posted August 19, 2008 04:46 AM         

I want to know how Saturn/Neptune falling this person's ASC affects him. I know it must be mis fortunate. This person has always had trouble with expressing their true personality.

Here are the midpoints. I didn't make this chart by the way.

& here is the chart just in case:

posted August 19, 2008 08:37 AM         

CafeAstrology has some info on midpoint pictures, as well.

posted August 19, 2008 08:46 AM         

On the Saturn/Neptune midpoint from Don McBroom's book:

"SA/NE Losses, or separation through deception or fraud. Habit. Things of long duration. Sickness. Treacherous diseases. Chronic ill health. Pestilence. Chronic conditions. Fraud. Theft. Losses. Pestilence or plague."

posted August 19, 2008 01:21 PM         

"Solar Arcs" and "Synthesis & Counseling in Astrology: The Professional Manual"

Noel Tyl's interpretation of ASC=Saturn/Neptune - Being a loner; feeling confined; sense of being "out of the group."

Geocosmic Valentine

posted August 19, 2008 03:53 PM         

How would the person get over that Saturn/Neptune problem of feeling like a loner? Or is it just an ongoing curse? Are most of those midpoints on his graph mis fortunate? I see quite a lot of North node but I can barely find interpretations for it.

posted August 19, 2008 04:07 PM         

It's not a curse!! We are all born with positives, negatives, gifts and difficulties in our charts. If you study the millions of different energies that can be expressed by the combination of Saturn and Neptune you will also see the positives. When someone is dealing with a difficult aspect in their chart, it helps to shape their life, it's all about life development and learning.

Example: John F. Kennedy had a Saturn-Neptune conjunction closely conjunct his Midheaven. Yes, part of those energies manifested as his back issues and Addison's disease, but those difficult times he had in hospitals and lying around didn't stop him from rough housing with his brothers, playing touch football, carousing, philandering, etc. There is a power element to it, a charisma, the photogenic publicity, his sailing skill, control on the water, Neptune=compassion, Saturn=Authority, the man was a compassionate leader.

I don't want to smooth over the fact that some aspects are very hard, but we must learn that over time we learn to work with difficult aspects like they are tools. Hammers, saws, sharp instruments, they don't all feel good and some of them are very difficult to use, you must building muscle to weild a sledge hammer properly, to chop down a tree without hurting yourself, to use a jack hammer or hot welding tools, you need to learn how to use them first.

Challenge your friend to find the positivity in this midpoint picture you've discovered. Yes, depression and possible health issues are the difficulties, now really dig into this internet/computer tool you have before you and find the positives.

Hmm...Neptune and Saturn

Neptune melts things, dissolves things, it's misty, veils things, it's chemicals and chemistry, visualization, feet, dancing, romance, etc.x 1,000,000,000.

Saturn is structure, solids, rocks, walls, rules, discipline, skin, bones, teeth, boundaries, gems, cold, ice, snow, etc.x 1,000,000,000.

Neptune/Saturn - photography, excellent visualization skills, glass blowing, sand sculpture, what else?

Geocosmic Valentine

posted August 20, 2008 02:59 AM         

If a person describes themselves as a "loner" that must mean they need time to themselves to restore their soul. If they are denied that, they will be miserable.

I confess I am a person needs that time on my own, even though I am quite a sociable person, and I have my own family. I snatch those times I can sit in solitude. Like now! I got up early for some time alone.

I've got Saturn/Neptune Opposition on my chart. It's not very nice, but like Mrs Valentine says, you can make the best of it. If Saturn is form and structure and Neptune is dreams and imagination you can put that together and make

a book! I work in a library. I studied philosophy. Oh, maybe I should say here that Neptune is also Conjunction Jupiter, so Saturn takes a swipe at Jupiter, as well. There's no point me pretending I am a dynamo of ambition and energy. I'm not. So I try and store up my energies for use when they are really needed.