own chart

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Dooza
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posted June 27, 2008 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dooza     Edit/Delete Message

Will need to sleep on this one - have had some interesting 'psychic' moments, but with a couple of Pisceans - will look at own charts tomorrow - after a big sleep!

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Kick It
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posted June 27, 2008 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
Venus in Gemini, you are having a conversation with him in your head, and in your head he is having conversations back with you. You think this might be some kind of telepathy. Is this correct?

If the details are accurate, looking at 3rd rulers...Yours is Uranus and his is Mercury. Both appear to be in sextile.

3rd communication, 8th for some kind of psychic activity. Not sure about telepathy.

I have conversations with people too, but I know they are not there. It must be good to know that you're not the only nutty one around here

I dont get the asteroids either. If you use one, you use them all. Who wants to come up with a seperate interpretation for every asteroid?
The planets have meaning. Why them and not asteroids? No idea.

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venus in gemini
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posted June 27, 2008 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Kick It,
Yes, it feels like some type of telepathy. At first, I thought I was just being delusional...you know? Because I am heartbroken over having to break it off with him. And maybe I just want to keep talking to him. But I can ask questions, and he answers. One day last week, I asked him a specific question. I said, "Where are you?" And he said, "I'm in ____________"(name of my town)
We don't live in the same town anymore, he lives about an hour and 1/2 away. But his son lives here. So in an effort to prove that these conversations weren't real, I decided to drive past his son's house. And surprise... his truck was parked in front of his son's house. So that sort of validates these conversations for me... as being real.


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Mama Mia
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posted June 27, 2008 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message
Its real believe me..I have this with my guy..I know exactly what your talking about..At first I was like am I losing my mind here..But as time has gone on it has proven to me to be real..We can be laying right next to each other and pick each others thoughts up and there is a weird feeling in the body that comes with this..Also you might want to check your composite sign that your Sun and moon falls in..Ours falls in Pisces and this is what it says and its true..


Sun <http://astrology3d.com/planets.html> in Pisces <http://astrology3d.com/Signs.html>
The two of you are extremely sensitive to each other's moods and thoughts. In fact, psychic awareness of each other may be your primary form of communication. You want to be of service to each other. A gentle, spiritual relationship.

Moon <http://astrology3d.com/planets.html> in Pisces <http://astrology3d.com/Signs.html>
This is a very romantic, possibly even purely spiritual relationship. You are very sensitive to each other's moods, always knowing how your partner feels. At times, it is difficult to know which emotion belongs to whom. A psychic connection

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posted June 27, 2008 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine9     Edit/Delete Message
Venus in Gem,

OH MY.. my story is very similar to yours - I had a talk with my guy on May 31st too (that was when rx Mercury was crazying up the mix) about commitment issues in the relationship, and since then we've been on a break as well. AND, I have a telepathic link of sorts with my guy too.

In our case, my Psyche conjuncts his Moon (I have an intuitive understanding of his emotions) and his Psyche conjuncts my Sun (he intuitively understands & 'gets' me), which is interesting because his Mercury squares my Mercury - so when we talk, we tend to misunderstand each other at times, but the psychic link helps us out so that we have the intuitive understanding of what the other meant. He has actually told me that at times he would rather go by what he senses I'm saying, rather than what I'm actually saying (if that makes any sense).

And, ever since that day we started the 'break', I've had vivid visions of him and me, and what has felt like us communicating telepathically, but I've wondered at times if I was plain nuts!! So, you're totally not alone..

I think your Psyche-Neptune link must feel very similar, but all the more dreamy, due to Neptune's nature. I will take a closer look at your charts later this evening when I get home from work.

I just wanted to say, though, hang in there! Do you sense that you're getting to work out your issues with each other through this link? Does your psychic link transmit actual words or feelings?


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Mama Mia
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posted June 27, 2008 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message
"Does your psychic link transmit actual words or feelings?"

Now thats a good thought there Sunshine9 I had not even thought about that..

I get both but mainly feelings..

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venus in gemini
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posted June 27, 2008 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Mama Mia & Sunshine9,
Thank you for your messages! At least I'm not crazy, and I don't feel so alone.

I have always sort of just "felt" him, you know? Intuitively. In fact, that is what has kept me holding on to this for so long, because it's just so good when we are together. I know how he feels about me, although he has never fully expressed it in words. It's easy, almost effortless, very compatible, and the chemistry is amazing. But he has always kept it casual and part time. Doesn't say anything that will clue me in to exactly how he feels. It's more of how I feel when I am with him, and how we feel when we are together. It's just this quiet sense of peace and belonging, like we don't even have to talk. But he is a Cancer man, and I have experienced pretty much what everyone else has....it's wonderful when we are together, but when I get too close, or try to talk to him about seeing him more, etc., he backs up. I have tried to give him the time he needs, but finally at the two year mark told him that I was tired, and I couldn't do this anymore. And he just said he isn't ready to make a commitment.

This is the first time I have ever been able to "talk" to him while he is gone. I just wonder if he has always been able to hear me, but just never answered me. If that is the case, then he has gotten an earful over the past two years! We have Moon Square Saturn, Mercury Square Saturn and Sun Trine Saturn in the synastry. He is the Saturn, and has controlled all of it the past two years. I am also dealing with his Capricorn Moon, so he keeps his emotions in check. Oh, and then there is the Saturn in Scorpio in the Fifth House. Cautious and careful as far as romance goes. But the Sun conjunct Venus, Venus conjunct Venus, and Venus Sextile Pluto is wonderful! I also think there is a Sun Trine Moon and Moon Trine Venus in the composite chart.

There are also past life issues. I had an energy session with a woman who brought through our higher selves, and all the over souls from our previous lifetimes. I basically betrayed him in every one of our lifetimes together. I owe him all the karma. She said he is afraid I am going to hurt him again.

I am trying to pick myself up and get to a better place where I'm not in so much pain. But I am heartbroken. It really helps to talk to everyone here and realize that a lot of us are going through the same thing.

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posted June 28, 2008 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dooza     Edit/Delete Message
okay - this is what jumped out for me, for the 'connection' I thought I had with a couple of Pisceans.

Piscean A: couldn't really see anything astrologically, even though I swear I heard their voice in my head one day, when they were sitting right next to me (giving me a compliment ) I would alos know when it was them on the phone and I knew if I was about to see them drive by in the car!!

Piscean B: has Psyche and Telephus conjunct my Neptune (the same as you and your friend). We also have both our Neptunes in my 8th house. I swear I can 'feel' their presence at times. And this may sound weird, but you prompted me to 'ask' them a question today - who knows if the excitement I felt was just me, or a 'connection' - it felt nice anyway

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posted July 01, 2008 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diandra23     Edit/Delete Message
are your birht times correct?

It´s so interesting that in draco you have that tight AC/DC axix conjunct each other!

for instance,some say that personal planets falling in each others 12th house means telepathic and pshisic link with the 2 persons involved ( me and bf have sun/venus..definatelly fit!)

Personally i would just look at asteroids psyche,telephus,alma,Absolus ( intuition) - IQ have researched on those ones i think.

I do believe they play a role on the persons evolved enough to feel the effect of asteroids.

i would put emphasis on the sun/psyche conj;telephus/NN conj;DRacos Psych/DC conj;

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Lara
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posted July 01, 2008 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
hi!

I have this with my man. We have these aspects.

His 3rd H ruler is semi sextile my 3rd H ruler (0)
his pluto sextile my neptune (0)
my pluto conjunct his uranus (0)

hope that helps!

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posted July 01, 2008 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I wouldn't knock asteroids. They have meaning just like the planets,Sun,Moon,and stars. After all,they are heavenly bodies.


The Significance of Asteroids

by Jacob Schwartz

Ida and Her Moon. NASA/JPL

The thousands of named asteroids signals a revolution that will bring astrologers into the new millennium of enlightenment. The discovery of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto symbolized the transition from the Medieval Ages into the Industrial and Technological eras which broke down time/space barriers. Today's revolution, says Demetra George in her foreword to Jacob Schwartz's Asteroid Name Encyclopedia, resonating to the vibrations of the Age of Aquarius, is that of Information.

Information of all kinds is racing along electronic superhighways at lightning speed, crashing through the corporate frontier, breaking down barriers that segment multi-national empires such as computer and telephone companies, cable systems, film studios, and media conglomerates. Our challenge is how to adapt so we receive, understand, integrate and act upon this vast explosion of information without being overwhelmed and incapacitated. The consideration of the asteroids, all 5000 of them with names so far, can lead astrologers to developing a language that will address, in very specific ways, how this information explosion is impacting and forever changing the evolving psyche of humanity.

Astrology wasn't always so complicated. Our professional ancestors learned their craft in a world described by only seven planets. Saturn, the farthest planet then seen with the naked eye symbolize the limits of what we could perceive. But then William and Caroline Herschel discovered Uranus in 1781 and the ancient cosmology based upon seven sacred planets, seven chakras, seven musical notes, the seven days of the week, etc. was shattered. From a metaphysical perspective a planet represents an aspect of consciousness. The naming of a new planet reflects a simultaneous activation of a consciousness in the human psyche.

Uranus spoke to an awareness that each person had a right to be free and equal. This awareness led people all over the world to revolt against oppressors to obtain their freedom. Similar social changes occurred with the discoveries of Neptune and Pluto. Neptune was discovered when anesthetics, nursing, homeopathy and medical healing became more systematic. Pluto correlated to the economic depression, a world war, and the discovery of nuclear energy promising to transform humanity in a process of alchemical evolution. The timing and naming of newly discovered planets is synchronistic with new eras in history, and new responses by individuals who change society and are changed by it. The astrological language, with the naming of asteroids two centuries ago, grew to recognize and explain the parts of personality that were new to human drama. They carried the awareness that was necessary for people to enter and participate in a new era.

New Year's Eve of 1800 marked the sighting of Ceres, the first asteroid. Soon after, more asteroids were found and named after other goddesses of ancient mythology: Pallas, Vesta and Juno. By the end of the 19th century, more than 400 asteroids were known. And a century later, over 14,000 asteroid orbits have been computed and over 5000 have been named not only after mythological gods and goddesses like Bacchus, Apollo, Hera, Artemis but also places like California and Ohio, Toronto and Tucson, historical persons like Kleopatra and Copernicus, Bach and Bernstein, and things like Beer and Bus, Universitas and United Nations, and people names like Diana and Donna, Anna and Arthur, James and Johanna. The vast majority of asteroids are orbiting around the Sun between Mars and Jupiter, although a few come close to Venus and Earth, with an impact 65 million years ago of one credited with the extinction of dinosaurs upon the Earth. An asteroid about the size of a city block approached Earth in 1994 within half the distance of the Moon, closer than any other potentially destructive space object. A near collision with another asteroid is expected in the 22nd century. Many scientists now agree that the mysterious 1908 explosion over Tonguska, Siberia, flattening hundreds of square miles of land, resulted from an asteroid exploding just before impact with Earth.

Ephemerides were not available for asteroids until the late 20th century, so studying the implications of asteroids was not possible for almost two centuries after the discovery of Ceres. The vast majority of astrologers did not know they existed, or those who knew about them said they were "cosmic gravel," not real planets, unimportant, insignificant; the ten regular planets were enough. And those who might have considered using four new points like the four largest asteroids Ceres, Juno, Pallas and Vesta, plus the comet Chiron were shocked with the realization that it didn't stop with those, but there were thousands of them. At the very moment skater Nancy Kerrigan was attacked by Shane Stant in her dressing room in Detroit, 6 January 1994, 2:20 p.m., asteroid Tanya was conjunct lord of the underworld Pluto on the descendent, asteroid Harding was on the eastern horizon, and asteroid Shane formed a perfect triangle on the nadir of the chart.

Asteroids point to an evolutionary breakthrough for humanity. If we accept the premise that the naming of new planetary bodies correlates with new centers of consciousness within us, then suddenly there are thousands of new centers of consciousness lighting up in the cosmos and in our minds. If we are on the precipice of a quantum leap of consciousness where a greater proportion of the brain will be utilized, then the awareness of asteroid relevance can stimulate those newly utilized brain cells. Is asteroid symbolism the next step in our evolution? Are the thousands of asteroid names in our language assisting us to communicate the new response we all must develop to cope with the vast changes in technology, communication, and the information age now upon us?

Peter, Paul and Mary first performed as a singing group in the summer of 1961. The asteroids Peter (#1716), Paul (3525) and Mary (#2779) were also together then too, in the theatrical sign of Leo. When Fidel Castro established the first Marxist government in the Americas, the asteroid Karl Marx (#2807) was conjunct the asteroid America (#916). The asteroids Adolphine (#608) and Germania (#241), discovered at the beginning of the 20th century, have almost the same orbit around the Sun and conjunctions are rare, but long; well, they were traveling together both in longitude and declination throughout the twenty-year period when Adolf Hitler was in power in Germany, separating in the summer of 1945, when the Third Reich collapsed!

While there's no asteroid named O J, there is a like sounding asteroid Oja (#5080), and asteroids for each of the characters in the murder trial where O J Simpson (#4788) was prosecuted for murdering Nicole (#1343) Brown (#1643) and Ron (Ronan, #4024) Goldman. When Brown was born, asteroids Nicole and Oja were conjunct at 0 and 6 degrees of Leo opposite the asteroid Oja in O J's chart at 2 degrees of Aquarius, and conjunct Oja at the time of the murder at 8 degrees Aquarius, opposite the Moon at 7 degrees Leo!

Since astronomers have done so well in choosing names for Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, can their unintentional expertise in channeling appropriate names extend to the thousand of asteroids they name? Sometimes the names are chosen seemingly whimsically to honor colleagues, family members, familiar places, ideas, and even cats and dogs and birds as well as historical figures. Currently names are chosen by a board of astronomers meeting regularly at the Smithsonian Astrophysics Department at Harvard University. Astronomers generally do not connect what's in the cosmos with experiences on Earth. Naming asteroids is perhaps the only time an astronomer relates what's up there to what's down here on Earth. Asteroids thus can form a bridge between the astronomical and astrological communities!

Since the names work so well, could it be that the asteroid carries its own name? A name can be reduced to a number, and that number carries the vibration of a specific wave pattern. Our astrological knowledge of aspects and harmonics, which is based on the vibrational patterns of numbers, confirms that certain aspect series resonate with one another, and that planets in resonant aspects interact with each other. These interactive vibrational forces draw energies into connection. Perhaps the physical properties of the asteroid: its name, apparent shape, chemical composition, spectroscope, orbit carries a vibrational frequency, or sound, which the discoverer unconsciously connects with a name.

So few astronomers understand astrology or the archetypal power of names. Is their seeming arbitrary naming the factor in creating the vibration? Or is the vibration already there, waiting to be acknowledged, and so strong that the asteroid itself dictates its name to the astronomer via the circuitry of the unconscious mind that links one to the holographic mysteries of the universe?

Asteroids add real people and real places to our lives and our horoscopes. Connecting them with planets, zodiacal signs and houses, and with each other, produces patterns of relationships describing the persons and places in our life. The asteroids bearing names relevant to your life become your asteroids because the collected names of people and places in your life carry a unique expression of your identity no less meaningful than your birth data.

Because they are so small and so abundant, asteroids can focus upon explicit relationships between people, places and things; they simply identify the name of the who, the name of the place, the name of the what, and when these names connect.

Most of the important whos, wheres, and whats in your life have a body in space with the same name. In the vast majority of instances, the names were decided upon and approved by professional scientists, usually individual astronomers or astrophysicists, or sometimes committees of them. The sounds of names ascribed by these astronomers carry a cycle of meaning relating to events and experiences far beyond the meaning intended by the scientists who named them.

What is a name? A name is a collection of sounds, of letters, of phonemes which gives someone or something an identity. In a mysterious and profound way not fully understood, it appears as though whatever energy motivated the namer to name the asteroid carries an energy through times before the asteroid was discovered, and thereafter. That same energy motivated parents to name their children and motivates humans in establishing relationships or when they change their names. How very common it is for people to establish friendships with several persons sharing the same name. And how common it is to hear people say I never did get along well with people named .... Asteroids can explain why.

The name of the asteroid simply formalizes the energy pattern in a mysterious and profound relevance. The name now has a cycle, it travels through signs and houses, the name now has aspects with planets, nodes and points. Suddenly the horoscope blossoms with people, places and things by name! And these names now have cosmic interactions with each other! Relating the cosmos to specific people, to specific places, is what the wholeness of geocosmic astrology is really about. The difference here is that instead of using a horoscope with only abstract planetary symbols, we now relate the cosmos with the name.

If you would like to explore asteroids further, here are a few resources:

Demetra George and the Asteroid SIG of NCGR; P. O. Box 405, Waldport OR 97394; to subscribe to GAIA, a bulletin of the Asteroid SIG contact Lorraine Welsh, 42 Gayland Road, Needham MA 02192.

Check out the following books: Asteroid Name Encyclopedia by Jacob Schwartz published by Llewellyn, P.O. Box 64383-K609, St. Paul MN 55164; New Insights Into Astrology by Nona Press published by ACS, P.O.Box 34487, San Diego CA 92163; and Dictionary of Minor Planet Names by Lutz Schmadel published by Springer-Verlag; Mechanics of the Future, Asteroids by Martha Lang-Wescott published by Treehouse Mountain, Conway MA 01341; Asteroid Goddesses by Demetra George and Douglas Bloch published by ACS, P. O. Box 34487, San Diego CA 92163; and The Ultimate Asteroid Book by J Lee Lehman, published by Whitford Press, West Chester PA 19380. Also, subscribe to The Mutable Dilemma, published by the Los Angeles Community Church of Religious Science, 838 5th Avenue, Los Angeles CA 90005.

For asteroid services, horoscopes with asteroids containing personal names, connect with Jacob Schwartz by email at BQVT83A@prodigy.com, or at P.O.Box 176, Oreland PA 19075, telephone and fax 215-233-0858, or Llewellyn Worldwide for a horoscope and interpretive report, www.llewellyn.com.

For asteroid software, contact Mark Pottenger, 838 Fifth Avenue, Los Angeles CA 90005, telephone 213-487-1000, fax 213-487-7853; or ARC Software's Dance of the Planets, Loveland CO

Copyright © 1995 Jacob Schwartz BQVT83A@prodigy.com
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BUSH OR GORE:
WHAT THE ASTEROIDS SAY
by Jacob Schwartz August 31, 2000

Will the next President of the United States be decided on November 7, 2000, Election Day? No. That will be decided at a meeting of the electoral college on December 18, 2000. On election day each State chooses as many Electors as it has Senators and Representatives in Congress. The District of Columbia votes for three electors. The total of electors this year equals 100 for the two senators for each state plus 435 electors based on the number of delegates in the House of Representatives, plus D.C.'s three equals 538 with a majority of 270 electoral votes needed to elect the president and vice president.

The fact that less populated states automatically receive two votes for the Electoral College in addition to the more proportional representation based on House seats, shifts the bias to states with few electoral votes: States with five or fewer elector votes, for example, includes Nevada, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Montana, New Mexico, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Delaware.

The electors meet on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December. What a great time to avoid notoriety, when most folks are busy with holiday shopping and party preparation. The electors, by custom, vote for their party nominees. However, this is not required by law. And electors from state delegations can vote for whomever they want. So in a very even election, the pressure to buy electoral votes, either directly or in more subtle and complex ways, is considerable.

The Constitution requires electors to cast a ballot for at least one person who is not an inhabitant of that elector's home state.

Will the next President receive a majority of the popular vote of the voting citizens of the United States? No. That's happened before. In fact, the president and vice president are the only elective federal officials not chosen by direct vote of the people. They are elected by the members of the Electoral College, as provided for in the U. S. Constitution.

Has a President ever served in office without the majority of the popular vote? Yes, the elections of 1876 and 1888 had the candidate with the largest popular vote lose to their opposing candidate, a decision made by the Electoral College. In the 1876 election, candidate Samuel Tilden received a quarter of a million votes more than his rival candidate; but the Electoral College chose Rutherford Hayes, a Republican by one vote. And in 1888, Benjamin Harrison, another Republican, lost the popular election by a hundred thousand votes, but became the president by a 45 vote majority in the Electoral College.

In the election of 1800, the electoral votes between Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr were tied, and the house of representatives decided Jefferson would be our leader. And President Gerald Ford was never on the national ballot.

Will Bush or Gore or Nader or Buchanan be the next President of these United States? The answer will surprise you, because this election shapes up to be one of the most unusual in living memory. The election will be so close that both major party candidates will be able to claim a victory of sorts! Yes, both Bush and Gore!

Based upon this astrologer's review of the horoscopes of both candidates, the asteroids with names similar to theirs, and the planetary patterns on both election day, the day when the Electoral College meets, and inauguration day, January 20, 2001, I conclude that:

1. Albert Gore and Joseph Lieberman will receive a majority of the popular vote, that is a higher percentage of the total votes cast than any other candidate.

2. Will they become our leaders? No.

3. George W Bush and Richard Cheyney will receive a majority of the votes cast by the electoral college on December 18, 2000 and will be sworn in as President and Vice President of the United States on Inauguration Day, January 20, 2001.

4. Candidates Gore and Lieberman, and the Democratic National Committee will contest the constitutionality of the electoral college citing the 14th amendment.

5. The nation will be bitterly divided, and sections of the 12th amendment describing the manner of choosing President and Vice President will be questioned and debated by constitutional scholars and by legal actions in individual states.

6. The Supreme Court will receive intense pressure to overturn the votes of the electoral college in favor of the popular vote.

7. Personalities will dominate the electorate's mind during the campaigns, with Bush, Cheyney and Lieberman all receiving support because of their personal image. Gore, on the other hand, will address issues and policies, winning appeal among those unimpressed with personality appeal but rather dealing with political issues.

If the election is too close to call, can astrology, and asteroids in particular, help identify the winner?

One quality of our republic, is that the offices of president and vice president are the only public officials NOT elected by a majority of the popular vote. And that's where the complications arise.

Astrological support

That this will be a bizarre election is supported by Mercury, our communications planet, being retrograde for three weeks before the election and not turning around into the usual direct motion until election night. Information will appear to stand still, and the impact of what is happening will not sink into the American psyche for many days. Mercury retrograde also means that technical glitches are more likely in setting up polling staff, machines, and placements.

The planet associated with Neptune -- confusion, idealism, and distractions, will be in stressful aspects with mental Mercury on election day, as was the case in 1876 and 1888. In other words, the public is likely to be distracted away from electoral votes in favor of attending to popular votes. We shall all be reminded to read the U S Constitution, especially 12th Amendment of 1803 dealing with the way Presidents and Vice Presidents are actually chosen. Dick Cheyney's hasty retreat from Texas where he was residing when publicly asked to be Texas governor Bush's running mate, to register in Wyoming is explained by this constitutional law. If Cheyney would have remained in Texas where he was living, then Texas electors could not vote for the Republican standard bearers.

ASTEROID PLACEMENTS

Asteroids for this research were selected for their similar sound to candidates' names. The easy choice were asteroids for the Republic candidate: asteroid Busch (#7121) and George (#3854) represent George Bush and Richard (#3972) and Chiny (#1787) represent Richard or Dick, Cheyney. More on the Democratic Party candidates later

On election night and on through Inauguration Day, the asteroid Busch closely ties with asteroid Washingtonia (#886). On election day, asteroids Busch and Washingtonia are only four degrees apart (15 and 19 Sagittarius) and by inauguration day they are only one degree apart (18 and 19 Capricorn). Both asteroids in zodiacal Capricorn are opposite the planet of language and communications, logic and perception, Mercury, in the United States horoscope cast for July 4, 1776. In other words Gore winning the popular vote and losing the presidency will simply not make sense. Asteroid George will be at 8 Cancer (joining the United States opportunity planet Jupiter at 6 Cancer) and by inauguration day, asteroid George at 25 Gemini is just four degrees away from the United States' militant Mars. No way will George give up the prize even though he loses in the popular vote. By joining the United States Mars, I could see the personality side of George W Bush courting the military (represented by Mars) to preserve his victory in the electoral college. Even using the military to squash political challenges to the constitutionality of the election law.

Election positions for Richard Cheyney's asteroids are also close to George Bush's and the asteroid Washingtonia. At election day, Richard is only 3 degrees from Washingtonia (15 and 19 Sagittarius, just one degree from asteroid Busch! A united front in the sky in the righteous sign of Sagittarius. Appeals to religious right, and the support of religious conservatives will pay off.
Strangely, the two asteroids whose names come closest to Joseph Lieberman are Josefa (#649) and Libera (#771) are more scattered but still close to the Republican candidates. Josefa also very close to the asteroid Washingtonia also, and the asteroids Bush, George and Chiny. The election Josefa is at 25 Sagittarius, a stone's throw in longitude to Busch, Richard, Chiny, and Washingtonia also in Sagittarius that day. Lieberman's asteroids have pulled ahead by inauguration day, with Josefa at 6 Aquarius and Libera at 10 Libra. With the United States' lunar node axis. symbolizing our life purpose, at 7 Leo/Aquarius, Joseph Lieberman as a personality will use his congressional influence to make the electoral college more representative of the people. Appeals to state legislatures will attempt to reverse the electoral college giving the presidency to the minority candidates.

Al Gore

Where is Al Gore, and his asteroids? Astrologically, he is more serious about issues of fairness, justice, and a democratically elected government. His planets are not with the personality crowd. An asteroid named Albert was discovered about a century ago, but astronomers lost it and the asteroid Albertina is used here. The use of feminine endings for asteroid names was common throughout the early period of discovery in the 19th and early 20th century. The asteroid whose name is closest to Gore is Goretti (#7801).

At the election and the inauguration, asteroid Albertina is in fair and just Libra, in the leadership tenth sector of the United States' chart, close to disciplined Saturn in the U.S. chart, a symbol of responsible leadership. Even the election day position for Goretti is also in Libra, also joining the United States Saturn. By inauguration day, Goretti moves into early Scorpio, while the asteroid Libera representing Joseph Lieberman is in the sign of Libra with leadership Saturn.

On election day, Al Gore's natal Venus will join the planet Saturn in the Sky, which can on the one hand convey great leadership and responsibility. But Saturn conveys obstacles and challenges. The prize will not come easily. Another symbol of challenge is election day Mars in Libra opposes Al Gore's Sun in Mars-ruled Aries. Gore's three planets (Pluto, Saturn, and Mars) in Leo are placed in the morally righteous ninth house in the United states chart July 4, 1776 chart cast for 4:37 in the afternoon. And his Leo planets are in opposition to the United States' Moon. If Gore wins the popular vote and not the electoral college, his voice will be heard in the land, strongly and determinedly.

Gore's strength on election day is also revealed by asteroid Albertina and the planet of aggressiveness Mars that day being together at very early Libra. He shall win the popular vote, but that's not the real prize.
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HOW ASTEROIDS DESCRIBE THE WAR!
Jacob Schwartz

Over two centuries ago, astronomers began naming the asteroids they discovered. And astrologers have discovered that the names given so whimsically by the astronomers to the asteroids relate to events on earth with the names.

Watching asteroids relate is like watching a drama unfold on stage or on screen. There are characters with different parts to take, differing and changing unions to form. All have their entrances and exits.

Let's first introduce the characters in the drama of the Iraq war. These are characters in the drama but also the names of asteroids.

First there's asteroid Arabia used here to represent the Arab nation and not limited to any single government. There is asteroid America for the people of the United States, and Washingtonia for the seat of government. The asteroid Ankara represents the capital of Turkey, asteroid Britten is the closest we have to any name sounding like Britain plus an asteroid for the capital London, Chaldaea is the name of the ancient region of Iraq, Germania represents Germany, there are asteroids named Israel, Moskva (Russian for Moscow), Russia and an asteroid named United Nations.

To explain Washingtonia, note that in the first 125 years after their discovery, names chosen for asteroids were often "feminized" by adding an a or ia and the end of the name. That practice ended in the 1920s when women astronomers began discovering and naming asteroids.

There are three asteroids assigned names for China. First the asteroid China, spelled as westerners do. Then there's the asteroid named with the previous word for Beijing, the capital of China, Peking. Finally there's the asteroid Chinese word for China, Zhongguo, which includes the culture and peoples of China which at times have included territory now described as Korea, Mongolia, Taiwan and the southeast Asian mainland.

As for the personalities, there's an asteroid Busch to represent the President, and an asteroid Chahine to represent the Vice President, Cheney. There is no asteroid with names similar to Saddam Hussein or Tony Blair.

Zero Hour. At the decision of President Bush to launch air strikes, 19 March 2003 at about 6:30 pm, Washington DC, the asteroid Washington and Chahine were overhead, as if to lead the proceeding. In the patriotic and protective sign of Cancer, Chahine was the most elevated asteroid of the whole lot at that moment. The highest point in the zodiac, called the Mid Heaven, was at 2 degree Cancer. That point represents goals, ambitions, role models, aspirations and above all leadership and direction. Chahine was at 3 degrees and Washingtonia at 11 Cancer. Vice President Cheney in Washington, according to news reports, played a very important role in directing the President of major decisions and timing.

Asteroid Busch was tied up with many vocal and judgmental nations in the ninth house of law, righteousness, and rhetoric with asteroid Busch at 19 Gemini, closest of the lot to leadership Saturn at 22 Gemini.

Asteroids Germania, Paris and China were as clustered together as asteroids as they were clustered politically in openly opposing the war. They traveled ever so slightly behind at 19, 16, and 14 Gemini. And Busch did assume a leadership role among the group by taking the initiative by ordering military strikes against Iraq. Asteroid Busch was the asteroid closest to Saturn, the most elevated planet at the time. Busch was at 19 Gemini, Saturn at 22 Gemini, the Mid heaven at 2 Cancer, only ten degrees away and applying to the midheaven.

While asteroid Busch and the principal security council members were engaged in debate, Cheney commanded the administration of Washington correlated with asteroid Chahine and Washingtonia at the mid heaven. Directly beneath the group in Washington and those engaged in the political debates about the right thing to do, were the planets Mars and Pluto. Warlike Mars was at 9 Capricorn opposite Chahine, Washingtonia and the midheaven in Cancer. God of the underworld and transformation Pluto was at 19 Sagittarius opposite asteroids Busch, Germania, Paris and China, and the planet Saturn.

There is an asteroid named United Nations. And that asteroid was directly beneath Washington DC that evening. At 26 Sagittarius, it was challenged by an opposition to controlling Saturn at 22 Gemini, and between militant Mars and transforming Pluto.

As Iraq was in world consciousness, so the asteroid Chaldaea, the ancient name of Iraq, had just arose in the eastern sky over the seats of leadership in Washington DC. And in the opposite sky the asteroid Russia had just set. Russia was challenging Washington's methods severely. The asteroids told the same story. In between the opposition of Chaldeae and Russia was the stellium of Busch, Germania, Paris, and China.

The UK, UN, and Israel connection. Where harmony exists is between the British citizenry represented by the Asteroid Britain, and Israel, acting in harmony with the United Nations and the seat of government represented by the asteroid London. Britten and Israel were joined together when the attack decision was made, at 26 and 29 Aquarius. The United Nations asteroid was a sextile away to the east at 26 Sagittarius, and London was a sextile away to the west at 25 Aries.

China -- The Primary Challenge. In describing China, we have to confront several images. First there is the China seen and spoken by the rest of the world, and especially the Europeans and Americans. That's represented by the asteroid named China. Then there is the popular China, the China referred to by Chinese, and that's represented by the asteroid given the Chinese name for China, Zhongguo. And finally there is the capital, the seat of government.

If asteroid names are any clue to deciphering this enigma, not uncommon in complex societies. Asteroid Peking was rising at the attack signal in opposition to asteroid America representing the American peoples, and in a stressful square to Washingtonia, the American seat of government which had its own stress with a significant percentage of the American people, the degree varying with each poll. Finally, Washingtonia was opposite Zhongguo, representing the Chinese people. So, that's a grand square, or two planets opposite each other perpendicular another pair of planets opposite each other! In aggressive cardinal signs too! Peking at 7 Libra, Zhongguo at 11 Capricorn, America at 9 Aries, and Washingtonia at 11 Cancer!

The spiritual and righteous quality to this war, on both sides rich with rhetoric about the right thing to do is described more so now than usual by the opposition of the two planets concerned with such things, Jupiter and Neptune. Asteroid Arabia was in a tight opposition to the planet Jupiter and drawing to conjunct asteroid Neptune. Arabia at 5 Aquarius, Jupiter at 8 Leo opposite, and Neptune at 12 Aquarius.

The Turks agreement to allow Coalition Forces to fly over Turkey but not have troops stationed there to serve as an invasion force to Iraq is reflected in the asteroid arrangement. There is no asteroid named Turkey, but there is one named for its capital, Ankara. And at the time of the decision to attack, asteroid Ankara was opposite Chahine and Washingtonia, and in a stressful square angel to America and Peking. The rich northern Iraqi oil fields are the big prize. Ankara was positioned at 4 Capricorn close to Mars as if they were ready to take military action then too.

Written 28 March 2003.
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Diandra,
Thank you for mentioning alma and absolus, I will look at those also. And you had told me once before that personal planets falling into the other's twelfth house could add a psychic link. That is actually the first thing I thought about when I went back and looked at the charts again.

Lara,
I'm not clear on house rulers yet. I'm still a newbie, and trying to teach myself by reading everyone's posts. Kick It said that my third house ruler is Uranus and his is Mercury, and that both appear to be in sextile. 3rd communication, 8th for some kind of psychic activity. I have Uranus in my eighth house, and I am a little bit psychic anyway. But I have never been able to talk to him like this, and hear him talking back to me.

Glaucus,
Thank you for the asteroid articles! I am a confirmed believer in asteroids. I have read through all of IQHunk's old threads about asteroids, and I don't have to be convinced that they are valid.

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Diandra,
In addition to Psyche and Telephus, I looked up the additional asteroids you had mentioned, Alma and Asbolus. I know that Asbolus was a seer, but I can’t seem to find information on Alma. I would be interested to know, since it conjuncts my Chiron. There are lots of connections! Now I wonder if he has always been able to "hear" me talking to him (or about him), and just never responded before. If that's the case, then he has gotten an earful over the past two years!

His natal ASC conjunct my Natal Alma - 20 Can
His natal ASC conjunct my Natal Asbolus - 20 Can/18 Can
His natal Mercury conjunct my draco Telephus - 10 Gem/11 Gem
His natal Pluto conjunct my draco Asbolus - 18 Sag/21 Sag
His natal Anubis conjunct my draco Telephus - 8 Gem/11 Gem
His natal Aura conjunct my natal Psyche - 8 Sco/9 Sco
His draco Jupiter conjunct my draco Asbolus - 19 Sag/21 Sag

His natal Telephus conjunct my natal Neptune - 3 Sco/2 Sco
His natal Telephus conjunct my natal Psyche - 3 Sco/9 Sco
His natal Telephus conjunct my draco Destinn - 25 Aqu
His draco Telephus conjunct my draco MC - 25 Aqu/28 Aqu

His natal Psyche conjuncts my natal Vertex - 19 Can/22 Can
His natal Psyche conjunct my draco Kaali - 19 Can
His natal Psyche conjunct my natal Ala - 19 Can/20 Can
His natal Psyche conjunct my natal Asbolus - 19 Can/18 Can
His draco Psyche conjunct my natal Psyche - 11 Sco/9 Sco
His draco Psyche conjunct my draco DSC - 11 Sco

His natal Asbolus conjunct my natal Asbolus - 14 Can/18 Can
His natal Asbolus conjunct my natal Union - 14 Can/15 Can
His draco Asbolus conjunct my natal Psyche - 6 Sco/9 Sco

His natal Alma conjunct my natal Chiron - 19 Aqu/21 Aqu
His natal Alma conjunct my draco Telephus - 11 Gem

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posted July 02, 2008 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diandra23     Edit/Delete Message

Alma is the same as "Soul" IN my labguage ( portuguese) as foe example Amor is the same as "Love" in my language also!

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Venus,

Going with what Sunshine and MamaMia said...I'm a Pisces and I'm empathetic. I can "feel" energy or feelings, but have learned to detach and tone it down. I used to wonder why I always had feelings that came out of nowhere, or that were not related to what was going on in my life.

As far as Psyche, it is definitely an important, if not the most important, asteroid to consider with the kind of connection/intuition that you're talking about, at least in my experience.

Like I mentioned, I can feel people in general, but I have one instance where I can "talk" to someone inside his head. I can feel him (not as an emotion, but as an energy) when he's in close physical proximity. I spent 2 years digging through astrological possibilities that set him apart from others and there seems to be one factor...Psyche. My Psyche conjuncts his sun by 5 degrees. His Psyche trines my Moon, but the orb is at 9 degrees. (His Psyche is conj my "spirit" at 0 degrees and opposes my Juno 1 degree on a side note. Don't know if that makes for psychic connection because I only have one example.)

There is another friend that I've known for over 20 years that we're very psychically linked. We can also read eachother...but not "talk" in the other's heads on purpose, like in the last example. Its more like we dream the same dreams or know if the other is in trouble, etc. I know what he's going to say and can read his thoughts...but again, can't "talk" to him inside his head. He and I have my Psyche conj his moon at 7 degrees and his Psyche/DC conj my moon at 5 degrees.

A newer friend whom I've just gotten to know over the past year...I always thought he was a nice and interesting person, but one day a dream about him flipped a switch. I told him about the dream and he got kind of nervous around me for a while. I don't think he's used to having his "psychic side" exposed. He has his Psyche conj his AC and that trines my moon at 6 degrees and my Psyche opposes his moon by one degree. I won't know more about our connection til he's more comfortable talking about it...but he won't "leave me alone" in a psychic sense. It's pretty intense, but Pluto is thrown in there to boot. (We also have my Venus conj his North Node.)

With your Psyche/Neptune connection, it makes sense to me that it's based more on feelings than thought. It depends on which planet Psyche is touching.

I'd be interested to see if others who have a very specific psychic connection with someone else have Psyche involved.

8th

PS) Hi Diandra! Quick question...I thought that IQ said that Dracos were to determine past life connection, but couldn't be used to determine/read things in this life?

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posted July 02, 2008 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
EighthMoon,
I am also somewhat psychic/intuitive. I just sort of "know" things, mostly by having a feel or sense about something or someone. I always thought it was my Cancer Sun, and being a water sign. Would that also come from having Uranus in my Eighth House?

But I have never been able to talk to someone like this. And I don't know if he has always been able to hear me, and just never acknowledged it, or if it just started. I'm wondering if it has always been there between us, but something just now triggered it. Did me telling him that we were done trigger something in him, or in me? Like it opened something up between us?

After you mentioned your guy whose Sun conjuncts your Psyche, I went back and looked again at our Sun and Psyche, because they do conjunct. I didn't include them in the first list because they are a little wide.

His natal Psyche conjunct my natal Sun-19 Can/25 Cancer.

Also Neptune,
His natal Telephus conjunct my natal Neptune-3 Sco/2 Sco

I also looked at Spirit,
His natal Spirit conjunct my Psyche-12 Sco/9 Sco
His draco Spirit conjuncts my natal Psyche-11 Sco/9 Sco

I also noticed that in our Composite chart, that Psyche is in the Twelfth House, and Telephus is in the Third House. Could that signify telepathy in our communication? Would Psyche in the Twelfth signify anything? Or does it just mean that it is hidden?

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posted July 02, 2008 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diandra23     Edit/Delete Message
Girls,

i found out that my Spirit conj his Alma 0º!! so sweeeett!And my D.Alma conj his Valentine 0º too...

Hmm 8ThMoon - yup he told that but sometimes i imagine if some past life energies could be somehow hidden and show up at the sirface sometimes,and be felt?

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