posted July 20, 2008 10:53 AM         

Let us know about the good and bad dealings you have had with Saturn. Post your chart or list your Saturn aspects and let us know if you can recognize Saturn's influence in your life.

To be quite honest, I have NO IDEA how to recognize Saturn's influence in my life based on my chart. I have read the interprets but like many others, I never really payed much attention to Saturn. All I ever kept hearing is Saturn is all about restricting. I know my Saturn sextiles my Sun and Merc, and trines my Neptune. I also noticed that my Saturn out of sign conjuncts my Mars as well. I have NO idea what any of that means or how I can recognize its influences.

posted July 20, 2008 01:41 PM         

That's why you don't understand Saturn, in the 12th house it is said saturn is in it's joy, but it isn't a joy for the owner. It's were he can do his "best" job, dissolving structures, bringing chaos beacause he is unseen and unpaid attention to.

posted July 20, 2008 02:21 PM         

I noticed my thought processes becoming more efficient, streamlined, a LOT less idealistic (especially romanticly wise), more realistic, and more determined to get some of my goals accomplished.

During my Saturn Return, I felt like I was being pulled from a million different angles all at once. It was one of the hardest periods of my life. And let me tell you, this Uranus passing through my 7th house right now (which my wife's sun and mars falls) is actually giving my Saturn return a run for it's money in how bad it's making things.

I definitely see divorce on the horizon. People don't change, they just express the "changed" energy differently. But if YOU know that person, it will appear as if the person hasn't changed at all since you know them so well.

And as far as Saturn in synastry goes, I don't know how to recognize it's effects. That's why I hope some knowflakes come in here and share some of their personal experinces they have with Saturn in synastry.

posted July 20, 2008 02:57 PM         

With my ex, his Saturn, Pluto, Uranus, and Mars all squared my moon/his NN in a T Square.

My Saturn opposed his moon.

It was a very hard relationship and I felt like I was dying emotionally. Now that I know the astrology, it makes sense.

With my sis/bro in law (they've been married for over 20 years), in synastry, they have his Saturn square her moon.

In composite, they have Saturn conj Venus (8 degree orb) and that opposes their composite moon (Saturn by 9 degrees).

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posted July 23, 2008 02:57 PM         

Oh wait, her Saturn is on my Asc.

With my first love, the Scorpio, we have a Sun square Saturn double whammy. I don't know what to make of Saturn because I can't pinpoint its effects.

posted July 23, 2008 04:19 PM         

Just wanted to know if she knew, cause my ex-husband made his decision to leave me long before I had any clue, and it really hurt me to have it sprung on me one day, after he had all this time to make up his mind.

posted July 23, 2008 04:39 PM         

We just had a big talk about what we can do to try and make each other happy a few weeks ago because we almost broke up. I held up my end of the bargain and she, like always held up hers for a few days and reverted back to her old ways. Its quite obvious we are both only here for the kids.

Not saying you are saying this but me constantly telling her that if our marriage doesnt get any better then we are getting a divorce wont make things better. i have voiced it once and I feel that is all it takes. Her actions in the past have shown me that she really doesnt care about our union. She never gave me warnings before she did some of the treacherous things she did so I honestly dont think I need to tell her that I feel our marriage is heading fior splitsville since her actions shows that she is pushing us there.

I can go on and on about how when you love someone you don't do or you do, do. But that is not necessary here. I gave her AND us MANY chances and she just really acts as if she doesn't care. She speaks words of "I love you" out of her mouth but her actions say a COMPLETELY different thing. Me personally, I speak with my words and actions. I treated her like a queen for a LONG time and in return she pretty much walked all over me and showed our marriage no respect. I loved her IMMENSELY and did all I could to make her happy. Did she do the same in return? Ha ha, that is quite funny. No she didn't. She only cared about herself. We have 2 kids together and you think she would have got her act together but she still acts like the world revolves around her.

Old hurts and memories are making it quite difficult for me to see the purpose of continuing this marriage. We are at the point where it doesn't matter how good either of us treat each other, the pain outweighs what little love we have (at least on my part). This she doesn't know, but to be quite honest, all that has happened in the past is making it EXTREMELY difficult for me to be IN LOVE with her. I care about her I do. I don't want anything bad happening to her. Its just that i'm not in love with her anymore; but I am trying.

GemGemGem, if you want to talk privately, send me an email at gotgemini@gmail.com

I have spoken about my marriage on here before and 2 certain someone's QUICKLY passed negative judgment on me without knowing one iota of our story and why things the way they were. So I ask you and everyone else, before you decide to pass judgment on myself or anyone else, try to find out what the whole story is.

I am a GOOD person with a GOOD heart who is loyal, supportive, loving, affectionate, and all that other good stuff in a relationship. All i ask is to be treated like I treat you.

PS: And one more thing, I dont mind telling people here because to be quite honest, there is a level of anonymity that we have here at LL. Like I said, I tell her some stuff, but I am sure she doesn't tell me all that she feels.

posted July 24, 2008 02:33 PM         

Natally: I have a Virgo Saturn in the 11th house, square Neptune, but sextile Uranus and Mercury. This is a really tough Saturn position to have, because although Saturn is dignified by being in the 11th house, it makes anything that I could possibly hope and wish for extremely difficult to get; plus friendships have always been very limiting to me.

Synastry: In our composite chart, my fiancee and I have Saturn in Libra conjunct the Ascendant, Jupiter, and Venus. Individually, my Saturn is conjunct her Mars and square her Moon and Neptune. Her Saturn is conjunct my Venus and Moon...oy!

Transiting: Well, my Saturn Return is really about to get underway! It just made its second transiting conjunction to my Jupiter. On Tuesday it will make its second transiting conjunction to my North Node (I HAVE AN INTERVIEW ON THAT DAY!!! :-) After that it will make its slow approach to my natal Saturn, but the actual exact conjunction doesn't happen until August 2009.

All that I do know is that the outer rumblings of my Saturn Return have been really chaotic, as though my life is being knocked down and rebuilt. As Got Gemini? said, I am looking at things in a much more realistic way, sometimes a little too harshly, but it needs to be done.

Currently, I am going back and forth about whether or not I'm going to break up with my fiancee...scary times indeed because I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO! The gist of the story really sounds like Got Gemini's story though: I do all of the domestic chores, take care of the dogs, am the responsible financial partner (I paid all of the rent, plus $145 to cover additional expenses), and treat her extremely well (for example supporting her with her latest diet, because she is morbidly obese.)

She spends $100+ on hobbies that only last a month, never helps me with the chores, and whenever I try to talk with her about any major issue I am having with her, she throws a temper tantrum until she gets her way. It's like living with a 5 year old girl and not a 25 year old.

posted July 24, 2008 07:49 PM         

But I did find this for you, since you have Saturn in the Twelfth. Hope it helps.

With Saturn in the 12th House a person tends to be haunted by the spectre of existentialism, the fear that existence is random and meaningless. Yet this placement is found in the charts of some of the most renowned spiritual luminaries. In H12, as in any other, Saturn rewards effort. People with this placement who strive to find a meaning for existence may come to great truths.

It is possible that people with Saturn in H12 are dealing with more than individual Karma, and in working through their own fear and negativity they are helping to transmute the Karma of Mankind. For such a task the rewards are commensurate but there may be years of doubt, darkness and depression before they are experienced.

People with Saturn in H12 are likely to have a parent who is a depressive or has a fearful, defeatist view of life. If not actively over-protected, the child is taught by example that existence is an intrinsically negative experience. Safety is sought in structure, both literally and metaphorically: there is a tendency to hold onto scientific truths and admit little that is not empirically provable. Many find talk of the ‘life beyond’ unnerving. Agoraphobia is also a common condition amongst people with Saturn in H12.

Saturn in the twelfth house - a problem of purposelessness

In human terms, the placement of Saturn in the twelfth house of a natal chart is probably the most uncomfortable because it creates a sense of purposeless of existence. This is usually an intermittent rather than ongoing experience, manifesting through bouts of depression and despair that last months rather than weeks. During these periods, a person is aware of all the imperfections in the human condition: the pain, the suffering and death, and cannot see the point of it all. In fact, it is this very experience that gives him his point because, whether he is aware of it or not, he is engaged in processing the negativity of the human family and if only he could become aware of it, he could be so assisted in this sacrificial task from a higher level. This placement of Saturn is to be found in the charts of many of the spiritual luminaries of the modern world.

A person who has turned around a twelfth house Saturn has learned to hold steady, to appeal to a higher level, and not identify with his periods of black despair, realising as did the King in the famous Sufi story that ‘this too will pass’.

posted July 24, 2008 10:22 PM         

I apologize if I sounded judgemental. I don't know the whole story and do not judge your situation at all.

I was merely curious about your situation with your wife, because you seem to mention "the end" so matter of factly. I didn't know whether she knew about how you felt. I was just saying that if she doesn't know, I think you should tell her. It was not meant to be a judgement, but merely giving some advice based on my own experience.

I do not doubt for a second that you are a good person, and have an immensely good heart. Maybe too much so, that you are willing to sacrifice your own happiness, and stay with someone you do not love. It sounds as if you have done everything in your power to make the relationship work, but you cannot make a relationship work by yourself if your partner is not willing to meet you halfway.

Counselling is a great idea. Maybe it will help her to see herself objectively. It is almost impossible to change people, but I do believe that if you love someone enough, you will be willing to do anything for them.

Thank you for sharing your story. I hope that you find happiness in whatever decision you make.

posted July 24, 2008 11:14 PM         

Got Gemini, in your natal chart, I actually think Saturn is a positive influence. It's kind of like a leveller for your Sun/Neptune opposition. It brings you back to the real world, when you stray too far on a dream boat that is going nowhere. And when your ego climbs too high in arrogance or sinks too far in low self-esteem, it gets bent back into shape by Saturn’s stabilizing influence.

Your Saturnian side understands your Sun (your ego) and your Saturnian side also understands your Neptunian side.. even if Sun and Neptune are not always on the same page. So Saturn can take you from one to the other and back again - without the friction and conflict that may usually arise with that opposition.

I think it's actually a sign of depth and spirituality. You'll find, a lot of interpretations for Neptune oppositions & squares to personal planets (mainly the sun)- refer to the possibility of being either - the saint or the sinner - or alternating between the two, never reaching a compromise.

Because of the Saturn influence on both your Sun and Neptune (and obviously Mercury is thrown into the mix) - you are more than willing to WORK on the Sun/Neptune aspect and thus bring out the best qualities in both these planets.

One interpretation I heard of Saturn and Sun (although it was in synastry) made an analogy to wood carving. Saturn carves the Sun which may hurt, but it’s usually for the Sun’s own good (mainly when the aspects are the trine or the sextile)

Basically, you try to be the best you can be. You're not someone who is afraid of work. Even though you're a very airy person - you're probably not afraid of committing yourself to things or people.. because you *trust* yourself. Saturn is all about trust. The Sun is who you are.. so you DO have trust in your own abilities.

The Neptune shows a different side.. where you might actually fall into low self-esteem and doubt yourself, so I think Saturn is a saving grace for you. It gives you a boost of faith in yourself.

posted July 24, 2008 11:33 PM         

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for instance, I started at my new job last week and I honestly would just rather not interact with anyone because the thought of having to talk to people I don't know gives me anxiety.

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Maybe you're not realistic about other people and relationships, since Saturn rules reality - the real world as it is, with no sugar coating.

People are just people. You *are* people. I think the anxiety comes from thinking about those people as "aliens" rather than - people just like you. If you followed any one person around for a day (including not only work colleagues but even myself and others who post here) if you were like a small fly no one could see and you could watch all of these people's lives - 90% of the time, you would see pretty much the same things you see in your own life.