posted August 25, 2008 04:35 PM         

So to help each other get to that level, I though we'd help each other out and make a game of it by briefly listing a point that we personally think helps move us toward self love.

I'll start and you just add on.

To love myself is to not knowingly let anyone or anything hurt me. And if it is a person in a relationship that hurts me, I will remove myself from the situation because I would not hurt myself and therefore not let anyone else hurt me.

posted August 25, 2008 04:47 PM         

The secret is: IF you LOVE yourSELF completely NO other person can HURT YOU!

posted August 25, 2008 04:48 PM         

To love yourself is to learn to be happy on your own because only when you learn to be happy with your Self you could be happy with someone else

posted August 25, 2008 04:56 PM         

hahahah

posted August 25, 2008 05:05 PM         

To love myself is to completely let go of tomorrow and yesterday, embrace the now and have complete trust in my abilities and intuition.

posted August 25, 2008 09:26 PM         

To love myself is also to not let anyone else in this world shake my faith in myself. No person can knock you down if you're truly grounded in who you are. And indeed, you should never give any person that much power over you.

posted August 25, 2008 09:43 PM         

8th

posted August 26, 2008 02:06 PM         

I'm surprised to hear this from a Libra Moon. Maybe it is all of your "self" signs (zodiac signs 1-6) that bring this about.

Below I posted an exerpt that I read from a web page made by my Capricorn ex-girlfriend, but I find it very fitting for my Libra Moon.

"The Alchemist knew the legend of Narcissus, a youth who knelt daily beside a lake to contemplate his own beauty...One morning he fell into the lake and drowned...When Narcissus died, the goddess of the forest appeared and found the lake, which had been fresh water transformed into a lake of salty tears. 'Why do you weep?' the goddess asked. 'I weep for Narcissus' the lake replied. 'Ah, it is no surprise...you alone could contemplate his beauty close at hand.' 'But was Narcissus beautiful?' the lake asked. 'Who better than you to know that?' the goddess said in wonder...The lake was silent for some time. Finally it said, 'I weep for Narcissus, but I never noticed that Narcissus was beautiful. I weep because, each time he knelt beside my banks, I could see, in the depth of his eyes, my own beauty reflected.'" ~Paulo Coelho

posted August 26, 2008 02:23 PM         

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This is why I disagree with any notion that one must find self-love solely through themselves.

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I completely agree, Scorpy.

posted August 26, 2008 07:22 PM         

Furthermore, I don't know what the benifit would be in letting someone else or something else define self worth.

posted August 26, 2008 08:22 PM         

I think what GotGem is referring to is being a complete person so that you can love someone in a more perfect way. I'm thinking of that phrase that says something to the effect of "Love isn't just staring into eachother's eyes, it's looking outward in the same direction."

In other words, if you're not happy with yourself, and like attracts like, you'll most likely attract someone who's wrong for you.

If you are happy and complete, you'll attract another person who's happy and complete.

I'm a Libra rising, Pisces sun, Gem moon, with my chart ruler (venus) and North Node in the 7th. I'm alllll about partnership, but a healthy one.

I think that's what GG means. More of a "physician heal thyself" first, then be free to share yourself with another.

posted August 26, 2008 08:50 PM         

I have another one:

To love oneself is to love every part of you: physical, sexual, psychological, spiritual/emotional, and feel good about the person you are in all of those areas.

posted August 26, 2008 09:05 PM         

The lake says at the end:
"I could see, in the depth of his eyes, my own beauty reflected"

You added:
"This is why I disagree with any notion that one must find self-love solely through themselves."

posted August 26, 2008 09:36 PM         

You end by saying "This is why I disagree with any notion that one must find self-love solely through themselves."

But the point I got from your tale is that both Narcissus and the lake were just USING EACH OTHER in order to carry out their mutual self love.
They didn't love the other. The other just enabled the one to perpetuate the self-love.

posted August 26, 2008 10:16 PM         

So, Scorpionic is saying: "I disagree with any notion that one must find self-love solely through themselves".

He is talking about Self-Love and saying that apparently we are not meant to find Self-Love solely THROUGH ourselves, but also through something else?? through other people? through God? through the holy cow?
Who knows?

The point seems to be, that there is something else OUT THERE that we can find self-love through, other than ourselves. That is how he phrazed it.

Yoko - you're saying: "they were just USING EACH OTHER in order to carry out their mutual self love"

"They didn't love the other"

You seem to be getting at criticism for "they didn't love each other" - which involves LOVE FOR ANOTHER, not LOVE OF SELF. So I can't see the connection with Scorpionic's comment.

Even if they WERE indeed using each other to carry out their self-love, and even if they did NOT love one another, I just cannot understand how this leads to the conclusion:

"it is not true that we must find self-love SOLELY through ourselves".

In the story, they BOTH found self-love, through the reflection of themselves in the other. So they used the other person to achieve self-love.

They did not use themselves *alone* to achieve self-love. So Scorpionic, you seem to be endorssing the fact that they used the OTHER to achieve self-love, rather than using themselves.

The story may lead to the conclusions: 'They were both narcissistic', or 'They only had LOVE for themselves and their own reflection' or the moral: 'It's actually NOT a good thing to have love ONLY for yourself. You should also LOVE thy neighbour'

posted August 26, 2008 10:53 PM         

You seem to be getting at criticism for "they didn't love each other" - which involves LOVE FOR ANOTHER, not LOVE OF SELF. So I can't see the connection with Scorpionic's comment.

Even if they WERE indeed using each other to carry out their self-love, and even if they did NOT love one another, I just cannot understand how this leads to the conclusion:

"it is not true that we must find self-love SOLELY through ourselves".