posted August 07, 2008 07:36 AM         

The basic comparision has have some major aspects between personal planets and points (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, ASC/ DC, IC/MC and their ruler, ruler of 5th or even 8th house).
In the instances of those personal planets / points aspecting each other I even expand my orbs a bit (to almost 5°, at least for conjunctions, for sextiles I still feel comfortable with 3°).

But there is another thing that I think may be important, too.
Even though the sign a planet is basic, the sign the ruler of that sign is in gives a subtle but existing nuance.

Example:
I have Sun, Mercury, Mars, ASC in SAgittarius and yes, I am truely Sagittarian in many respects, but the ruler of Sagittarius, Jupiter, is in Pisces. And I DO feel that influence, too.
So I would actually say my Sun has a Sagittarius / Pisces influence, even though the Sagittarius-part is the strongest of course.
But the sign the ruler is in seems to play a role, too and may explain differences between people with the same sun sign. I am certainly a different Sagittarius from a SAg with Jupiter in Aries, let`s say.

I also feel that the signruler (Dispositor) may -under certain circumstances- give some more understanding for other people.
Example: I don`t have any personal planets in Pisces, but the fact that Pisces is the "overtone" of almost all my personal planets gives me a little bit of understanding and similiarity to Pisces.

I think those rulers and the aspects they have with the planets may add something to synastric comparision, too.

I have looked at some examples:

Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward:

NOw those two have enough major aspects I think. But if I look at the aspects the ruler of their signs make with each other, it gets almost scary. BTW I would look at the old ruler (Mars, Saturn, Jupiter for Scorpio, Aquarius, Pisces, too).

his Moon opposes her SunRuler
his Moon opposes her Venus-ruler
her Moon conjunct his MoonRuler
his Venus conjunct her old Moon-Ruler
his Venus conjunct her old Mars Ruler and so on, the list is too long to write it all down.

JOhnny Depp - Vanessa Paradis:

normal synastry:
his Venus sextile her Moon
his Venus oppoiste her Mars
his Mars trine her Sun
his Mars square her Venus

Now, with the rulers:
his Sun conjunct her SunR
his Moon conjunct her VEnus R
his Venus opposite her Mars R
his Venus opposite her ACR
her Mars oposite his Venus R
her Mars opposite his Mars R and so on

Johnny Cash - June Carter

Unfortunately her birthdates are not known.

they don`t have overwhelming tight normal synastry; only his Sun / Mars trine her Sun.
(But of course you could have a look at the asteroids and Draco`s in their case. VEry revealing. )

But with the rulers they have
Her Sun trine his VEnus Ruler exactly
his Mars trine her MarsRuler exactly

his old Sun-ruler in her Marssign
his new Moonruler in her Sun-sign
his new Moonruler in the same sign as her Marsruler
his old Moon riler trine her Marsruler exactly
his new Moonruler in the opposite sign of her Moonsign

Actually this is pretty astonishing.

posted August 07, 2008 07:48 AM         

ok, seeing as i'm not using Mike as an example anymore, here it is with that guy lol

my sun ruler conjunct his sun/moon/DC
my moon ruler semi sextile his moon
his sun ruler in my moon sign
his sun ruler in my venus sign
his venus ruler in my Sun sign
his venus ruler in my mars sign

normal synastry
her moon conjunct his sun
her moon conjunct his moon exact
her sun conjunct his venus exact
her venus conjunct his sun
her venus conjunct his moon
her venus square his mars

posted August 07, 2008 07:51 AM         

In my case my Venus:
Capricorn - ruler in Cancer - in Pisces Dwad
And what can I say, my Venus is much dreamier than you would expect with such an earthy placement.

My Moon:
Aquarius - ruler in Scorpio (Uranus) and Cancer (Saturn) - Leo-Dwad
If there is something fix in my chart it is that Moon, which also happens to fall into the fixed 2nd house.
And yes, beneath my intellectual Aquarian aloofness, I can feel Scorpio rumble and rummaging and yes, I know, about the Leo`s well hidden urge to be centre of attention.

I thought maybe we should use the old rulers, because the others may be too generational, but I definitely identify more with a Scorpio-overtone than a CAncer-overtone to my Moon. Hmm. Need to think about that.

posted August 07, 2008 08:04 AM         

his Moon trine her Mars
his Mars opposite her Sun
his Mars square her Mars
his Eros conjunct her Eros.

her Sun oposite his old Marsruler
his Eros Ruler trine her old Erosruler

So, he`s JUST giving her acting-lessons? SURE.

posted August 07, 2008 08:26 AM         

Yes, Jude is really "something". lol
Maybe I will have a look at our synastry again for fun. I`m just fascinated with his chart.

And the most fascinating thing about it is probably, how similiar it is to mine, especially in terms of house-rulerships and houseplacement.

Both of us have Sun, Mercury and Venus in 1st house; Mars in 12th house; Moon in an earth house (his in 10th, mine in 2nd).
Ruler of 3rd house in 1st house; Ruler of 4th house in 12th house, ruler of 5th house in 1st house, ruler of 6th house in 1st house, ruler of 7th house in 1st house, ruler of 9th house in 1st house, ruler of 10th house in 1st house and it never gets boring to look at "my" chart. LOL

posted August 07, 2008 09:08 AM         

I did my synastry again with Mike, now that l def know my birth time and interestingly all my stellium of moon/venus/saturn/nn etc is in his 6th H! No wonder l was the one making all the effort! His venus was in my 6th too.

posted August 07, 2008 09:16 AM         

Funny, I went there for a moment and looked actually at Jude and my synastry; we share some of the personal aspects:

his Sun conjunct my Venus
his Moon sextile my Sun
his Venus conjunct my NN
his ASC conjunct my Mars
his AC conjunct my NN
his Amor conjunct my Psyche
his Eros trine my Eros
his Eros trine my Vertex
his Vertex conjunct my Eros
his Vertex conjunct my VErtex

(there are also some with MC and Mercury, but I didnīt include them here).

And with signdispositors (I will only list conjunctions, because otherwise it gets too much):

his Moon conjuncts my MoonR
his Moon conjuncts my PsycheR
my Mars conjuncts his ErosR
his SN exactly conjuncts my old MOonR
his SN exactly conjuncts my Venusruler
his SN exactly conjuncts my old PsycheR
his SN exactly conjuncts my Antivertex R
my SN conjuncts his SunR (5)
my NN conjuncts his MoonR
my SN conjuncts his NNR
my SN conjuncts his Amor R
my SN conjuncts his AntivertexR
his AC conjuncts my IC-R
my AC conjuncts his ErosR
my Amor conjuncts his ERosR
my Amor conjunct his old Psyche R

ROFL
Can you say: NODAL?

Interesting his Venus is conjunct my Neptune and NN in Sagittarius, but at the same time it is also SQUARE the ruler of my Sun, Mercury, Mars, NN and ASC.

There`s also an interesting DW on Venus-Mars:
his Venus squares my MarsR (2)
my Venus squares his MarsR (2)

posted August 07, 2008 09:38 AM         

Furthermore, i wondered if when an outer planet is the sun sign ruler, we would look for the midpoint betwee the sun and the outer planet as "the" point. Example, Cap sun ruler is Saturn; so look for the Sun/Saturn midpoint and any aspect to it. We would do this for all personal planets whose ruler is an outer.

What do you think about that? Also, what do you think about the decans?

posted August 07, 2008 09:45 AM         

this guys sun/moon midpoint is 18' aries which is exact conjunct my saturn ruler and NN ruler, conjunct (1) my moon ruler and conjunct (3) my venus... (his sun and moon are also conjunct all of these things as his sun is 17' aries and moon is 19' aries!)

posted August 07, 2008 10:06 AM         

I think the rulers are equal in strength to their planets.

So, if you think the Sun is stronger than all the rest in the chart, I think the Sun-ruler is stronger, too.

Personally I think the ruler of Sun, Moon and ASC will be the strongest. But for romance the Venus and her ruler may be important, too.

In my case, Venus is ruled by Saturn, which happens to be retograde in Cancer in 8th house with only a quinkunx to Moon and a trine to Jupiter. *Sighs* And Venus isn`t so splendid aspected herself (she enjoys her square to Pluto).

Needless to say, romance is not an easy area for me.

To be honest I`m not so convinced of your theory with the midpoint. Why should we do this? What is the reason?
I mean, I can see why we look a the rulers for signs, because signs and planets have such a tight connection to each other, but why the midpoint?

Regarding Decans I think they have their use, but since they are always part of a grand trine, they won`t bring anything really new.

posted August 07, 2008 10:31 AM         

I don't study many synastry charts like you guys do, just myself and those whom I know personally as sort of an outside looking in point of view. I don't think I know enough yet to look at the synastry between people whom I do not know personally.

posted August 07, 2008 11:08 AM         

From Kim Falconer's site:

quote:

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Dwadashamshas, the Hindu word for division of twelve, is another division of the signs. In use long before fractal geometry became popular, (which, like occult teaching, tells us that within the division of each part is mirrored the whole), this technique divides each sign into twelve equal parts of 2.5 degrees. Those unfamiliar with this method may be startled, yet considering current theories in quantum physics and self-similar geometry, it makes perfect sense to find each of the twelve separate signs reflecting the entire zodiac within them.

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posted August 07, 2008 12:04 PM         

Is this right then?

His dwad NN = my dwad vertex
his dwad NN = my dwad venus
His dwad moon = my dwad moon
His dwad moon = my dwad NN
His dwad venus = my dwad sun
His dwad vertex = my dwad Pluto

if other aspects than conjunct are possible then
his DWAD moon trine my dwad sun/moon/NN
his dwad venus trine my dwad moon/NN
his dwad venus sextile my dwad pluto
his dwad pluto trine my dwad venus/vertex
his dwad vertex opposes my dwad moon/NN

posted August 07, 2008 12:49 PM         

you can even erect a Dwad Chart!

Example:
My Venus is on 06°07 Capricorn.
So my Venus falls into Pisces-Dwad.
Pisces Dwad is from 05°00 - 07°30.
So my Venus is actually 1°07 or 67 minutes from the beginning of the Pisces-Dwad.
NOw if I divide those 67 minutes through 5, I will get the exact degree of my Venus in the Dwads.

67: 5 is about 13° Pisces. So my Dwad Venus is on 13° Pisces (conjunct my natal chartruler btw. lol).

Now you can compare your Dwad-placements to the natal or Dwads of another person.

I read on a site that the Dwads could also point to soulmates of ours, but what I definitely think is that they add a subtle layer of our usual planetary positions, and that they figure strongly in synastries.

Example:
STuart Townsend and Charlize Theron:
NOt only is his natal Venus opposite her natal Mars, but his Dwad Venus is also opposite her Dwad Mars (that happens, if an aspect is really really exact like about 15 minutes or orb or so).

GG,

yes, I`m rather satisfied with the rulerships. But I still don`t know if I should include the generational rulers or not. IN my personal case a Scorpio overtone to my Moon resonates with me more than a CAncerian, but maybe I just don`t see myself right.

What I see very clearly is that even though I have no personal water planets, I have the ruler of EVERY personal planet or point (without MC) in Water.
I wonder how to interprete that, my Fire-emphasis with an underlying Water-theme.
It`s not like you have strong Fire and Water in your personal planets like 2 planets in water, 3 in fire - that would be a clash, passions are rising high, something boils and explodes (if you mix Fire and Water).

In my case the Fire itself has water in it, so maybe it means, that my fire is a bit WATERY? LIke in more withdrawn, not so straightforward?

posted August 07, 2008 01:25 PM         

We also have some personal aspects like:

his Sun conjunct my Sun
his Moon conjunct my Sun
his Venus widely conjunct my Antivertex (5)
his Mars widely trine my Venus (5)
his Mars square my AC
his AC square my Sun
his AC tgrine my Eros
his AC trine my VErtex
his IC oppoiste my Sun
his NN trine my Venus
his Venus antiscia my Mars
his AC antiscia my IC

And with the dispositors:

his Sun conjunct my DC ruler
his MOon conjunct my DC ruler
my Mars conjunct his Mars-Ruler
my Mars conjunct his DC-ruler
my Mars conjunct his VErtexruler
my Mars conjunct his NN-ruler
my AC conjunct his Mars-ruler
my AC conjunct his DC-ruler
my AC conjunct his IC-ruler
my AC conjunct his vErtexruler
my AC conjunct his NNR
his IC opposite my DC-ruler
his IC opposite my SNruler
my NN conjunct his Marsruler
my NN conjunct his DCruler
my NN conjunct his ICruler
my NN conjunct his NN ruler
his Amor opposite my Amor Ruler
his Amor opopsite my Sunruler
his Amor opposite my ACruler
his Amor opposite my NNruler
his Eros conjunct my Sunruler
his Eros conjunct my Mars ruler
his Eros conjunct my ACruler
his eros conjunct my NNruler

and rulers to each other:

his Sun Ruler opposite my:
Sunruler, Marsruler, AC-ruler, NNruler, Amorruler

my Sunruler opposite his:
MoonR, ACruler, Antivertexruler, SNruler, ErosRuler

his Moon Ruler opposite my
Marsruler, ACruler, NNruler and Amorruler

his Marsruler conjunct my ICruler

my Marsruler opposite his
AC-ruler, Antivertex ruler, SNruler, Erosruler

his ACruler conjunct my DSCruler and SNruler

my ACruler (old) oppoiste my ACruler, NNruler and Amorruler

my ACruler opposite his Antivertexruler, SNruler and ERosruler

his DCruler ocnjunct my IC-ruler
my DCruler conjunct his Antivertexruler, SNruler and Erosruler

his ICruler conjunct my ICruler

my ICruler ocnjunct his Vertexruler, NNruler and Amorruler

his Antivertexruler conjunct my SNruler
his Antivertexruler opposite my NNruler and Amorruler

my NNruler oposite his SNruler and ERosruler

his SNRuler conjunct my SNruler

his SNruler opposite my Amroruler

my SNRuler conjunct his Erosruler

my Amorruler opposite his Erosruler