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writesomething
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posted July 08, 2008 02:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message
So one of my friends speaks 4 languages fluently, and I was trying to figure out his rising sign(because he doesnt know his birthtime).....I guessed gemini....that puts his mercury in the 3rd, and jupiter in the 9th...he also has difficulty fitting in, since hes mixed race wise..he has problems categorizing himself in the world.
I think the chart fits him, any thoughts? especially because of the language part...anyone else know more than 1 language? what do you have in your chart?

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posted July 08, 2008 03:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I do know Latin and English, and I have "looked" into Dutch, French, Ancient Greece and Russian (but can`t really speak those languages).


I have Sagittarius - ASC, with Jupiter in the 3rd house. Mercury is conjunct Sun in my 1st house. My nodal axis is from Gemini (SN) to Sagittarius (NN).
The ruler of my 3rd house (Uranus) conjuncts my 11th house cusp. The ruler of intercepted Pisces in my 3rd house, Neptune, is in Sagittarius in 1st house conjunct Mars, ASC and NN.

I guess that would explain my love for languages in any kind.

I think the Gemini ASC fit someone very well, who speaks more than one languages.

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posted July 08, 2008 04:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Most people here speak more than one language, so we all have significant Mercury-influences? Cool.

To be more serious, it depends more about the culture you grow up in. Americans in general don't seem to be too bothered about the world around them - this includes learning another language, while in many European countries speaking 3-4 languages is the norm. Of course for some people learning languages comes more easily, and they often know more languages than the average person in their culture, I suppose this is where astrology comes in.

I personally have a well-aspected Mercury (which is also the ruler of my chart) and two grand trines in air signs. I suspect that the Mercury-Jupiter trine is particularly good (also part of the grand trine). I see your friend has Mercury trine Saturn and Moon (in Sagittarius) which could give both interest to learn foreign languages and enough patience/discipline (Saturn) to do it. If that is his correct birth time, it could perhaps be work-related as Jupiter is conjunct his Midheaven and both Saturn and Moon fall in his 6th house. What do you think?

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posted July 08, 2008 04:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message
he gave me a time that he could of been born (seems flakey about the times)at but exact time isnt possible i guess. he was born in canada. his mercury doesnt trine saturn(too wide) and moon doesnt trine mercury(only by signs, not degrees)....no the languages arent work related, his parents just knew the languages from their culture, his mom is german, his father Armenian, so he learned both of those languages. he was raised in canada, so thats where the french comes in, and then moved to the states and learned english fluently. he doesnt see the advantage of knowing the languages, he thinks it was pointless teaching him as a kid(which honestly blows my mind, and have argued this to him many times)...

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posted July 08, 2008 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message
Foreign Languages tends to be a Jupiter/Sagittarius/9th house thing. So if a Gemini AC puts his Mercury in the 3rd house, I'd switch it...and put Jupiter in the 3rd house and mercury in the 9th.

Jupiter (broad, foreign) in the 3rd house (languages, communication, early neighborhood)
Mercury (communication, learning) in the 9th house of foreign matters.

I switch it because Mercury in the 3rd doesn't necessarily point to foreign languages, nor does Jupiter in the 9th.


I'm a Sag rising with Jupiter in the 3rd too. I speak only English and Spanish (learned through 9 years in school) fluently. But I've always tried to gain a broad basic knowledge of other languages. I've studied Tagalog, Ukranian, Russian, Polish, Italian, Greek, Portuguese, Vietnamese, and Danish. I've also currently enrolled in a Japanese class for personal interest

Also though Jupiter/Sagittarius represents culture. Race tends to belong to the 11th house. With a Sag AC, his Sun would be near/in the 8th house, which could be indicative of the "outsider" effect. Mercury would be in his 9th, drawing his mental faculties, communication, relatives, and behavior to be culture focused. Jupiter in the 3rd could indicate many relatives, and/or relatives with different cultures and religious backgrounds. Also, Mercury would be the ruler of his 11th house (racial group identification). Emphasizing his "mixed race" situation and identity.

Neptune would be in his 1st (I have this too) and that relates to the "difficulty categorizing himself". It's a tough placement to have. It can be much harder to know yourself when Neptune is fogging up the mirror.

Uranus would rule his 4th house, with Jupiter possibly sitting close to the IC which againt, plays into his "different" family structure, feelings of being an outsider, and with Uranus in the 12th in Sag, would bring up further support the culture issue. Ruler of the 3rd house would/could be Uranus (picks up knowledge with lightning speed), in Sag (foreign languages).

Pluto is also in the 11th (I have this one too!) which can make him feel like a stranger/outcast when it comes to identifying with a particular race or ethnic group.

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posted July 08, 2008 05:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message
well i thought of that but hes tall(over 6) but thin. its nearly impossible for him to gain weight. he also has changable looks, and he doesnt like to take pictures of himself. he just looks gemini-ish to me. sag rising would give him a tendency to weight gain, esp in the thighs...

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posted July 08, 2008 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message
writesomething,


Keep in mind, Gemini is the opposite of Sagittarius...and the Ascendant acts like a Mirror. Often, we will have traits of our opposing rising sign as well as the rising sign itself. I've noticed this quite a bit. Sagittarius Rising is also known for being tall and thin. Not all Sag risings put on weight. His ruler would be Jupiter in AQUARIUS. And Aquarius is also known for being tall, taller than average and quite thin and wiry. Jupiter also would square Saturn, which could work to diminish his ability to gain weight, OR could make him have out of control weight gain issues. The ruler of his 6th or health, would be Venus in Taurus...a strong placement.. opposed by SATURN ..which again would double up on the possibility of his not being able to gain weight.

If he was Gemini Rising, he may be tall and thin, however Mercury is in Leo. Does his hair stand out? A thick, shiny mane? Does he have a ruddy complexion? Also, he wouldn't be wiry thin, he'd be more solidly built. I mean I know its not all the same for all Leos but many many that I've seen tend to be pretty solid, even if thin. They don't seem that thin. Also- Leos aren't known for height, not like Aquarius or Sagittarius. Even Gemini isn't known to be very tall, above average yes. But we have to look at more than the sign to determine. There's also genetics.

Also, A Gemini Rising, with Mercury in Leo would LOVE to take pictures. Sure maybe the square to Pluto would temper that a bit, but no Leo turns down a picture willingly, I'm a Leo Moon- I've learned that the hard way Plus, to add his Mercury would quincunx Neptune..Neptune RULES photography. With Leo + Neptune + Gemini + Pluto, I'd think he might actually take up photography as a hobby.

Just throwing out ideas

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posted July 08, 2008 05:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message
that was a really good post ana..he is muscular, he likes to work out..his hair is thin, not too much hair, his skin so so,.hes never had a serious relationship hes really socially awkward with girls i think.

he loves to take pictures just not of himself. his pictures tend to always be elusive of himself.

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posted July 08, 2008 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message
I wouldn't use the virginity thing since that's personal and has to do with exact timing, I don't believe thats accurate to use for everyone. You'd have to refer to transits, progressions, etc.


Muscular wouldn't raise my flag to Gemini. Geminis aren't generally muscular unless there's some other aspect or major influence working in tandem. Mercury is cerebral.

BUT let's flip the chart to Sag. Sagittarius is the sign of sports. If Sagittarius was the rising sign, there's a good chance Aries will sit either on the 5th house cusp or be intercepted there (I'm making a wild assumption, since Aries is on my 4th, not my 5th). If this is the case, his athleticism will be amplified by the mere fact that Aries sits on his house of hobbies, spectatorship, and fun. Aries is raw energy- and he would be more likely drawn to things like sports, high energy activities, or like working out.

Plus, the ruler..Mars in Cancer..would be conjunct the Sun. That's a major flag for athleticism. If he was Gem rising, Mercury in Leo would sit in his 3rd house. That would point hobbies more towards writing and communicating, and travel. It wouldn't raise the interest in working out to me. Actually, I'd assume there is no interest (from that one aspect alone- I know we'd need more).

Mars in Cancer is very strong. It draws energy from it's emotions and with that ruling his 5th house, and conjunct his Sun. He could channel that into transforming (8th house where Mars would sit) his body, health, and wellbeing (Sun). Also, Taurus would sit on the 6th..making the health/condition of body very solid and strong. Venus in Taurus would make it even stronger, focusing his interests, hobbies, and personal enjoyment on health related things. Deeming an inclination towards exercise and staying fit.

Then, the opposition of Venus to Saturn paired with the Sun conjunct Mars in Cancer would give him the tenacity and determination to focus on his health.

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posted July 08, 2008 05:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message
let me find a pic of him.... maybe you can help by looking at his pic.

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posted July 08, 2008 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message
Just that stance alone.

I dated a guy who had 5 planets in Sagittarius with his Moon in Aquarius conjunct Jupiter in Aquarius.

Every picture, either he was standing with his legs spread wide, or reaching as high as he could for the ceiling, or reaching out very wide. It's a Sag thing...it's that "expansive" quality. I've actually read this somewhere too. I do see the thinness, but he also seems a lot more solid than a Gemini Rising. Also- (And I know he's a guy), but I'd think Gemini-Leo would be more well kept (he's not NOT well-kept) than he seems. He just seems more laid back and less concerned with his appearance than the Leo influence would normally bring.

He looks more Sag-Aqua to me. The whole "freedom" thing, just washes over him. And I see some Neptune, esp. in the way he's gazing off and not facing the camera head-on. It's very non-chalant like hey, I know you're there but I'm too cool to notice.

Very Sag-Aqua-Neptune like to me.


Sag's my vote. It'll be funny if it turns out to be like Cancer or Virgo and I'm way off

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posted July 08, 2008 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message
What kind of girls does he go after? I know you said no serious relationships but what kind of girl is he attracted to? What are his hobbies? His temperament? Career/Life aspirations?

These things would help determine if we're even on the right track.

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posted July 08, 2008 06:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message
i remember at one point he was very attracted to foreign girls, the first girl he lost his virginity to was a persian girl. so anything exotic seems to catch his attention. hes very easygoing, nice guy. he HATES confrontations, he will avoid it as much as humanly possible. he doesnt like to argue. career/life, hes going to university for economics and something else but mainly economics. he hated living in the states and went back to canada because he loves cold weather and Canada is general.. hes obsessed with hockey, traveling, Architecture, etc...

hes a cheap a--, and hates spending money. his parents have money but he doesnt like to spend their money because theyre already paying so much for schooling, so hes appreciative of their help and doesnt take it for granted. hes an atheist.

i wanted to add, that ive always told him he reminds me of autchen kutcher's character in "a lot like love"...

hes into politics, and likes intelligent converstations.

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I have to 2nd what Alannabelle said. I have mercury in the 9th and I pick up foreign languages like crazy. In my Russian class, the actual russian people in it would copy off of my test..lol.

I almost majored in languages because they came so easily to me and I loved them and foreign culture so much.

As for appearance and AC, I've never really thought you could tell by looks. In those pics, though, you cna get a feel for his personality and I agree he seems Sag or aquarius, too.

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sd09
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posted July 08, 2008 08:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message
anabelle86 when is ur birth day?and do u speak russian?

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posted July 08, 2008 09:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message
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writesomething
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posted July 08, 2008 09:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Wouldnt sun, and mars in the 8th give him a scorpio look/feel? hes not scorpioish at all, no scorpio look about him.

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posted July 08, 2008 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
I'm Gem rising with Sun & Mercury in the 9th house. I only speak English :P

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posted July 08, 2008 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I'm a Gemini Rising. Just thought I'd throw that out there. I don't match the stereotypes.

Two of the stars on my pro hockey team are Cancers.

If he's attracted to different backgrounds than his own, then Sag on the DC might fit.

What if you put his Venus in Taurus in the 9th since he's attracted to foreigners? Possible Taurus (Accountant) or Gemini (Multilingual) MC? That could put Virgo on his Ascendant, which would be another good justifier for his multilingualism.

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posted July 08, 2008 09:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message
acoustic- i think you got it....i dont know but when you said virgo rising...it just makes sense let me go check out what the chart would look like.

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posted July 08, 2008 10:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message
eh i dont know....i wish i knew his birth time! UGH, I think its definitely either gemini, sag, or virgo...mutuable.

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posted July 08, 2008 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
i can't pitch in adjusting the chart since my knowledge is poor, but i do speak a few languages and am always fascinated by traveling and learning more languages. i also have a hard time fitting in.

i have my ascendant in sagittarius. jupiter is in the 7th opposing my mercury in the first house. mercury is also in trine with the saturn in the 9th, my 3rd house ruler uranus is in my 11th. neptune is conjunct ascendant.

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posted July 09, 2008 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rubi001     Edit/Delete Message
I speak a few languages fluently, and some German. Im a Aries.

hope this helps

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posted July 09, 2008 12:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message
rubi- i think you'd have an early aquarius rising, because it would put your aries planets in the 3rd(communications) and pluto in the 9th(languages, foreign, etc)

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