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belgz
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posted September 01, 2008 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
This is a friend of mine who im very close with and we have mutual respect and trust for each other. But... This friend of mine walked out on her husband and left her 4 kids behind and moved to sydney. Since the beginning of 2004 she hasnt seen her children and doesnt want to either.

Shes started a new life with a muslim man and she now is covered like a muslim though shes australian and she just had a baby with her new husband who shes been with i think since about end of 2004..

What in a chart might show this? How can someone leave their children behind especially when he youngest was not even a year old.

Wouldnt having a child with this other guy bring back memories and i just dont undertsand her emotional nature but shes such a good person and she has a really good heart.

she went through a crazy period all of 2004 and slept around for a few months and then settled with him in about november 2004 here is her chart and transits around the time she left her home ..

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Deliverance
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posted September 01, 2008 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deliverance     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Belgz,

Not sure if you've noticed but you've left her name is on the chart.

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Azalaksh
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posted September 01, 2008 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Not enough information here, belgz. There is only your secondhand description -- nothing from either her or her husband. Maybe she hated her husband and didn't really want to have his children.....

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belgz
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posted September 01, 2008 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
Well she was with him since she was 18 i think and they did fall in love but then he said she said she said he was abusive towards her but would a mother still be fine leaving her children behind? How can someone leave their children and go start a new life?

She has NN conjunct moon and i have this placement as well but i dont think i could ever leave my children if i had any.

She no longer talks to her family either because theyre not supportive of her being with a muslim or converting from christianity to muslim.

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snohawk1
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posted September 01, 2008 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for snohawk1     Edit/Delete Message
You're just going to have to respect the Aquarius Venus, as genius it is.
And it doesn't not make sense.

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Dragoon
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posted September 01, 2008 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dragoon     Edit/Delete Message
that's some bizarre news. i think it has less to do with astrology than the usual things. but being a Capricorn i know that enough is enough, once they are fed up they will not look back.

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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted September 02, 2008 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
I am so sleepy so please forgive me if I don't dig through everything, but I want to show you one GIANT BIG BELL that is ringing in her chart that suggests it wasn't so difficult.

She has Uranus square Moon EXACT. Uranus is freedom, the Moon is children. I've seen this many times in charts where people have been separated from their own mothers, whether it's through adoption or death or any number of reasons, but it can also suggests someone who has given too much freedom to their children or women. Some men have this in their charts who love really wild and crazy women, and some people have a similar pattern when their mother was absolutely crazy.

I usually tell a client that their chart suggests that they experienced too much freedom as a child.

That's not the only thing, but it's a pretty good place to start.

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blue moon
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posted September 02, 2008 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Hey, Belgz, I'm really with you on this, but like you say our emotional natures are all different and this is one you just aren't going to get, ever. Anyway, you are only going to get half of the story, if that, so that is going to make it even more so.

Moon and Uranus is an interesting one.

My husband has the Trine, very close in orb, as on the chart above. Acutally they are 9 degrees apart on my chart. But I also have Uranus in a Grand Trine with the Sun and Mars so it is not easy to say if it has much influence. But I really think I subconsciously chose a partner who is self-contained and is not possessive. I know it wouldn't suit everyone but I like it.

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Lara
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posted September 02, 2008 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
well in defense of this poor girl I often think about leaving my ex husbands kids and running away. In fact without all that Aries 1st house strength I definitely would have left them by now.

For me I hate my ex with such venom for what he has put me through that quite a lot of the time when I look at his kids and see that they are just like him, I hate them too...

Give me a good excuse and I'll pack my bags and be off so I totally respect and understand where this girl is coming from. She is so young too...

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belgz
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posted September 02, 2008 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
i straight away looked up that uranus - moon with myself and my mums chart because i grew up with alot of freedom to even do drugs if i wanted to and i didnt have that aspect and neither did my mum. though i did read about that aspect elsewhere i thnk on a magazine that commented about angelina jolies kids chart that they may see her as unpredicatble or unreliable due to the saME aspect

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Lara
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posted September 02, 2008 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I checked my progressed chart and guess what... Moon conjunct Uranus in 5th!

No wonder I feel like this!!!

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Kick It
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posted September 02, 2008 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
Looking at the 5th house, Gemini on the cusp.
Mercury is only badly aspected by a square to Saturn. Capricorn on the 12th.

I guess the 12th/Neptune/Pisces has a kind of adoption flavour to it. Thats where to look.

Sun, ruler of the 7th, is conjunct Mercury too. Still the square to Saturn which can indicate not only her 12th, but her partners 6th.
Takes a lot of turning the chart round which might seem to cause too many headaches, but the partner (old one) having to give up work to look after the kids.

Mars return for her now. Is this in the news? Seems like something they would gobble up.
Does sound fairly Aquarian thing to do. Break for freedom...even though it just sounds like a new start...with more kids and then all over again.

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sunshine_lion
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posted September 02, 2008 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine_lion     Edit/Delete Message
Men do it all the time...not much gets said...now I find women are doing it more and more and it's like its the worst thing in the world. And the man who is left holding the bag wants a gold medal parent of the year award...poo-poo on that..pass them gold medals out to all the single moms first who have done it throughout history. Matter of fact, I will take mine first..Yes, both parents should be there for thier children, but I just can't see how it is worse for a woman to do it than a man...and like I said...men abandon thier children and wives all the time, every day, in every town. If us women can buck up and do what it takes to raise our children and society doesn't give a crap, why is it such a community event when the mom walks...oh this poor guy needs help,,his wife left him with all those kids...wah wah wah...cry me a river. Ok, Off my soapbox now...maybe since it was an abusive relationship like you said, it was her only way out. You know, you can leave, but you are not taking these kids anywhere kind of thing.

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Kick It
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posted September 02, 2008 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
Ok, stepping aside from astrology for a moment.....

It worse for a woman to do it because she (or he/it as the case has been recently) actually gives birth to the child. Call it carry or whatever you like, but she actually has repsonsibilty for how the child is brought up in the womb.
Although looking at current laws, it seems Men are responsible despite not actually giving birth. Funny old world eh?

Not even started on the soapbox.

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sunshine_lion
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posted September 02, 2008 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine_lion     Edit/Delete Message
ah, gender roles.... kick it?

I thought we were enlightened and created equal and what is good for one is good enough for the other..

Please cave man , come get me so I can quit this job and serve you forever.

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Kick It
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posted September 02, 2008 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
I would, but you sound nutty.

What you on about?

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sunshine_lion
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posted September 02, 2008 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine_lion     Edit/Delete Message
yeah yeah...I'm nutty like a fruitcake. Still waiting.

I think geo valentine knows her stuff. (always did)

Uranus / moon EXACT square..


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Kick It
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posted September 02, 2008 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
Any Man or Woman who leaves their child deserves a good something and it should not be nice.

Changed religion too?

Venus, ruler of 9th square Uranus, ruler of 1st. Interesting that Moon is involved, like you say. Although it does rule the 6th. Divorce maybe? Although with 1st square 6th ruler, I guess its about being a little work shy. Though that seems fine when you raise children as a career. Expected even.

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darkdreamer
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posted September 02, 2008 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
I think it`s horrible if a parent leaves their children, no matter if it`s the father or the mother.

Lara,
aren`t those your children, too? Or are you taking care of children, your husband had with another woman?

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Lara
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posted September 02, 2008 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
kick it - I'm surprised at you!

Sunshine - the father of my kids still abuses me four years on from our divorce. He constantly puts me down to our sons... And I have considered leaving them with him for a while so he sees how it really is and to give myself a break from them all before they all kill me! So I agree with you... insecure, emotionally retarded and damaging men/fathers should be told to shut up with the whining and bloody grow up!
My ex doesn't pay a penny in child maintenance, is inconsistent in visiting the boys and does so much damage to them leaving me to pick up the pieces.
Enough is enough!

DD - they are our kids but anyone would think l went to a sperm bank!

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Azalaksh
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posted September 02, 2008 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
DD, I understand how Lara feels -- I feel that way sometimes too. My innocent son doesn't know how much he acts like his abusive father and I would never tell him that he does. But sometimes he flat out creeps me out with things he says and does, and then I get angry -- and then I want to run.....

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sunshine_lion
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posted September 02, 2008 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine_lion     Edit/Delete Message
kick it said - but she actually has repsonsibilty for how the child is brought up in the womb -

just read it again. I won't comment.

Lara and Zala, too often we sugar coat stuff because we are woman and just be quiet and do the right thing. I totally understand those feelings. Especially when they get a number done on thier heads and here comes the bucket full of disrespect. Oh, but we are mothers, we are supposed to never say a word, just do what we have to do and never ever let them hear you grumble. He gets the glory we pick up the peices. I doesn't hurt my feelings any to see that shoe on the other foot once in awhile.

Had I had it to do over again, I would seriously consider not having children..and mine are grown...hard work done..right?

And I ask, the mother or father that throws 4 kids off a bridge, the mother or father that can't take it anymore or deal empotionally with the HUGE job of parenthood...wouldn't thay have been better off to walk away? Yes, she had another child, that may make her irresponsible, but...how many men do it over and over and have several children, several mothers, and dodge the child support bullet...Because they didn't "Raise the child in the womb" they don't owe that child? Wow. (couldn't resist just that once)

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sunshine_lion
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posted September 02, 2008 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine_lion     Edit/Delete Message
and ZALA,,
I know what you are saying. Makes you wonder how much of persoanlity is genetics, how much astro, and how much environmental. My son is not always respectful of his girlfriend. Not in front of me, but I have heard. I totally know what you are saying. Looks alike is one thing, personality charactaristics tell me I should have bred better...but they didn't have that pass/fail questionaire perfected back then.

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darkdreamer
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posted September 02, 2008 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Lara and Zala,

̀`m in no place to judge anyone nor would I want to. If I came across as if I did, I`m sorry.

But still, I think it`s horrible for the children.
I`m in no way saying that it means one should stay in an abusive relationship (I know oyu know me better than to assume I would think that) or that the father can avoid his responsibilities.

I just think that both parents will always be parents, no matter how much they hate each other and how much injustice one did to the other.

And I would have thought that a mother or father would feel the urge to protect their children from the abusive parent. It`s just what I was thinking, but I have never been in an abusive relationship and I don´t have kids, so I maybe really just don`t understand how much damage can be done to one`s psyche in such a situation and that it must be awful to be constantly reminded of the hell you must have been through.


And still, if I think of the children, I can`t help but thinking how lost they must feel, as through this they are losing both parents. That is all I wanted to point out.

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Lara
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posted September 02, 2008 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
kick it seems to prefer a deposit account to a high interest savings account!

yeah the 'mothers raise their babies in the womb' really I a shocker! :I

I would never leave my kids forever nor throw them off a bridge but I don't think any man on this planet understands how hard it is to raise 3 kids totally alone and only getting space when you get to go out twice a month!!!
It really takes a strong woman to handle that type of sacrifice and lonely life...

I'm never quiet... I stand up to my ex and tell him he's a ******* to his face when he threatens to kill me and hes so pathetic he just shouts back and quakes in his shoes! I never never would do that infront of the kids though even though he always does. My boys have no respect for me now which is what rips me apart the most. Men have a lot to answer for when they ruin their kids to get back at their exes cos they are stupid to think I'm the one being affected!

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