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Happy Dragon
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posted August 20, 2008 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
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With Moon-Pluto aspects, you meet Pluto through the mother - which can manifest in a variety of scenarios. Something in you instinctively picks up on her darker or hidden feelings, any frustration, destructiveness or rage she is sitting on. You thus feel threatened by her, as if the one you love is also the one who could destroy you, who might turn around one day and kill you or abandon you.

I have moon opposite pluto and I don't identify with this at all. My mom was great. It was my dad that wasn't.

I do identify with the descriptions of moon/pluto emotionally, just not when it comes to the mother. I think that moon = mother is inaccurate.

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They were both me !! EXACTLY ME !!! It was kinda scary ... My mum was someone who gambled and she had kicked me out of the house at 14 and she played games with my head and whenever i got somewhere in life and got this beautiful house and a job she would cry and threaten to kill herself if i didnt come home because she didnt wanna be without her children so i would feel sorry for her come home and then she would throw me out again and not giv me my clothes or anything and i made this mistake a million times over the years. She would always say she just wanted me to learn my lesson and that she wanted me to suffer. I grew up getting cursed by her and she would wish the worst upon me and my grandmother would always say to me even if shes a prostitute shes ur mother and i hated my mum. I dont think i got nurtured or raised well at all in fact i raised myself and im 25 now and i live in one of sydneys top apartments i have a very good job and i now dont believe anything my mum says and i dont put up with her at all. Over the years she gave up gambling and then got on drugs and then after she stopped that shes an internet junkie. She cant stand to be alone yet shes the most evil person i know and i grew up thinking my mum was possessed by the devil.

In regrds to being that same person ... I might be in some ways though i hate it im very controlling because i worry about consequences and i have a built in fear of things going wrong or falling apart i control my relationships and i always think i know whats best but when it comes ot children i dont think i will be like her at all. I have had my cat for 7 years who i treat like mychild if not better and i would never lose respect for my cat even and i dont even yell at her and never haave i hope to give alot of love to my children and i would never play power struggle games like my mum did with my babies/children when i have them..

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posted October 07, 2008 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutoprincess     Edit/Delete Message
**Moon-Pluto people are quite intense, and they seem to thrive on intensity, drama and intrigue in relationship, no matter how admantly they deny this to be true.**


I have moon conjunct pluto in scorpio
This is sooooo true..most things said in the seminar are scarily accurrate about me !!

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posted October 07, 2008 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I have Moon conjunct Pluto with Pluto sextiling Neptune.

The Moon-Pluto didn't seem right for me. I mean, the violence implicated is a disgusting, repulsive thought to me! Further, I've become a fan of the less passionate, more friend-like relationship. I tend to think that passion precludes friendship, and I believe that when all is said and done there needs to be a fundamental friendship as the basis of a good relationship.

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I have heard many people with Moon-Pluto say, " My mother was very cold and repressed, she never showed any feelings".

My mom's a Leo, and I tend to see all female Leos as nurturing because of my mom. She is fairly religious, but even that doesn't make her "cold and repressed."

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posted October 07, 2008 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message
I have moon square pluto and my mom is very loving. She's very tough, intense, passionate and can be dangerous if pushed too far (she's a Scorpio), but I have never once doubted her love for me. She's always wanted children, so I doubt I got in the way of her plans.

What this aspect can signify are sudden upheavels in the family, which did happen. The love my mom has for me and my siblings has been very stable, but our life is nothing but chaos. Still, I wouldn't have it any other way!

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posted October 07, 2008 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for evander     Edit/Delete Message
I have NEptune conjunct Moon [Capricorn] sextile Pluto [Scorpio].

"I've sacrificed so much for you, and given up my chances for an independent life..."

If I had a nickle for every time I've heard that from my mother I would be owning Cuba now . But the thing is, it is true. She willingly sacrificed a huge part of her life so I would have a good place to live in and a chance for fulfilling my life goals and aspirations. I feel very much in debt to her and every less then perfect thing I do feels like a disappointment to her. I find myself caring how she will feel about something I did more then I do.

And there is another serious downside to this. Everything I do is her credit actually since none of that would've happened if there wasn't for at least one of her many sacrifices.

I often encouraged to halt the sacrificing and even openly confronted but that made almost no results. Partially I did that because I did not want her to be able to take the credit for my achievement. Am I the worst kid or what ?

I've never been lied to so I guess that does constitute as being too honest and open, if there is such a thing.

My Capricorn Moon [and an 8th house sag sun] indicates a mother who was both mother and father even while father was still alive.

As for the Moon Pluto: I've never seen my mother as a destructive person she is more of a professional pacifier. Yet her love life has led me to believe that I will not be in a happy relationship and that it will lead me to a downfall as the text above points out. I believe this made me a "forbidden fruit" fan a person who believes that true love comes just from incredible hardships.

I still have those beliefs and astrology doesn't comfort that segment of my life the least bit because I've got 8th house Venus on 22nd degree of Scorpio.


Thank you for the text transcripts they were certainly very insightful

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Thanks for posting this, HAPPY DRAGON. Here's a candidate with a natal Moon-Pluto-square speaking. I guess I've come over the "mother-factor" in my life and was able to understand her better and make my inner peace with her more aggressive traits ... but the problem in (love)-partnerships ... is still a thing I am working on.

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(...)You may gravitate to a partner with a festering nature or strong destructive urges, which you unwittingly trigger off (...)You can't relax easily in a relationship if you are waiting for the day your partner is going to turn ugly, or abandon or betray you. (...) Also, the more you love somebody, the more your happiness and fulfilment depend on that person. Therefore, if they let you down, you could turn very angry, or you'll simply resent the fact that someone has so much power over you. (...) Moon-Pluto people are quite intense, and they seem to thrive on intensity, drama and intrigue in relationship, no matter how admantly they deny this to be true. Unconsciously, they equate intimacy and closeness with transformation, as if relationships are meant to be a catalysts through which one is torn down and rebuilt.

All the above is 100% true for my Moon-Pluto-square.

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posted October 08, 2008 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
Errrr, moon/neptune/pluto person here and while I do heavily Identify with the personal traits associated with both aspects, I don't really identify with the mother issues. She does annoy me with silly superstitions and strict religiousness (which is partly cultural, partly 9th house Scorpio Venus) but other than that, she's fairly stable.

But then again the aspects involved with my moon are the trine and the sextile, Im sure someone with the harder aspects may have different experiences.


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