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Topic: Help Interpreting Some Things?
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Taurus83
Knowflake Posts: 39
From: Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Registered: Jul 2008
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posted July 07, 2008 03:59 PM
 
Hi, new here and thought I'd see if anyone can gimme a hand.I'm looking at this Bob Mark's Astrologer site and it seems to have some interesting stuff to read. Problem is I'm kind of having trouble reading my own chart to determine things like if my placements are more in the North or South, West or East, etc. Do I have an empty quality, or element, or house type? I know I'm asking a lot for someone new to these boards but I've already skimmed through like 200 pages of topics in this section looking for things that sort of pertain to me and my situation. It's always good to know nice things about my signs and planets but I'm also interested in what kind of negative traits or flaws are in my charts if someone wouldn't mind helping me with that so I can see what kind of difficulties I might have so I have an idea of what to work on and how to improve myself and become one of those evolved Tauruses I read about. Thanks so much for any help. Feel free to PM me if you have some good sites that I can look into and read up on while trying to make sense of all this stuff. I have no idea how to decipher what degrees, retrogrades/direct, squares/trines/etc all mean.  IP: Logged |
Taurus83
Knowflake Posts: 39
From: Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Registered: Jul 2008
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posted July 07, 2008 04:18 PM
And then this. I know where to look up certain things like the Major Aspects but I'm kind of at a loss as to what the degrees mean.Planetary positions
planet sign degree motion
Sun Taurus 15°37'05 in house 10 direct
Moon Pisces 2°53'51 end of house 7 direct
Mercury Taurus 24°30'40 in house 10 retrograde
Venus Gemini 26°55'15 in house 11 direct
Mars Taurus 22°44'37 in house 10 direct
Jupiter Sagittarius 8°36'54 in house 5 retrograde
Saturn Scorpio 0°00'21 in house 3 retrograde
Uranus Sagittarius 8°00'06 in house 5 retrograde
Neptune Sagittarius 28°54'13 in house 5 retrograde
Pluto Libra 27°38'54 in house 3 retrograde
True Node Gemini 25°53'22 in house 11 retrograde
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house. House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Leo 9°21'15
2nd House Virgo 3°11'34
3rd House Libra 1°08'39
Imum Coeli Scorpio 3°21'47
5th House Sagittarius 7°17'38
6th House Capricorn 9°41'28
Descendant Aquarius 9°21'15
8th House Pisces 3°11'34
9th House Aries 1°08'39
Medium Coeli Taurus 3°21'47
11th House Gemini 7°17'38
12th House Cancer 9°41'28 Major aspects
Sun Conjunction Mars 7°08
Sun Square Ascendant 6°16
Moon Trine Venus 5°59
Moon Square Jupiter 5°43
Moon Trine Saturn 2°53
Moon Square Uranus 5°06
Moon Sextile Neptune 4°00
Moon Trine Pluto 5°15
Mercury Conjunction Mars 1°46
Venus Trine Saturn 3°05
Venus Opposition Neptune 1°59
Venus Trine Pluto 0°44
Jupiter Conjunction Uranus 0°37
Jupiter Trine Ascendant 0°44
Saturn Sextile Neptune 1°06
Saturn Conjunction Pluto 2°21
Uranus Trine Ascendant 1°21
Neptune Sextile Pluto 1°15
Numbers indicate orb (deviation from the exact aspect angle). IP: Logged |
Purple_Chick_71
Knowflake Posts: 372
From: Upstate NY
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted July 07, 2008 04:31 PM
Hi Taurus83! I am FAR from being the most knowledgeable person here, but I think you are making a good start with the Bob Marks site. Another good one for basic info and aspects is cafe astrology:
http://www.cafeastrology.com/index.html I hope I am saying this correctly, but North/Sounth and East/West are kind of the opposite of what you think when you look at the chart. What I mean is: the East is on the left and the South is on the top (I believe). So, for example, you have more planets on the left, so that would indicate you are more of a self-starter, a "doer". You have an equal amount of planets on the top and the bottom, so it might be said that you are not really an introvert or an extrovert, but kind of both. (More planets on the top is more extroverted and more on the bottom is more introverted.) The other major thing, at first glance, is that you have a kite formation. I think Bob Marks has info about that on his site. But what it means is that the energies of those planets are all kind of tied together in your chart. This is just a very humble beginning...there is so much more! But stick around because it's really interesting! lol Good luck and welcome. 
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Taurus83
Knowflake Posts: 39
From: Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Registered: Jul 2008
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posted July 07, 2008 11:20 PM
Thanks for the reply. :PGonna have to look into what the kite formation means. Does anyone else have a site or something I can look at that might go more into detail on how the degrees of each planet effects things? IP: Logged |
Purple_Chick_71
Knowflake Posts: 372
From: Upstate NY
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted July 07, 2008 11:29 PM
I don't think each degree necessarily has a specific meaning. Mostly, the degrees are important because they will determine aspects to other planets. ALTHOUGH, I believe that there are some degrees that have meaning, for instance 0 deg Aries Point, which I don't know a lot about, just that some people think it's important! lol I also think that there is something of a nuance to whether a planet is early, middle or late in the sign (ie. 0-10 deg, 11-20 deg, 21-30 deg). But again, I don't know much about that except that some people believe that the early part has a lot of energy and the late part is more "mature"...I think! Maybe someone else will add to this! IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted July 07, 2008 11:32 PM
Wouldn't call it a kite. The orbs are way too large. I'd say there is a grand trine there though. http://www.therealastrology.com/HTML/FAQS/AspectPatterns.html As for specific degrees with meaning, only Sabian Astrology looks at specific degrees, general astrology doesn't IP: Logged |
Arnicka
Knowflake Posts: 1146
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posted July 08, 2008 12:39 AM
30 degrees for each sign - from 00.00 to 29.59 where 29 would be the # of degrees that the sign is in and 59 would be the minutes [60 min = 1 deg]. Then you take your degrees and match em up against those of other planets/points. For example you have Venus @ 26 deg Gem and NN @ 25 deg Gem - so they form an aspect called a conjunction [close to each other] with an orb of 1 degree. a conjunction can have a wide orb [up to 10 some use] or small [1-3] depending on if you want to narrow things down or not. Some astrologers believe the closer the orb the stronger the aspect is felt - so if you want to just research those that are close in orb I think you'd find that those resonate more closely with you than those that are wider. Then there are terms of separating and applying aspects: You have mercury @ 24 Taurus and Mars @ 22 Taurus -- This is a conjunction with an orb of 2 degrees [24-22 = 2] But since Mercury is the faster moving planetary body and it is farther along in the sign in your chart than mars, it will be a separating aspect. If you want to get into more detail separating aspects don't typically have as much strength as applying aspects. In karmic astrology if the aspect is separating you've dealt with this energy previously and it should seem somewhat "old hat" to you, and if it's applying it is new energy thrust onto you to make sense of. But in astrology there are many variables so for example if Virgo was your rising sign that aspect would be very important regardless of separating or applying since Mercury is the ruler of Virgo and therefore any aspect it would make in the chart would be of prime importance since it would be the chart ruler. Your chart ruler is the sun since it's the ruler of Leo [your rising sign]. Also with the degrees there's another school of thought that the farther a planet is into a sign [say 3 deg Virgo compared to 20 deg Virgo] the more karmic experience you have dealing with that sign in your life. Confused?  IP: Logged |
Taurus83
Knowflake Posts: 39
From: Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Registered: Jul 2008
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posted July 08, 2008 01:51 AM
Orbs are too big? How do you determine that?What element would you say the Grand Trine is so I can look that information up? And yes Arnicka... hopelessly confused lol. Separating and Applying aspects? Can any of you give me a general idea of possible negative characteristics I might have beyond those typical to a Taurus? I can be very lazy... but more slow to get started I like to think. My Sagi friend tells me I'm very stubborn and close-minded lol. I know having Taurus as my Sun and in my Mercury and Mars has a big influence. What about the 3 planets I have Sagi in? Would that possibly make me more compatible with a Sagi Sun person? I know their other planets play a big role too. Is it possible to draw up a somewhat accurate chart to do a Synastry with someone else if I don't know their birthtime? Thanks again for all the help and patience with my endless questions everyone. Answers are good but along with explanations, even greater so I can attempt to understand how you all draw up this information so I may be able to do so on my own to some extent. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted July 08, 2008 02:46 AM
Your grand trine involves NN/venus, moon and pluto/saturn. As for the issue of orbs, that is a highly contraversial topic. I tend to allow 6 degrees myself for a trine to occur, the NN trine moon is definitely debatable. Because the planets occur out of aspect (some air, some water), they grand trine is not as strong as it can be, the effects will be weaker. This is called out of aspect. You will have to read both the air and water readings from the link that I provided you with and somehow combine them for yourself. The grand trine however does occur in the three houses traditionally associated with the air signs so maybe your grand trine may gain some strength from that. Ura and Nep that fall in sag are outer planets, ie slow moving planets that will be common to people of your age, they are called generational planets. They may add some fire to your system and may make you compatible with fire people, however a complete look at your chart and your partner's is necessary to determine how compatible. Likewise for your taurus elements of your chart, you might be compatible with other people but a closer look will be required. However, in general, the personal planets (which is sun, moon, venus, mars, jupiter and sometimes saturn) will have a greater impact upon your being. Applying and separating aspects - applying aspects is when planets approach each other to form and aspect. The separating aspect is the other way around, where they have reached the exact aspect and the planets are in the process of moving apart. Some charts in their grids might have an "a" or "s" next to their aspects to denote this. If these are not mentioned in a chart (for example the one that you loaded up has not displayed this), then you should try and do a chart for the next day of the same time or the day after (some time period) and see how the planets compare on those days and after. Obviously, if the planets are getting closer over time, then its applying and vice-versa for separation. Hope that helps.
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Taurus83
Knowflake Posts: 39
From: Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Registered: Jul 2008
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posted July 08, 2008 03:09 AM
Damn, thanks for the info lol. Such a lot to wrap my head around. Gonna go ahead and try and make that chart a day after my birth like you recommended.Is it possible to get a somewhat accurate Natal chart done for someone if you don't have their birth time? I know they say the Moon Sign varies hour to hour but not sure about the other planets. IP: Logged |
amowls
Knowflake Posts: 866
From: Richmond, VA USA
Registered: Dec 2007
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posted July 08, 2008 03:21 AM
Your Mars is at a critical degree (22 degrees for all fixed signs is a critical degree) and also detriment because it's in Taurus.You also have a 2 grand trines, but they are out of element. Your Venus, Moon and Pluto make a grand trine, but your Moon is in water. Your Venus, Saturn and Moon make another, but this time your Venus is the one out of element. Look up both grand trine in water and grand trine in air. Plus you have a kite with Venus at the head. Your Jupiter is in Sag which mean it's in Dignity. You might want to google all of this. The only things that are affected by birth time is Moon and Rising signs. Your rising sign is pretty important because it sets up the houses in your chart. Without it, you only have half the story. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted July 08, 2008 03:42 AM
Yes sorry, you DO have a kite, I was looking at uranus instead of neptune. Neptune is at the base, venus is at the head. My eyes went a bit wonky there. Same thing applies as what I have said about grand trine. Because they are out of sign, it might be a bit weaker and you will have to look up not only air and water for it but fire as well (neptune is in sag). Because you have a kite and given the degree of neptune, I would now include NN in the kite as well. IP: Logged |
Taurus83
Knowflake Posts: 39
From: Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Registered: Jul 2008
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posted July 08, 2008 04:49 AM
Managed to find the stuff on the Grand Trines for Air, Water, and Fire which seem to be accurate to an extent at varying periods of my life.Also found stuff on the Jupiter in Sagittarius. I can't seem to find anything about what Mars in Taurus being at a critical angle would do though. And couldn't find information on what Venus being at the head of my kite would influence or Neptune at the base influences. I did make the day after chart though so I could sort of compare side by side the the direction in which the planets moved in order to determine if they're Separating or Applying so if you all could take a look on this too. Thanks again. I read a lot or at least thought I did, but all the stuff I have is so basic compared to all the things you all are pointing out to me.
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Taurus83
Knowflake Posts: 39
From: Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Registered: Jul 2008
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posted July 08, 2008 01:08 PM
I did that chart thing for the 2nd day after my birthday as well and it seems like my Mars Conjunct Mercury is an Applying Aspect.It goes from 24/22 to 24/23 to 23/24 so I was born right as they were preparing to pass one another. Am I interpreting the degrees correctly in that it's an applying aspect? IP: Logged |
Arnicka
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posted July 09, 2008 10:50 PM
Oh your Mercury is retrograde [appearing to move backwards in its orbit, not literally] marked as "r" in the list, sometimes marked as Rx. usually they'd both be moving forward. now mercury is coming back to meet mars who is moving forward. So it looks like 1.46 applying since the retrograde apparently. It's still a strong aspect since the orb is so tight [1-3]. And very important so no way should you dismiss it, i didnt mean to say above that the orb was too big if thats what you thought? Conjunctions are very powerful as are oppositions [imo] - they are the main power pts in a chart.IP: Logged |
Taurus83
Knowflake Posts: 39
From: Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Registered: Jul 2008
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posted July 10, 2008 06:06 PM
K, so my Mars Conjunct Mercury is a very strong aspect due to the orb.But what about the whole thing about my kite with Venus at the head? Can you elaborate a bit for me or tell me what that means? I tried Googling that but can't really find anything in particular with that. Does that mean like all my aspects having to do with Venus are strong in a way similar to my Mars Conjunct Mercury aspect? Venus in the Eleventh House 11th hs
Venus in Gemini
Venus Opposition Neptune
Moon Trine Venus
Venus Trine Pluto
Venus Trine Saturn IP: Logged |
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