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posted August 14, 2008 11:54 PM         

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I know this is completely self-absorbed but I could really do with some encouragement right about now. Pluto is retrograding over my ascendant (exactly conjunct right now) and I'm very stressed out. I'm trying my best to stay positive and get through it but this is a really trying time at the moment. I'm hoping it won't be this bad the whole time until Pluto finally goes direct again, in what, November???

PS: I know, I know - we aren't victims of transits. But I do believe that a transit indicates the psychological forces within us at that time... so look at this way, I'm struggling with my own internal transits so what do I do to get over it?

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posted August 15, 2008 12:01 AM         

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I dont know about you, but Pluto transit the first house sounds great for become more comfortable with one's own power/control, also changing for the better. I think pluto forces changes that are needed, but also makes it easier to get done. I would think Pluto transit 12th was much worse psychologically...can't wait..lol

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posted August 15, 2008 12:06 AM         

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the way i see the transits is that they offer a chance to grow. i've had strong pluto and saturn transits for the past three years and it's been one massive ride. at first i tiresomely denied them and fought everything. then instead of resisting them, i made the decision to flow with them and suddenly everything became easier. perceiving that they are working for you rather than against you really makes a difference.

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posted August 15, 2008 12:12 AM         

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peace~ flow with it....good wording there..I did the same thing once Saturn went into Virgo...I try to resist, but it made it worse...so now I just flow.....

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posted August 15, 2008 12:21 AM         

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Thank you! See, that's the trouble - I know that I need to flow with things, and I was doing ok (or so I thought) when Pluto first transited my ascendant and went into the first house. I even felt relatively ok when the retrograde started. But now that the retrograde is exactly conjunct my ascendant again, unexplainably I feel worse than ever before. I really want positive changes. I want to release the things that are affecting me for the worse, and I want to own my personal power. But it's not happening and all I'm feeling is stress. I've been trying to meditate and tell myself to let go of all the things that are stressing me out, and I admit it's not as awful as the last few degrees of Pluto transiting my 12th house but... I really have trouble with the letting go and flowing right now, and it's the time when I need to do it the most!

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posted August 15, 2008 12:26 AM         

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Oh and this is old news, Geocosmic pointed it out and made me aware of it some time ago, but it's rearing its head again - the fact that Pluto is of course also opposing my descendant, in my case, indicates that a lot of my psychological pressure is coming from my relationships. Right now it's a case of my significant other stressing me out the most. So one thing I should probably do is try to release myself from the effect he's having on me - but I really struggle with getting myself into the right frame of mind to *not* be affected by him. I've been taking more time for myself and not being around him so much (and told him why as well). And it's a combination of little things more than anything big and drastic, but it's just hard to release myself from the mindsest of being affected by his words/actions (even if they are relatively minor). I also have work stress and tiredness lately, if that sheds a bit more light on how I'm feeling.

The latest little thing is that he just got home and told me he got a job where the hours are 11pm to 6am. Firstly I don't like the people he will be working with (one of them insulted me on my birthday), and secondly I was sad because the hours mean that he'll be at work when I'm asleep and then I'll be out during the day and also at work when he's asleep and our schedules won't flow together anymore. But, rather than let this stress me out too much, I'm not saying anything about the person I don't like (I admit I'm jealous that he would be spending more time with this insulting b*tch that he will be spending with me)... whatever... and I guess if he really wants this job and our schedules don't work together anymore then so be it. I suppose the best thing is to find the bright side in it. I think that's the best thing for my overall sanity.

So I guess the bright side is: More time to myself. The fact he will hopefully be bringing in more money. An employed boyfriend is better than a depressed unemployed boyfriend. He's probably going to get sick of those working hours and find something better in the end. And it's his life anyway. Yeah??

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posted August 15, 2008 12:41 AM         

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i hear you. the way i see it is that it's happening whether you like it or not so it's easier to make peace with it. part of it is anticipating that it's going to be bad - which it sounds like maybe you're experiencing/thinking. the truth is that pluto and all the other planets are transiting all the time and touching something in our chart all the time whether we are aware of it or not - so it's constant. remembering that you've weathered worse and are still standing helps keep things in positive perspective. you've dealt with far worse than this and survived, sweetie. so believe in you and your ability to cope with this (and anything) - and also keep in mind that it's temporary and will pass. it's easy to get bogged down in the moment of it - but its just a transit so it will pass.

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posted August 15, 2008 01:37 AM         

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That sux.

This too shall pass.

Seriously.

Just experience it fully and throw yourself into the fire. Communicate with your love. Prepare him to listen first by letting him know that it's going to get ugly but you aren't blaming him and you will ultimately feel better if he just hears you out completely and let's you be vulnerable.

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That just sort of came out. Hope it was the right thing to say.

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posted August 15, 2008 02:16 AM         

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Thanks PA and MM... much appreciated. It may be that getting a little bit more space, which is what will happen when he starts this job, could be a good thing for me. He said it's rostered - so it's not every night, which seems better. But then his sleep cycles are going to be all messed up so I don't think he'll be able to keep regular hours on the days when he doesn't have work anyway. I don't know. Anyway maybe it'll be an opportunity for me to get some breathing space. I had an argument/mini power-struggle with him this afternoon about something else altogether, so... hmm.

Still, it now means I'll be sleeping alone. And when he's at work on a Friday night and they get a meal break, he'll be having his at one of the nearby bars with the b*tch who insulted me... while I'm sleeping at home by myself.

Oh. And maybe I should also mention that the recent eclipse was conjunct my sun-moon midpoint.

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posted August 15, 2008 05:17 AM         

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lol - tell me about it - that recent eclipse was square my saturn.

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posted August 15, 2008 05:38 AM         

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Ouch, PA... that sounds painful. Which house?

Sigh... he's happy at the moment that he got a job, so I refuse to ruin it for him (and end up being accused of being negative). So I'll have to try to get to grips with it, and hope that he'll see it's not really a relationship-friendly arrangement. At the least, eventually I would think he won't like it that he'll end up needing to sleep during the day. I know I sound (and I actually feel) really clingy about this (I think this is Saturn in Cancer in 7th rearing it's head in a way I haven't really felt before)... but it just seems like it will make for such a distant relationship. I wish I could stop the internal struggling about it when logically I know that if I step back and say nothing, he will simply get sick of working those hours.

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posted August 15, 2008 05:55 AM         

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2nd house! yep - ouch! ah, what do you do - just roll with it.

in regards to boyfriend. my husband works night shift so i totally understand it. when he's going to work, the kids are coming home from school. so it's worse for them because they never see their dad. i can only speak from my perspective about our situation. but i have found that he's happier when he's bringing in money (it took months to find work when we moved to our town) and night shift brings a higher rate of pay - so he feels that he's worth more and also contributing more which makes him feel better. it's hard because he's tired all the time - but it's better in the sense that he feels personally useful because he's working and doing the manly thing of supplying and providing for his family. it's a psychological thing for them, i think - it's really important to them. that whole caveman thing of making the kill and feeding the mob.

sometimes things seem threatening simply because it's just change itself - it's easy to fear what you don't know because it plays on your mind - all the things that it can affect - especially the relationship. i try to see change as it's nothing better or worse - just different.

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posted August 15, 2008 06:13 AM         

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That's a good approach. And true, I've never experienced this exact thing before and I often feel initially threatened by new things. It's not like we've never slept apart before (I go out of town, he goes out of town, no problem) but usually it just feels like a holiday. And I suppose this will impact our day to day life more than anything we've done before (individually). You're right though about how it makes them feel better - it's taken him a long time to find a job so at the least this is a good boost for him. I'm just worried about growing apart though, we've always had a good time together having lunch out and coffee every day, going to bed to watch favourite TV shows, morning coffee in bed, etc... It sounds like you and your husband are making it work as best as possible though?

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posted August 15, 2008 06:17 AM         

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yeah - that's the thing - you just make the most of it. and also, it makes the time that you do have together extra special and gives it more value. so, there's always an upside.

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posted August 15, 2008 06:33 AM         

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GL,

I know exactly how you feel. I tried very hard to just roll with transiting Pluto squaring my Chiron, then Sun, then Saturn, and now it's back to squaring my Sun.

When it was 2 degrees and applying, my life was in upheaval. I had no control over the circumstances that were happening TO me.

That's a bad feeling when you can't do a thing to make things "better."

The thing I've realized is that the pain is part of it all. After it's all said and done, and Pluto moves on, you'll be able to say that the changes were good and necessary, but going through them sucked.

When Pluto went retro, a friend of mine went missing for a week. He came back and some truths were uncovered that I didn't want to know, but it was good that I did find out. Now he's a happier and more relaxed person and it effects the work we're doing together in a positive way.

It's kind of like a weeding out of the things that look good (some weeds are beautiful, right?) and so we think we want them to stay that way in our lives. After the weeds are pulled and we grow stronger as a result, we can THEN see that it was needed. Now we have a better view since the weeds were blocking us from seeing some things.

One thing I'll say is that Pluto is NOT a gentle gardner. Nothing is slowly or painlessly done. My guess is that with Pluto opposing your DC, if there's anything that needs some fixin/aka weeding that will help your relationship or you grow, it's happening now. Think of it as an unsolved mystery.

Once those weeds are gone, it will be much better!

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posted August 15, 2008 09:22 AM         

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The problems that come with Pluto transits happen because the individual refuses/doesn't want to "let go" and let Pluto do it's job. That's when things become difficult. You have to "let go." Go with the flow.

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posted August 15, 2008 06:43 PM         

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It's kind of like a weeding out of the things that look good (some weeds are beautiful, right?) and so we think we want them to stay that way in our lives. After the weeds are pulled and we grow stronger as a result, we can THEN see that it was needed. Now we have a better view since the weeds were blocking us from seeing some things.

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Wow 8th, I think that's a perfect analogy and a really helpful one too. I'm going to try to remember this - I think what I'm needing is more than just reminders, but actual reasons to help me with "go with the flow". Because although I know that's what I need to do, part of me still says "it's my life and I'm taking control of it". And it's not just relationship issues, but *everything* - work, health, finances, etc.

So, for example in the work situation. I'm very stressed and feeling incredibly pressurised. I know for my own good that I need a break. But I'm unable to do so for various reasons - so from one person I get pressurised to not take a break, yet from another person there are reasons why I'm pressured TO take a break. So I can't win. I came up with a compromise to both of them which doesn't really suit me to be honest, but it seems like that's the way it has to be. So just flow with the compromise?

Health. I had a bad flare-up of something that I thought was getting better. But it seems like the flare-up could be another part of the process of getting rid of the weeds... doesn't help that one of the weeds is that I'm pressurised at work and my body is sending me a message about the stress... catch 22...

Thanks for all the encouragement and advice everyone! It seems to be all about finding ways to get with the mindset that I KNOW I need to have but which seems so difficult to achieve.

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posted August 15, 2008 07:17 PM         

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Ok wow! This was amazing to me.

I was making my morning coffee and wondering to myself how to deal with all these pressures. When out of the blue the song lyric appeared in my head (or in my 'mind's ear' so to speak): "ride it all out like you were a bird". Anyone who knows me well enough knows that the singer of these words, Marc Bolan, is incredibly special to me. So I immediately listened to the song ('Ride A White Swan') on YouTube and cried because the entire first verse was so fitting. I can do without wearing the tall hat etc as mentioned in the second verse, so I think the first verse is enough. I think I'll try to listen to this song more often. The words are encouraging and the music is so happy and carefree.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pldzo1Elz0

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posted August 16, 2008 12:21 AM         

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Ahhh i hate Pluto transits...they take me to hell and back on a crazy ride...it has been opposing my Sun since i was 13...way to hit puberty man way way...

11pm - 6 am...what the heck...you can still make your schedules flow because you will have weekends and thus you are not in each other's hair all the time...you guys need a bit of space...

GL you are focusing way too much on that ***** than she deserves...seriously...you have more time to yourself that way u can do what you enjoy without him and then when you come together you will have much to discuss.

This also doesn't sound like a permanent job...let him work a couple of months get into the working mood and get something else later...

plus more money = more time to travel and do fun things together..

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posted August 16, 2008 12:40 AM         

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Yeah, thanks BUD. All true. I'm accepting it now so whatever happens I suppose it'll be a good thing in the end.

I still think she's an a$$hole though for saying that I look... oh, at least ten years older than most people think I am.

Overall though that's just one part of what's happening in the entire transit. Yeah and Mr Gemini's sun is being opposed by Pluto too, so I guess it's happening to a lot of us in one way or another.

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posted August 16, 2008 03:38 AM         

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shes an insecure little biznatch who is jealous of your looks...that is all

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posted August 16, 2008 07:40 PM         

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Thanks. It's hard for me to let go of grudges sometimes until I've completely aired it out - gotten my thoughts/feelings out about it. So I think I'm on my way to releasing that one now. Maybe part of this transit is about realising this (ie the best way to release resentments etc, rather than not expressing them to simply say it and get it out so I can move on).

Also last night I found myself dealing with a major argument but I found that by not getting angry myself I had more power in the interaction. So that was interesting.

We are also having issues with one of our flatmates ignoring our opinions and being inconsiderate - maybe that's a 7th house issue for me as well because it's a 'relationship' of sorts (although a platonic one).

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posted August 16, 2008 08:13 PM         

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GL75 - good luck with the transit. I think there is some advice here, ie "just roll with it". I often personally don't look at transits myself because I don't really want to think myself into a dark place.

Unfortunately I can't give you any astroadvice as I haven't really had any negative pluto transits as an adult (many as a child though). I will be hitting a few heavies in about 10 years time.

But I'm watching closely. My partner, his brother and his gf are all Cap ACs and their asc will soon be aspecting pluto. I'm not sure as to my partner's birthtime but I suspect he is an early cap AC and his workload has already dramatically increased to the point that I might see him an hour or so a day. As was said, less time is quality time. Use that time that you have now for self development, eg take a few courses, do a bit of reading etc.

Sorry to hear about your bf's coworker. Really don't know what her problem is!! Maybe this is a 7th house opp pluto issue in itself, she might feel threatened by your transiting pluto. 7th house as you say is broader than just love relationships, it would be any form of one-on-one relaitonship, contracts etc.

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posted August 17, 2008 12:16 AM         

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Thanks 23! It sounds as though your partner is having the transit of Saturn through his 10th house. I happen to be having that transit as well and it's one of my sources of stress/pressure when combined with the Pluto-ASC transit (as my stress is also linked up with a workplace relationship that relates directly to the Saturn/10th workload). It is a very busy time with more responsibilities, so, speaking from my own experience of Saturn/10th, your partner will be needing time out to relax when he's not at work and maybe could appreciate your support if workload is getting stressful.

Yeah actually, interesting you mentioned about that girl feeling threatened by my Pluto transit. I also have Pluto square ASC natally, so I guess that means I'm also having a Pluto square Pluto transit. Last night we went to a birthday party and as always we just talk to different people, socialise away from each other most of the time - and a really weird thing happened. He was talking to this woman (no biggie as it was obvious he wasn't flirting or anything) and his daughter comes over to me and is like "that woman is talking to Dad!" lol I thought that was cool that she was being protective and warning me of a possible (perceived) threat. His daughter is 17 (18 tomorrow - she's a Leo ) and hasn't seen us out socialising before so I guess she thought previously that he and I probably always stick together and don't talk to members of the opposite sex. Anyway she went over to them and started butting in on the conversation on purpose, lol. Then someone hands me a birthday book to sign for the person who was having the party so I took it over to Mr Gemini so we could sign it together - and then the most hilarious thing was that when I went over, the woman introduced herself to me and then semi-guiltily started explaining to me what she and Mr Gemini were talking about. LOL I felt so powerful because she seemed really uncomfortable. I will add that Mr Gemini is very attractive to a lot of women, so no doubt she was interested - I saw another one obviously interested earlier, as well. As long as he isn't being inappropriate, I don't care if he's only talking to them. But it's just funny when I come over and the guilty "friendliness" comes out before they finally toodle off to talk to someone else. lol Pluto-ASC has it's good points after all.

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