posted July 24, 2008 03:04 PM         

Why do I have 3 Saturn returns within a span of 1 year, when most have 3 in their whole lifetime! I got very depressed and went through a lot of hardship and pain during the last two, and I'm really afraid of this 3rd one. Saturn is kicking my butt lately.

Is there a diffferent significance to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd saturn returns that I've had this year?
And why do I have 3, instead of 1 like everyone else? Is there a different lesson to each?

posted July 24, 2008 03:20 PM         

I guess that's why I asked the question on this astrology forum...to learn more about it!

Nightjar, I thought this forum was here to discuss and learn. If I knew all the answers myself, I wouldn't be asking.

posted July 24, 2008 03:30 PM         

Think of the planet going retrograde (appears to be moving backwards) as a delay.
The first hit will highlight the issue of Saturn. When it goes back over it, you are going back to that issue, which might seem that you are moving backwards, and then final hit will not exactly be the resolution, but come pretty close to it.
Same for any planet.

posted July 24, 2008 05:19 PM         

You might actually get off easy this time as Saturn moves past your natal Saturn this 3rd time. Often, there is a developmental rhythm to the "forward, retrograde, forward" movement of the outer planets.

Many times the first transit will go completely unnoticed with no major events, but when the planet goes backward, your life reflects that connection, but may not reflect the third.

It can happen that you feel the first hit, then not feel the second, but then feel the third.

There are all different combinations of how it can happen and there's no predicting which on will be felt first unless you are a professional astrologer who can read all the other signals happening in the chart.

My biggest wish for you is, since you already felt the 1st two hits, God will let you ride this last one out. You also have to remember that Saturn brings you skills, so this last hit might be the one where Saturn hands you your diploma or the toolbox or asks you to polish the buttons on your uniform, or just checks to see that you have organized all those Virgo details. So make sure you're following the rules, organizing the details and keeping your buttons polished. That way Saturn can walk away seeing you stand up straight and proud after the hard time he's given you.

Most of all, know that you are going to be fine. Between you and me, this is Saturns 3rd hit to squaring my Ascendant and it hasn't been fun at all, but I'm doing my best to show him that I'm trying to keep it together.

Geocosmic Valentine
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posted July 25, 2008 09:41 AM         

Saturn went retrograde right around my natal Saturn TWICE since 2006. first time it approached it and went back without hitting my Saturn, then second it passed and then went back. now it has passed over for good and making its way away.

posted July 25, 2008 10:51 PM         

I've been very "off" all day. Then IT happens! It all started with me getting lost driving through NYC (which has never happened to me before, since I've lived here my whole life!) and find myself in the Bronx. I drive around lost for about an hour, and when I finally get back on 95 South (the largest major highway in NYC)MY ENGINE DIES! IT SPUTTERS AND DIES! I am in the middle of traffic, during rush hour. I barely get to side of the road, which has no shoulder.
Everyone is honking at me and I'm scrambling to call a tow truck, but no one will pick me up on this major highway. I call my dealer, and my warranty JUST RAN OUT!!! So they wouldn't send me a tow truck free of charge, and it would take hours! So I call another tow company. They charge me $500! (cash) Then when I finally get the car to the dealership, they charge me another $500, just to LOOK at the car. This is even before fixing anything. So in one day, I've spent $1000, and that's even before the car repairs. This has been one crap of a day! haha!

Kick it, I am trying not to fear Saturn, but it also happens to square my Sun, Moon, and Mercury right now, hence the anxiety and getting my a$$ kicked.

Geocosmic Valentine, I've felt the first, and second, so am hoping this one won't be so bad, but looking at how today went, I am freaked again! I have learned a lot these past few months though, and I feel the change within myself. But Saturn doesn't seem to want to hand me my diploma without a fight! haha.

lechien, so you only had 2 saturn returns, not 3?

posted July 25, 2008 11:18 PM         

What a frustrating (and costly) day you had
Two negative experiences have taught you to fear this transit. Saturn can and does bring difficult lessons. But what good does it do indulging in a nebulous fear of harm or loss?? Will you live your life fearing what each new day will bring, fearing what the other difficult transits will produce?? Many disciplines teach that what you think is what will manifest in your life. If you feel that harmful things will always happen to you when balls of gas and rock in the sky make certain mathematical angles to their positions when you were born, then harmful events *will* come to pass.

Please read what Belage wrote above. You are having your first Saturn Return, no matter how many times it perfects (or contacts your natal Saturn). Your 2nd Saturn Return will occur when you are 57-59 years old.

posted July 27, 2008 08:10 PM         

I will try to stay positive! Thank you for the moral support, and great advice!

posted July 27, 2008 08:19 PM         

I hope by my 2nd return I've matured as you have, so I can handle my return with courage, and deal with any upheavals with calm and peace.

A few years ago, I used to be the girl who sought DRAMA! I always created issues just so I could FEEL important and alive, cause my life was so uneventful and boring. Now, all I want is to feel calm, peaceful, and comfortable within my own self, and all I get is drama! haha. That's life I guess.

My Sun, Moon, and Mercury are all conjunct, so when my saturn (or any other planet) squares one, it squares them all, so when it rains, it POURS!

posted July 27, 2008 10:33 PM         

Planets do nothing, people do. It's not surprising that you are "afraid" because Saturn rules fear. One of the lessons may be for you to turn that fear around and turn it into "strategy" "planning" "organization". You must also remember that the planets don't cause behaviors, they are rocks for you to brace against, especially Saturn which rules hard surfaces and foundations, stability, rocks, mountains.

The planets also hand you masks to wear. Saturn hands you the mask of "AUTHORITY". You can either be pushed around by authority or you can wear the mask of authority or you can BE the authority. Saturn is power and strength. Saturn is a tool for YOU to use. It is the hammer. You can either use that hammer or let it hammer you.

Saturn is wisdom, ice, truth, loyalty, Saturn's got your back, Saturn is your skeletal system, the skin that keeps your organs and insides safe, it represents boundaries.

The fact that Saturn is squaring those other planets at the same time suggests that things will feel difficult, but with Saturn squaring your Moon and Mercury and Sun, it's not just misery, Saturn in hard aspect to the Moon is AMBITION. Yes, with Mercury in can be depressing, but it is also saying to you "Write out your plans clearly NOW!" It is telling you to walk tall and straight and project the heir of authority.

Remember, God is in charge, and the planets are not here to make you miserable, that's not the point of astrology. Astrology is a system of symbols for you to use as a guide, not to fear. I venture to say that instead of thinking of Saturn as having caused your daughter medical issue, Saturn may have stepped in to "Preserve her life."

Take that in...

It's easy for me to say these things, it's more difficult to experience but I am experiencing that 3rd transit to my ASC by square so I'm with ya kiddo. We can do it together and don't forget to pray. I always ask my Higher Power to illuminate the symbols in my chart to the highest and most positive vibrational outcome that can come about with the movement of the planets and the universe.

Higher Power always hears you and helps out. Take good care and it'll be over soon.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted July 28, 2008 07:07 AM         

Saturn return is about growing up. in what ways are refusing to grow up? what responsabilities are you refusing or neglecting? what life lessons do you fail again and again (what situatuations keep coming back?)

look for clues into the sign, house of Saturn, and for support in th house/s with cap on the cusp. (houses ruled by Saturn are also affected in a domino-like effect).

when a planet goes back - you should be glad!thankful! it's giving you a second chance to do something right. something you failed at the first time (the first hit).

posted August 08, 2008 10:51 AM         

Thank you everyone for your support and for helping me get through this. It's been a really rough year.

The whole car breaking down thing during this 3rd go-around of Saturn's return was a pain the butt, but it made me realize something. That old car belonged to my ex-husband, so I kept it for sentimental reasons. I never felt really comfortable in it, but just couldn't let it go. I think Saturn was telling me it's time to let it go. I learned my lesson...the hard way. So, now I'm looking to get a new car! Any recommendations?

Geocosmic Valentine, what you wrote about "being the authority" instead of being pushed around by Saturn, (and its authority) of taking my destiny in my own hands, and using the hammer, instead of being smashed by it, really woke me up, and changed my life!!

posted August 08, 2008 11:44 AM         

The first hit saw me actually get a job, after 2.5 years and 250 applications.

The retrograde hit occurred a few weeks after that and was the hardest because my job turned out more difficult than I had planned on it being.