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posted July 24, 2008 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello

I suppose this is a question directed to all and your experiences with 7th house mooners or more in particular those with a 7th house moon.

I'm no psychiatrist and my knowledge of psychiatry is very sketchy but I have increasingly notice that I seem to be a sink and/or mirror for other people's feelings. For example, the other day, a person I was with was getting very annoyed because they couldn't buy a particular lunch and I got annoyed back. I've noticed this happen a lot to me recently and now looking back in the past, I've seen it happen a lot then (eg burst into tears when others do etc).

Now I think this is the process of transference in psychiatry. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I think maybe this might be 7th house moon quality, which I have in libra. Do other 7th house mooners do this as well?


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posted July 24, 2008 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a 7th house mooner and I am not quite sure what you mean.

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posted July 24, 2008 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Belage - what I'm trying to say is that do you reflect other people's emotions back when they reflect them on you? Do you mirror other people's emotions or take them up as your own?

I'm wondering if this is a 7th house moon quality.

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posted July 25, 2008 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tigerlily     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel like it's that way for me...but it could be my Cancer Sun, Mercury and Mars, my Scorpio Neptune and my Pisces N Node that make me a sponge for other people's emotions. I feel what they feel...always.

I'm a 7th House Virgo Mooner which manifests for me as my being quite cautious and unfortunately, critical towards others. I can be quite aloof and standoffish toward people if I don't like their vibe. That's the Virgo though. If I had a water Moon in the 7th I would be a mess, picking up on people's feelings all the more. I think a Libra Moon in the 7th could definitely manifest that too.

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posted July 25, 2008 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
23, I don't think moon in the 7th picks up emotions from "people" in general. However, it might do it in the case of prospective or actual marriage partners, as this is the house of marriage partners.

7th house is also the house of open enemies, so I am not sure how this would be reflected here in the area of transference.

I think picking up people's emotions and transference have to do with water as a previous poster said, especially Pisces, and to a much lesser extend Cancer or Scorpio as they are more self protective kind of water. Strong Neptunian element in the chart will also do that.

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posted July 25, 2008 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah interesting. I don't have a exalted neptune but it is in a rather prominent spot being in the 8th house in sag. It is opp mars, trine jupiter/asc and sextile pluto.

I was talking to someone about it and the process that I undergo when doing that to someone is empathy, an ability to understand another's emotions. Sounds very neptunian, doesn't it?

I was reading that the 7th house moon person is ultra-sensitive to other people's emotions though. '

Thanks for the help

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posted July 25, 2008 02:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually this is interesting. While I well know that wikipedia is not a legitimate textbook, its kind of ok as a start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy

quote:
Contrasting empathy with other phenomena

Empathy is distinct from sympathy, pity, emotional contagion, and telepathy. Sympathy is the feeling of compassion for another, the wish to see them better off or happier, often described as "feeling sorry" for someone. Pity is feeling that another is in trouble and in need of help as they cannot fix their problems themselves. Emotional contagion is when a person (especially an infant or a member of a mob) imitatively 'catches' the emotions that others are showing without necessarily recognizing this is happening (Hatfield et al 1994). Telepathy is not a psychological phenomenon, but a supposedly paranormal phenomenon, whereby emotions or other mental states can be read directly, without needing to infer, or perceive expressive clues about the other person.
Pity is, "Things are bad for you, you seem as though you need help."
Sympathy is, "I'm sorry for your sadness, I wish to help."
Emotional Contagion is, "You feel sad and now I feel sad."
Empathy is, "I recognize how you feel."
Apathy is, "I don't care how you feel. "
Telepathy is, "I read your sadness without you expressing it to me in any normal way."
Schadenfreude is “Things are bad for you and I feel good about that.”


Well problem is that I now realise that I am doing it. Does it go up to empathy now?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_contagion

quote:
Emotional contagion and empathy have an interesting relationship; for without an ability to differentiate between personal and pre-personal experience (see individuation), they appear the same. In The Art of Loving, Erich Fromm explores the autonomy necessary for empathy which is not found in contagion. Fromm extolled the virtues of humans taking independent action and using reason to establish moral values rather than adhering to authoritarian moral values. Recognizing emotions and acknowledging their cause can be one way to avoid emotional contagion. Transfers of emotions have been studied in different situations and settings. Social and physiological causes are the two largest areas of research.

So by acting in emotional contagion, I'm in effect fused with the other - a libra quality don't you think? The fact that I realise now that I am doing it and am not the person who initiated the emotion, then it means empathy I guess?

quote:
One view, proposed by Hatfield and colleagues, describes the emotional contagion process as a primitive, automatic and unconscious behavior.

Something I noticed in this thread before I considered this issue: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/018478.html

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posted July 28, 2008 03:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Buddy, I don't remember your entire chart .. but let me know what you think of my observations

1. Why did you ask this question?

Well, you have read a lot about astrology and emphasis/aspects of tears associated with different criteria such as Water signs (Cancer/Pisces), Moon, Neptune etc...

But, your Aqua Sun Soul will wonder about WHY me? because that Aqua Soul demands answers and as objective and as clear as possible. So, that you can put together a logic to understand everytime tears come.

2. So, WHY Tears?

First, Tears are associated with our emotions and emotions are mainly associated with Moon (other aspects/planets/signs matter). And placement of Moon is how we project our emotions.

Now, only 7th house is not responsible in your case.. it is the 7th house Moon in LIBRA that drives your tears way more faster than even Cancers or Pisces. So, why? Well, If you read closely your chart.. you already have Sun Mars and Moon trined and your Trine finds projections on 7th house Moon - again 7th house itself is ruled by Libra - so look at how senstive it becomes with your Aries Rising (which is also ultra sensitive).

Based on description of kind of tears you are talking about, they are highly partnership/ brotherhood/ sisterhood oriented.. if you observe closely, it is when other friend/partner is hurt, you are finding tears.. 7th House effect is very strong here because again as an Aqua Soul you care about your friends strongly, you already have an innate intutive sense.. so when you observe that someone else is being hurt, or someone else doesn't like something, suddenly, Your Aqua Soul is on Alert, And Trined Libra Moon starts projecting.. now when intensity of pain increases on the ohter party, your Mars in Gem Trined with Sun and Moon again increases higher intensity because naturally your Gem Mars has also found a logical reason of why you need to care about others.

So, really the logic goes from Aqua Sun to Trined Moon of Libra on 7th house with intensity coming from Gem Mars.

3. But now, let me ask you, do you cry on Past memories? Do you cry when you are hurt yourself - not your friends/partner.. but, when someone hurts you? I doubt that you cry when someone directly hurts you. Because at that time Aqua Sun comes back with strong will power and Libra moon will not need to project.

In my view, this is a gift that you have an awesome trine - otherwise you might have to control/ subside a lot of emotions and you might come across as a detached aqua. Only thing of caution is to ensure any business partnership you create - the other person is not Selfish or Manipulative.

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posted July 30, 2008 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THanks for the try mb! (Good to see you as well)

Actually, I don't have a trine between mars, moon and sun unfortunately!

I have a wide trine between moon and mars (20 deg lib, 14 deg gem) and I think after thinking about this, have a conjunction between moon and pluto (even though they are 20 deg lib and 11 deg lib, they are both conj my DC at 15 deg lib) and brought together.

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posted May 03, 2013 07:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for foxxyxo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow 23 i have thesame position as you! libra moon 7th house

ive been wandering for awhillllllle if i was an empathic because i can literally feel someones emotions sometimes...its not like i walk in a room and pick up everybodys vibes at once but if i concentrate on one person, dont even have to concentrate, i feel like i can feel what they feel. i wander what they must be feeling i pick up on their body language, expression, evergthing and then i feel what theyre feeling, most of the time for some reason i pick up sad emotions, or irritable emotions, probably because at those times when people are feeling down im trying to figure out why, guess thats where the "empathy" part comes in with people.

i recently had a friend who i could sense had anger issues, he never told me he did but i could just sense it and i had a feeling that i needed to get away from him because he felt troubled to me. i asked him if he did but he denied it....months later he admitted to having anger issues and actually thanked me for opening up his eyes...weird!!!!!

its like i can pick up facial expressions, tone, body language so fast it gets overwhelming sometimes....i mainly feel the sad vibes when im around my family too, my sister just seems insecure with herself and stuck all time time, my mom is so loving sweet and pure but it kills me when i pick up her sad, empty feeling vibes, guess thats why shes so sweet to make up for her emptiness...my dad i feel very unenthusiastic around because thats what he portrays....prob feel happiest around my brother because he acts like me...strong soul he sees flaws in life but doesnt care, moves on and still continues to have fun. i love being around strong people like that

o man especially if your moon is conjunct someone elses moon....i have this with justin bieber..i know hahahahhhahaha but seriously, i sense his not happy, im sure the rest of the world might notice this too but i can sense even with all his fame and glory his still insecure deep down, wants to be loved, almost is uncomfortable with how much sexual tension he gets from people yet thats what his trying to portray his image as...his trying too hard and maybe feels like its hard to relax. ugh he just feels tense to me!!!!!

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posted May 12, 2013 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemNymph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a 7th house Pisces moon. Empathy? Yes. Sympathy? Yes. Tons of those. But transference? Not so much. Emotional contagion? No. If there was a mob, I'd be the person running the other direction, going "Those people are crazy!" I'm actually very emotionally self-possessed--I want to feel my emotions and not have them crowded out by others'--and do not to be around people who are not, the kind o people who "spill" their emotins out all over everyone, like vomit. Those kinds of people make me extremely anxious, in part because as a Pisces moon, I'm very sensitive to feeling "crowded" or "oppressed" by others' unchecked emotions.

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posted May 21, 2013 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquagembaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No I don't think I do the mirror thing. I'm a Moon in Gemini in 7th house.

If anything, 99% of the time I'm the one that keeps my cool when the other person is angry or upset. Maybe it's my Venus in Aqua?

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