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Topic: Venus in the 12th, and Venus opposite Saturn....lost cause?
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writesomething Knowflake Posts: 2396 From: meet me in montauk Registered: May 2006
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posted August 10, 2008 11:36 AM
I consider this person a lost cause when it comes to love.. I just dont know.IP: Logged |
blue moon Moderator Posts: 4753 From: U.K Registered: Dec 2007
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posted August 10, 2008 11:44 AM
Not necessarily. My brother has Venus Conjunct Saturn in the 12th. In Taurus. Girls at school used to go silly over him, he is quite good-looking I suppose. But silly isn't really his thing. As far as I know he's had 3 girlfriends including the current one whom he married quite a long time ago. They have 3 kids. I assume they are happy enough, they seem it. Of course he wouldn't tell me, both those planets are Square the Moon so generally you have to work these things out for yourself, it won't get gushed out. The 12th house isn't all bad. Venus here can be idealistic, and a soft side shown only to a few. That's not necessarily bad, certainly not if you are one of the few. It could also indicate someone who is prepared to wait years for the right person, they would rather be alone than go for something that doesn't meet their standards. Maybe when you get down to it your friend might be happier alone than sacrifing their ideals/standards/whatever. Maybe.
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Belage Knowflake Posts: 699 From: Bay Area, California, USA Registered: Jan 2006
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posted August 10, 2008 01:20 PM
It's a really tough aspect to deal with.But there is no such thing as a lost cause, because there could be someone with aspects that somehow fit perfectly with this combo and it works for them as a couple. IP: Logged |
astroleolady Knowflake Posts: 443 From: In the ęther Registered: Mar 2006
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posted August 10, 2008 02:46 PM
As they say, timing is everything. Progressed Venus by house, sign and aspect plays a role as well. The progressed Venus could help bring about a new love and eventually a long-term relationship. Also, complimentary synastry with another person would help a natal Venus in 12 opposite Saturn placement. IP: Logged |
taurean_scorpion Knowflake Posts: 1465 From: santa monica, california Registered: May 2005
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posted August 10, 2008 05:23 PM
I really hope not. I'm too young to lose hope I suppose but there are many times when I feel this way. I have Venus in Gemini in the 12th, Opposite my Saturn in Capricorn in the 6th. My houses are opposed too as you can see, and my 12th house is ruled by Taurus. I've other 12th house placements.Having that aspect is tough because I feel my romantic relationships are doomed for failure and pretty much, they never turn out good... The flirting stages are always fun and exciting and then when it comes to committing to the relationship, either side doesn't want it and I'm always the one heart broken when I wasn't even the chaser in the beginning. I also have Venus Opposite Uranus. But what I really want is stability in my relationships w/ men... Taurus/Scorpio/Cancer IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 699 From: Bay Area, California, USA Registered: Jan 2006
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posted August 10, 2008 07:34 PM
taurean_scorpion, you have Venus opposite both Saturn and Uranus? IP: Logged |
meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 2027 From: Registered: Apr 2008
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posted August 10, 2008 07:45 PM
I have Venus opposite Saturn and Neptune.I find that i'm not attracted to males my own age. I seem to have an affinity for men in their mid to late thirties, and in their forties. I need someone serious, as i am a serious person. I'm often told that i am much older than my birth certificate suggests. I just turned 18 a few days ago, but i've been an adult for about 10 years now. I also agree with the statement that Blue Moon made earlier. I would rather be alone than be with someone i didn't love, or in a meaningless relationship. And when i am in love with someone, i am willing to stay steadfast in my stance and refuse other suitors. Even if that person and i are not together or are separated. A lost cause? Perhaps to some. But i'd rather be relentlessly devoted to someone than to have lovers pass through me like a breeze. I'd rather feel that strongly than feel something more manageable and flimsy. IP: Logged |
taurean_scorpion Knowflake Posts: 1465 From: santa monica, california Registered: May 2005
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posted August 11, 2008 02:21 AM
Belage, Yeah...I do. IP: Logged |
writesomething Knowflake Posts: 2396 From: meet me in montauk Registered: May 2006
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posted August 11, 2008 11:58 AM
i think theres a difference between the conj and opposition. IP: Logged |
amowls Knowflake Posts: 875 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted August 11, 2008 01:02 PM
Venus in the 12th can express itself like Venus in Pisces (which is exalted!). I wouldn't consider this person a lost cause at all. Of course, you'd have to compare synastry/composite aspects, which I think is much more telling.IP: Logged |
amowls Knowflake Posts: 875 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted August 11, 2008 01:05 PM
taurean_scorpion: I know exactly how you feel ( either side doesn't want it and I'm always the one heart broken when I wasn't even the chaser in the beginning ). I have similar placements (Venus in Pisces, Venus square Saturn/Uranus). Love is so depressing sometimes.IP: Logged |
stillatlarge Knowflake Posts: 610 From: TX. USA Registered: Apr 2007
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posted August 11, 2008 01:38 PM
Venus, Mars and true node in Cancer in the 12th. It IS hard.IP: Logged |
taurean_scorpion Knowflake Posts: 1465 From: santa monica, california Registered: May 2005
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posted August 11, 2008 04:50 PM
Once again, I had to end a relationship that wasn't satisfactory. <3 I empathise w/ you're guys' pain. IP: Logged |
bluegreyeyes Knowflake Posts: 186 From: New York, NY USA Registered: Mar 2007
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posted August 11, 2008 05:33 PM
I have venus in the 12. In aquarius.Does that mean that I'm a lost cause? ------------------ *Christina* Aquarius SUN Gemini MOON Aries ASC IP: Logged |
writesomething Knowflake Posts: 2396 From: meet me in montauk Registered: May 2006
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posted August 11, 2008 07:49 PM
blue~ youre not a lost cause. its not even about his aspects.(although i want it to be) he just seems to hide his feelings...i dont know where i stand with him, and i dont think i ever will. for 4 years, i didnt have a clue he felt anything towards me, and one day, he shocked me by his intensity, our chemistry, his romantic overtures, and overwhelming compliments....and then it all disappeared and he went away to hide...yeah I dont get it, never will, and obviously he isnt that into me.IP: Logged |
Deliverance Knowflake Posts: 453 From: Bolloxville, Nutbush Registered: Mar 2005
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posted August 11, 2008 10:06 PM
Yes, its a lost cause - in my case anyway.I have Venus Aqu opposite Saturn Leo. Never been in a romantic realtionship - doubt that I will ever be. Ive come to terms with this. It used to upset me when I was a teenager, but its now somthing Ive accepted. Besides, romantic love seems like an alien concept - someones trying to intude in my life or change the way I operate. People seem to become distracted, weak & insipid when they "find the one". I get very irritated when men try & flirt with me. It turns my stomach. Saturn opposite Venus is the aspect of a spinster. IP: Logged |
aquaspryt69 Knowflake Posts: 1601 From: Arizona Registered: Feb 2004
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posted December 07, 2008 11:52 AM
Found this thread while looking for another and had to let you all know it's not all as bad as it may seem. Wait til you hit about 40 and see what happens. Every thing I have read on this aspect suggests much better relationships later in life, and I am here to tell you it does! Just you wait and see.Venus conj Asc oppose Saturn retrograde; 1st & 7th houses! IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 2805 From: Sacramento,California,USA Registered: Jul 2006
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posted December 07, 2008 12:44 PM
I know somebody with Venus in Aquarius oppose Saturn in Leowell..she was married to one guy that she knew back in high school,and it didn't work out. she got involved with another guy that turned out to be a real jerk. She got involved with me, but it didn't work out because I couldn't trust her for rejecting me for that jerk. She came back to me after she realized how much of a jerk he was. She ended up getting involved with another man shortly after I broke up with her. They got married not even a year after they first met. She is very happy with him. I just knew that she wasn't for me,and I had to let her go because of my trust issues with her. I told her that she and I weren't right for each other when I broke up with her. It's hard to be with somebody if there is no trust no matter how strong the attraction is. Everything happens for a reason. when I let her go, she found love with another man,and now they are married. so I have no regrets about breaking up with her.
I was meant to break up with her so she can be with her future husband.
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aquaspryt69 Knowflake Posts: 1601 From: Arizona Registered: Feb 2004
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posted December 07, 2008 02:14 PM
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Girls at school used to go silly over him, he is quite good-looking I suppose. But silly isn't really his thing. As far as I know he's had 3 girlfriends including the current one whom he married quite a long time ago. The 12th house isn't all bad. Venus here can be idealistic, and a soft side shown only to a few. That's not necessarily bad, certainly not if you are one of the few. It could also indicate someone who is prepared to wait years for the right person, they would rather be alone than go for something that doesn't meet their standards. Maybe when you get down to it your friend might be happier alone than sacrifing their ideals/standards/whatever. Maybe.
I can't find a better way of describing Venus opposing Saturn. We are serious (saturn) lovers (venus). IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3353 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted December 07, 2008 02:21 PM
I have saturn conjunct venus in 12th. I am serious about love and relationships yet l hold onto my freedom too. quote: Venus in the 12th can express itself like Venus in Pisces
Interesting Amowls! SO does this mean that a partner with mars in Pisces would be good synastrically? IP: Logged |
Deliverance Knowflake Posts: 453 From: Bolloxville, Nutbush Registered: Mar 2005
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posted December 07, 2008 02:48 PM
quote: Found this thread while looking for another and had to let you all know it's not all as bad as it may seem. Wait til you hit about 40 and see what happens. Every thing I have read on this aspect suggests much better relationships later in life, and I am here to tell you it does! Just you wait and see.Venus conj Asc oppose Saturn retrograde; 1st & 7th houses!
Ive read that Venus/Saturn finds love just after their Saturn return. Mine was 2 years ago I think its highly unlikely that I will fall in love. IMO Saturn opposite Venus is about being selective in who you relate to & having discernment on who you allow into your life as opposed to "falling in love" with every Tom, Dick & Harry. Perhaps you're right about finding love later in life (40+), as I cant envisage being with anyone...however pr Sun conjuncts my Venus in 2020, I'll be in my mid-forties. Hmm
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Lara Knowflake Posts: 3353 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted December 07, 2008 02:50 PM
hmmm l found love just after my saturn return but it was karmic love... l am now 40 and i'm starting to value myself enough t see true unconditional love when it comes IP: Logged |
Deliverance Knowflake Posts: 453 From: Bolloxville, Nutbush Registered: Mar 2005
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posted December 07, 2008 02:56 PM
quote: starting to value myself enough t see true unconditional love when it comes
Me too! I love my friends & family unconditionally. IP: Logged |
Mama Mia Knowflake Posts: 2838 From: Registered: Jun 2005
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posted December 07, 2008 04:53 PM
hmmm l found love just after my saturn return but it was karmic love... l am now 40 and i'm starting to value myself enough t see true unconditional love when it comes" I think that having Venus in the 12th house which I do as well in Aqua, has something to do with that above statement..Also once trSaturn hit my 7th house, I have been nothing nice..Its a good thing..Saturn is not the enemy its awsome once it goes on its way..Assuming that you have gotten the lesson..
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