posted June 30, 2008 02:02 PM         

as some of you know I promised an actor / singer to do his chart, and I think it`s time I get started.

But I`d be interested in your opinions, what stands out to you in his chart (I don`t know him, so this is like a "blind interpretation", but I promised to give it to him).

What I noticed instantly is:

- Sun-Moon-conjunction in Sagittarius on the MC with Sun and Moon ruling 5th and 6th house
- Sun-Moon-MC-conjunction gets a square by Saturn in Virgo near to the cusp of the 7th house, with Saturn ruling his 12th and 11th house

- ASC is in Pisces with intercepted Aries
- ruler of ASC, Neptune, is in Sagittarius in 9th house
- ancient ruler of ASC, Jupiter, is in Virgo in 6th house conjunct Mars, trine Chiron in Taurus in 1st house and square Mercury on the cusp of 9th house

posted June 30, 2008 04:10 PM         

thank you for your input.

Yes, it seems his work is very important for him and also that his work involves creativity, the arts and publicity.

- Sun and Moon conjunct MC
- chartruler conjuncts Sun and widely conjunct MC
- intercepted chartruler in 6th house
- ruler of 5th house and 6th house conjunct MC
- Mars conjunct Jupiter in 6th house and NN also in 6th house
- ruler of 6th house in 10th house, ruler of 10th house in 6th house

posted June 30, 2008 05:19 PM         

1.) Use the "Web Default Style Chart" instead of this one so you can see the degree numbers of the planets right on the chart. It will make it so much easier for you to read the aspects.

2.) You have listed a bunch of measurements. I assume he doesn't know astrology, so you need to interpret these aspects and measurements into words, phrases and sentences that doesn't use astrological technique jargon. It has to be something he understands.

3.) Don't tell him that the chart suggests that he'd be a good musician, he knows that already.

4.) Practice with us. YOU tell us what the chart is telling you. We'll chime in but it should begin with you.

YOU CAN DO THIS. I've seen you do it very well. Just begin and don't be afraid to be wrong.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted June 30, 2008 05:28 PM         

On this chart Mars is dynamic in Conjunction with expansive Jupiter in the 6th. Technical detail is one of the attributes of the 6th house, and containing planets in its natural sign of Virgo, I think we have someone with significant technical ability to draw upon. His standards are probably high, and he is probably prepared to spend a lot of energy making sure things are right.

posted June 30, 2008 05:28 PM         

I will give it a try, even though it`s really hard for me to leave out the measurements and symbols.

posted June 30, 2008 05:35 PM         

It's alright to leave the symbols and measurements in for yourself, but it's a huge waste of time for him. It would be like you going to the doctor for an examination and the doctor explains everything to you in the medical jargon he learned at medical school. It wouldn't help you at all.

Take all of those measurements you listed and write out the definitions next to them, whether it's your own definitions or from a book, either way is OK for now, you're just practicing with us. I can tell that you are formulating something.

Here is a big hint: Where is transiting Pluto right now? Where has Pluto been over the last 2 years? Pluto has been affecting the 2 most important bodies and points in his chart. That is an awful lot of information about him with just one planet.

I guarantee you, he is not the same person he was 3 years ago. He has just experienced some of the most important growth and development of his ENTIRE LIFE in the last 2 years. But I understand that it's very late for you right now so pick it up tomorrow and give it a try.

When do you need to have this ready for him?

Geocosmic Valentine

posted June 30, 2008 05:56 PM         

thank you for your interpretation.

Geocosmic,

well, I think I will include the measurements for the start here, but taking them out, when writing the chart for him.

On transit Pluto - you tell me, I also had Pluto conjuncting my Sun and Mercury, my DSC-ruler for the last 2 years, and I definitely am not the same person anymore.
(And yes that means his Sun-Moon-MC is conjunct my Sun-Mercury).

I think he might have experienced a total transformation regarding his creative expression, emotional core and of course his career or social standing,too.

Also, transit Uranus is currently conjunct his ASC, so I guess there has been very much change regarding his appearance and the way he approaches others very recently.

Must have been a very exciting, yet straining time for him.

Transit Saturn will be conjunct his Mars-Jupiter-conjunction in some time, so I guess there is more work to be done for him.
Either he will be very busy workwise or he will be slowed down in a way. Maybe he needs to develop a more realistic attitude towards workrelated things, as he tends to be rather enthusiastic and maybe too sponaneious regarding his work and coworkers (the Mars-Jupiter-conjunction in 6th house), but the fact that Mars-Jupiter are in Virgo may also indicate that he`s a perfectionist as Blue Moon suggested.

But how do you combine the fact that he has Mars-Jupiter - conjunction with the placement in Virgo.
Does it contradict each other or does it simply mean that he has this enthusiasm and energy (Mars-Jupiter), but that this is expressed in a Virgoan, more modest, way?

posted June 30, 2008 06:30 PM         

- I can`t help but look at that in comparision with my chart, because i`t seems complimentary, since in my chart the low left side is emphasized.-

Sun conjunct Moon in Sagittarius in 10th house:
- he`s a balanced character, since his inner and outer personality, are in the same sign, but maybe that also makes him being a bit inclined to being subjective

posted June 30, 2008 06:35 PM         

"Virgo" needs to express herself in a very earthy, detailed, refined and perfectionistic way. First think of active Mars with his adrenaline DIGGING UP THE EARTH like a gardener. His rows of flowers and bushes will be perfect aligned. He works hard and fast. As Mars channels through "Virgo" he won't talk much about sex, will he? No. He will be passionately chaste...and a million other interpretations. Will he express war? Will he speak aggressively? Will he choose to speak or write instead? With Jupiter by his side will he ever be able to shut up? Will he ever let anyone else get a word in edgewise?

When "Virgo" channels "Jupiter" she has to be careful not to become overwhelmed by the details. MILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DETAILS...

Together Mars and Jupiter may want to speak about detailed service, philosophy, publishing, libraries, books, debate, law, TEACHING!!!! Jupiter wants you to know that "Joy is in the details".

Remember that Virgo is earthy and cerebral, Mars is active, aggressive, passionate and war-like. Jupiter is a big old helium balloon shaped like Santa Claus and there could be the feeling of "too much" or too many details, but Virgo is where he finds his main reward in life.

As for the rest of what you said:

{{{{{{{{{APPLAUSE!!}}}}}}}}}

You did it. This is what it looks like without the jargon. All you need to do is clean it up a little and refine it:

I think he might have experienced a total transformation regarding his creative expression, emotional core and of course his career or social standing,too.

There has been very much change regarding his appearance and the way he approaches others very recently. Must have been a very exciting, yet straining time for him. Another pattern suggests there is more work to be done for him.

Either he will be very busy workwise or he will be slowed down in a way. Maybe he needs to develop a more realistic attitude towards work related things, as he tends to be rather enthusiastic and maybe too sponaneious regarding his work and coworkers and it may also indicate that he`s a perfectionist. He has this enthusiasm and energy and it may be expressed in an earthy and refined manner.

Now, DarkDreamer, these are all your words with two or 3 words from me and one of Blue Moon's ideas, but the rest is all you. That's how you do it. You're doing fantastic.

One last big secret is that, there really is no way for you to know exactly how these energies express themselves with him unless you are having a two way discussion with him. You can guess at the many ways that he may use these energies, but only he can confirm it. We can't paint him with OUR brush, but he may confirm some of the things that you've presented here. Keep up the good work.

Geocosmic Valentine

When "Virgo"

posted June 30, 2008 06:44 PM         

He's quiet now, he's asleep.

posted June 30, 2008 06:44 PM         

For example: My father is a Sagittarius with Saturn exactly opposite his Sun. You would never know that the man was a Sagittarius. He behaves more like a Capricorn, he's bitter, life is all about work, he has only taken one long distance trip in his life and that was from New York to the Bahamas and he's never gone back again. However, for the last 28 years, he has worked for a company that is an hour and a half away from his home, so it's more of a tightened version of long distance travel on a daily basis, but he is far from international. He doesn't believe in God due to a negative experience in his childhood. So how might Saturn, that powerful outer planet so strongly in touch with his "Lights" affect his Sagittarian expressions?

Maybe Saturn gives him the business know how and the strength to achieve his accomplishments, but does he allow himself to experience the joy of his accomplishments? I suspect that he has accomplished a tremendous amount in the last 2 to 3 years as Pluto also squared his Saturn suggesting TREMENDOUS HARD WORK, yet giving him his hopes, dreams and wishes because Saturn rules his 11th house of receiving hopes, dreams, wishes and the income from the 10th house.

posted June 30, 2008 07:16 PM         

not really, there is still a LOT analysing to do.

Geocosmic Valentine,

thank you for your encouragment, great ideas and wonderful explanation of how different planets are filtered through the signs. That is going to help me a LOT.

I think I have to digest this wealth of information before I can go on.

Oh one more thing before i go to bed.
Yes, I thought about the Saturn in square to his Sun and Moon, too; seems like there is some kind of "brake" built in his enthusiastic way to express himself and his emotions.

I also had the idea that he might project this Saturnine role onto others under certain circumstances.
Saturn rules the 11th house and is in his 7th house; maybe that means that he seeks his partners in his circle of friends, and Saturn in 7 square Sun and Moon could signify that these partners will "slow him down" and try to keep him "on track".
But of course Sun and Moon in the 10th house also have a little bit of a Saturnine flavour, so I guess success IS important for him, and he will work hard to achieve it (Mars-Jupiter in Virgo in 6th house also confirms that).
Probably he will not be as confident as he SEEMS to be with Sun on MC. Saturn might give him a tendency to be his own worst critic, unless he projects that onto his girlfriend.

Blue Moon,
my brother actually has a Sag-Moon conjunct MC (and conjunct Jupiter and Uranus) - and jip I think I understand what you mean.
So many psychologists who say that men talk far less than woman, should meet my brother. He can talk endlessly, mostly about philosophy (life-philosophy), education (he is studying to become a teacher like me) or sport.
Of course, whenever he opens his mouth to tell about ANYTHING, there always comes his philosophy attached to it. lol

posted June 30, 2008 07:22 PM         

can you quickly answer my question on the soul mate thread when you have a minute please?

posted June 30, 2008 11:15 PM         

I think it means that perhaps he has an attitude of entitlement...always wanting others to do things for him. He may not be much of a self-starter and he may need someone else's help to actually get his career off the ground.

That's my two cents. Wait...that was so piddly, it was really only one cent!

Btw, I think you're doing a great job with all the other aspects. Oh, and Geo - you so totally rock. Not just on this post but all over LL.

Good luck!

P.S. Sorry that Deutschland didn't win the Euro Cup. I don't know if you even care, but I thought I'd offer my sympathies anyway! lol