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Topic: Dislike at first sight?
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bvanzy Knowflake Posts: 379 From: Registered: Jul 2007
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posted August 12, 2008 09:18 PM
What would cause this? I'm assuming it would be ascendant aspects of some kind, but which ones? Or which other things would cause instant dislike?Quincunxes to someone's ascendant from one's own Saturn perhaps (as long as Saturn isn't one of your important or people-orientated chart rulers)? What do people think? IP: Logged |
lovegoblin Knowflake Posts: 608 From: norfolk, virginia USA Registered: May 2006
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posted August 12, 2008 10:05 PM
This is a good question-i don't know.Maybe harsh aspects from pluto to your ascendant might cause the ascendant person to be uncomfortable-but i don't know if that would actually constitute "dislike" of someone. IP: Logged |
writesomething Knowflake Posts: 2376 From: meet me in montauk Registered: May 2006
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posted August 12, 2008 10:05 PM
i instantly thought pluto.IP: Logged |
bvanzy Knowflake Posts: 379 From: Registered: Jul 2007
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posted August 12, 2008 11:04 PM
It would be interesting to add in Pluto to the equation for disgust or extreme reactions. Although I wonder if negative aspects from either Saturn or Pluto to someone's ascendant would be enough to produce a personal dislike, instead of a more general low-level unpopularity of the ascendant person within the age group who has Saturn or Pluto squaring their ascendant. IP: Logged |
LadyNeptune Knowflake Posts: 419 From: Registered: Dec 2007
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posted August 12, 2008 11:27 PM
I've noticed the people I had this with always put planets in my 12th house. I don't know if it's jut me or if I'm onto something, though.IP: Logged |
vesta-sister Knowflake Posts: 215 From: colorado Registered: Sep 2007
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posted August 12, 2008 11:31 PM
don't know if this will help! I have venus conjunct ascendant and it is trine the node and pluto in 5th of someone else. I don't think of this person as very attractive on the outside but when looking past that see the beauty inside. so, maybe the houses do have something to do with it. you may be on to something LadyNep! IP: Logged |
Got Gemini? Knowflake Posts: 1037 From: Mercury Registered: Jul 2007
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posted August 12, 2008 11:37 PM
Squares, squares, and more squares! I think it's probably a coMbination of Sun square Sun, Moon square Moon, Mercury square or quincunx Mercury, Sun square Mars, and Saturn square any personal planet or point.I usually get this reaction with Virgos (although less and less lately), Aries, and some Scorpios. Even though Virgo is a hard sign for me to get along with, I have been getting along with them excellently lately.
------------------ Virgo Asc & Mars Gemini Sun Libra Moon (conjunct Pluto 0š in 2nd house) Gemini Mercury Cancer Venus And yes, i'm a guy! IP: Logged |
Arnicka Knowflake Posts: 1146 From: Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 13, 2008 01:25 AM
everytime I've had this [if i get my hands on their birth info] i notice mercury sq. mars. this could be a trigger pt for me or maybe more people experience it as well..?IP: Logged |
Dani California Knowflake Posts: 312 From: UK Registered: Apr 2007
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posted August 13, 2008 10:40 AM
GotGem - yep, I get the same thing, I usually find out they are virgo, god, they get on my nerves. Although less so lately for some reason. Weird Like you say, probably all those sqaures. IP: Logged |
LadyNeptune Knowflake Posts: 419 From: Registered: Dec 2007
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posted August 13, 2008 07:13 PM
Vesta,Maybe.... we'll have to see what other people say. I also think that it probably varies as to what points will be activated in a chart to set each person off. I have an emphasized 12th house, so any person's points touching that will be a sensitive area for me. IP: Logged |
Got Gemini? Knowflake Posts: 1037 From: Mercury Registered: Jul 2007
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posted August 13, 2008 09:12 PM
Lady Neptune, that's probably true for a lot of people too. It also makes sense for me since I have Sun and Mercury (my chart and sun ruler) in the 10th so I'm extra sensitive to the squares to my 10th house.------------------ Virgo Asc & Mars Gemini Sun Libra Moon (conjunct Pluto 0š in 2nd house) Gemini Mercury Cancer Venus And yes, i'm a guy! IP: Logged |
winky_winky Knowflake Posts: 574 From: SPAIN Registered: Oct 2007
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posted August 14, 2008 09:47 AM
virgos are ok for me, i get along almost with any sun sign but dont seem to meet many aquarius, dunno really...i believe squares to saturn or pluto could make u dislike someone on the l-term, whereas lots of venus contacts do the opposite,obviously soft planets on ur 7th are also good for liking... harsh ascendant aspects i also think could make u dislike sbody... IP: Logged |
bvanzy Knowflake Posts: 379 From: Registered: Jul 2007
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posted August 16, 2008 06:52 PM
Very interesting answers. Squares definitely play their part. So far:Pluto squares to the Ascendant. Saturn squares to the Ascendant and/or any other personal planet or point. Mercury/Mercury and Mercury/Mars squares and oppositions. Squares between Suns or Moons. And too many planets falling in the 12th house. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted August 16, 2008 07:36 PM
Iīve known someone whose Pluto was exactly square my ASC (and NN, Neptune and Mars) and whose Moon squared my Moon within 2°. My Saturn squares his Sun exactly. His Mars squared my Mercury loosely.But I certainly didn`t feel any kind of dislike for him. Quite the opposite. I rather think that it shows in the natals, what or whom you may dislike. And probably it will be the people, who are very different from you, without being complimentary opposite.
Example: Someone with high Leo-emphasis would probably dislike someone with too much Capricorn-emphasis (UI`m not talking about Sunsigns- here). Or in my case, I have a strong emphasis on Sagittarius; Moon in Aquarius, DSC in Gemini and only Venus in Taurus. The one sign I really don`t like and can`t get along with is Cancer and to a certain degree Taurus (even though if the Taurus-planets are in trine with my Venus, the picture changes a bit). Scorpio falls into my 12th house, but I donīt have problems with SCorpios. I find them intriguing, fascinating, sometimes hard to grasp and understand, but nevertheless very interesting. But I have Venus square Pluto, Pluto on MC and sextile ASC and Mars, so I guess I am a little bit in tune with the Scorpio energy. It is really the Cancer-energy, that is lacking in my chart. Only Saturn in Cancer, no planets in 4th house, Moon is in Aquarius and unaspected. The only Cancers I can get along with are those who have some other planetary influences like planets in Gemini, Leo, Virgo or Libra (Virgo is not that bad for me, since my chartruler Jupiter is in Pisces and needs that complimentary Virgo-energy, and my Capricorn-Venus likes Virgo-placements, too, if there are some fire- or air-signs emphasised at the same time)
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venusmars Knowflake Posts: 287 From: Registered: May 2008
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posted August 16, 2008 07:51 PM
Actually this happened only twice to me. I really don't want to think negative without knowing someone but these 2 guys,we have sun sq mars and mars squ mars with both.. I remember my first reaction for both of them, it was the same;they disturbed me with their presence..I dated with one of them though lol..It was a bad relationship.when ended,I said to myself "generally the first impression is always right,don't forget what you feel when you first met" IP: Logged |
23 Knowflake Posts: 4497 From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain Registered: Aug 2006
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posted August 16, 2008 08:05 PM
Bvanzy's summary seems relatively accurate. I think though it is a myriad of things that may lead to instant dislike. I think it depends on your age, gender, relationship status, relationships in the community etc. I think the word "dislike" varies, does it mean "uncomfortable", "revolting", "angry", "disturbed", "perplexed"?One example of me disliking someone is: Her moon was roughly conj my sun but my sun is opp saturn and squ ura. I really had no time for her. Also her saturn-mars square was aspected to my mars such that her saturn was at the apex. It was a constant battle of wills. To say that she p*ssed me off is an understatement - her saturn squ my mars. I was furious with her all the time. One example of someone disliking me was the bully at a former workplace who took an instant dislike to me (you could see it in her eyes) and specifically chose me out to make my life hell. Never worked though. Why? My pluto squared her venus and trined her sun, I had the upper hand. Also my mars was conj her sun. Another guy that I found very disturbing and untrustworthy was a guy that had his moon in my 12th house. I also had it with him (double whammy). Not sure if he felt the same with me. I think 12th house placements can be highly unnerving, given the wrong planets such as the moon. However, I have many friends with their sun in my 12th and also I imagine venus or jup in another's 12th might be quite pleasant. Another example: bad aspect that has minimal effect. I have a platonic male friend who's mars is conj my saturn. Occasionally I feel frustrated with him but really the effects blow over quite quickly. We have many other aspects in the chart that make us compatible and it compensates for things like this. Another relative has her moon squ my sun and she can annoy me terribly but her sun is conj my moon so its overcome. I think also important is the aspects to the chart ruler. Anyone who has a bad aspect to mine (mars) might not get a very pleasant response to me. IP: Logged |
bvanzy Knowflake Posts: 379 From: Registered: Jul 2007
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posted August 16, 2008 08:39 PM
quote: I've known someone whose Pluto was exactly square my ASC (and NN, Neptune and Mars) and whose Moon squared my Moon within 2°. My Saturn squares his Sun exactly. His Mars squared my Mercury loosely. But I certainly didn`t feel any kind of dislike for him. Quite the opposite.
Well that blows the answers we've come up with so far out of the water! I guess I agree somewhat on what would make someone sort-of dislike or not feel any interest in another person, that level of disimilarity without being complementary or even excitingly different. However, really I was thinking of a gut reaction against someone. What would make someone take an instant dislike. Venus Mars: Ah, we've got an interesting one here - Mars square Sun and Mars square Mars producing a gut reaction immediately. 23: Did that bully have any aspects to your ascendant? Chart rulers too. So, whatever chart ruler someone has they really feel the bad aspects, ie.. someone with chart ruler Saturn or Pluto which squares or quincunxes someone else's ASC/Sun/Moon might take an instant dislike to that person if there are are supporting factors? But generally speaking it would be the other way around? IP: Logged |
23 Knowflake Posts: 4497 From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain Registered: Aug 2006
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posted August 16, 2008 08:48 PM
bvanzy - I don't know the bullys's birthtime exactly but what I can gather, she had pluto opp my asc (but everyone does pretty much of our age bracket, my pluto is opp my asc) and neptune trine my asc (which I have too in my natal chart and so everyone else would too with this aspect to me).As for your other question, I think the aspects would work both ways to some extent. For example with the bully her venus was squ my pluto and obviously I aroused an instant dislike which ended up me really hating her because she was so desperate to be utterly mean to me. With pluto/saturn as chart ruler maybe the recipient might initially supply the revulsion but then the pluto/saturn person might dislike them more. IP: Logged |
bvanzy Knowflake Posts: 379 From: Registered: Jul 2007
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posted August 16, 2008 08:54 PM
Yes. Similarly everyone my own age has Pluto square my Ascendant, and it's never created a problem that I'm aware of (I don't get everyone or even many people taking instant dislikes to me either!) So almost certainly it has to be a combination of aspects or natal 'issues' which can get triggered by someone. quote: I think the aspects would work both ways to some extent. For example with the bully her venus was squ my pluto and obviously I aroused an instant dislike which ended up me really hating her because she was so desperate to be utterly mean to me. With pluto/saturn as chart ruler maybe the recipient might initially supply the revulsion but then the pluto/saturn person might dislike them more.
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23 Knowflake Posts: 4497 From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain Registered: Aug 2006
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posted August 17, 2008 06:40 AM
bvanzy - it just occurred to me that the bully's venus is widely squaring my asc (6 deg). Maybe I was not to her taste. I think maybe it was a combination of my mars on her sun and the plutonic aspect. Looking closer at the degrees, folks of her generation would just missed a squ between their pluto and her venus. My pluto was a lot closer to her venus and in range for a square (4 deg) than those of her age. IP: Logged |
23 Knowflake Posts: 4497 From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain Registered: Aug 2006
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posted August 17, 2008 06:43 AM
But then again, the girl she was most desperate to befriend had her pluto in the same degree as mine. Hmmm. Oddly enough her friend and I got on rather well. Her venus is conj my mars. They got on well because her venus conj the bully's sun. And as you know, my mars conj bully's sun. So it must be the mars-sun connection. We are all female by the way. IP: Logged |
bvanzy Knowflake Posts: 379 From: Registered: Jul 2007
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posted August 17, 2008 06:56 AM
Well that's the thing isn't it - Pluto can go either way. So a square from one person's Pluto to Venus depending on other aspects could intensify hate or the opposite.And I do think ASC aspects must play a role too. I also wonder if Magi's lust/hate clash - Mars in negative aspect to Chiron - could be modified to just hate under similar circumstances. Mars/Sun at loggerheads is good, but I wouldn't have thought the conjunction was as fierce, however maybe the sign has something to do with it. A libra or Cancerian may despise having Mars anywhere near their Sun for example. IP: Logged |
23 Knowflake Posts: 4497 From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain Registered: Aug 2006
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posted August 17, 2008 07:13 AM
My mars is in gem, I'd say the conj would be fierce in our case as we are both (straight) females, so any sexual attraction that would be derived from this aspect in sexual relations might just get converted to competition here. As for chiron, her chiron widely squ my sun (5 deg) but there is not aspect between my mars and her chiron. Her mars however is trine my chiron. She's the "transits". Oddly her merc is on my SN and in tau (mine is in aqu) and her ura is 3 deg off my VX.
Btw I hope she rots in hell. She's upset so many people, not only me and apparently is still raising hell. EDIT - she did say out loud to a friend of hers in my presence that I was "perfect". Maybe this is the square in action. Somehow, she must have had some level of admiration for me to say that, wouldn't you think? (very strange behaviour/comment nonetheless) IP: Logged |
bvanzy Knowflake Posts: 379 From: Registered: Jul 2007
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posted August 17, 2008 07:49 AM
Apart from the aspects we've mentioned already, using the solstice points that darkdreamer has recently been educating us all on, your Chiron opposes her solstice Moon, you Sunruler Uranus opposes her solstice Mars and opposes her solstice Saturn.I do think that if solstice points are aspects in which something is hidden or subconscious, then they might play a role in creating instant or inexplicable dislike. This is a generalisation but, I notice she has a Mars/Saturn conjunction - which is something I rightly or wrongly associate with potential for cruelty, and since she's a double Gemini that might come in the form of words and sarcasm and general bitchiness.
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darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted August 17, 2008 07:58 AM
WEll, looking at the chart it appears that you really don`t get along astrologically, especially if oyu look at the female planets.Your Moon in libra and Venus in Sagittarius. Her Moon in Pisces and Venus in Cancer. Quinkunx signs just don`t get each other and mostly are suspicious of each other, unless there is a close aspect,w hich could makes some sort of connection. Her Mercury in Taurus doesn`T fit to any of your planets. (I am talking about the personal ones here).
Your Mercury / Sun would get along with her Sun, but does not get along with her Moon, Mercury or Venus. There are also pretty many differences in planetary aspects.
Example: Mercury: Your Mercury is in Aquarius conjunct Sun and square Uranus. Her Mercury is in Taurus square Mars and Saturn (and opposite Uranus). On your side we have Sun-Uranus colouring your Mercury, on her side we have Venus (Taurus), Mars, SAturn, Uranus colouring her Mercury. Especially the fact that your Mercury is in Aquarius aspecting Suna nd Uranus must have been a challenge to her Taurus-Mercury, aspecting Saturn. Saturn - Uranus donīt really go very well together. And they really donīt like each other. Also let`s have a look at Mars (as Mars can also show how you do your work and how you generally act and assert yourself):
You having Mars in Gemini opposing Neptune. Her having Mars in Leo conjunct Saturn and square Mercury. Here a Mars in aspect with Neptune - there a Mars aspecting Saturn. Saturn and Neptune are also not the best mix there can be. BTW sometimes if we have an "enemy" it also is a karmic relationship, so it would make sense to look at the Draco`s, too.
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