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posted September 02, 2008 07:36 PM         

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Usually I find that astrology is very accurate, but sometimes I just don't get it. Here is the chart of a female I know. She is very structured, has a square mind, is shy, is not very expressive. She likes to travel. You would think that with a sag sun, leo asc and mars conjunct jupiter in the first that she is very expressive and extroverted. What do you think in her chart could explain why she is not like that? Because I don't see it, but I'm not an expert. Maybe some of you knowflakes can help me. Thanks.

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posted September 02, 2008 07:39 PM         

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While she does have mars-jup conj in 1st house and this of course would be expressed very publicly in her projection, she has this virgo. Virgos are very detailed and neat and I wouldn't say that it is the most extroverted sign. Also her first house intercepts virgo completely so there might be some sort of blockage with her projection. All this notwithstanding the mars-jup conj that is squ her sun.

Add to that saturn, which is the great taskmaster in the first, that would make her very orderly and structured and may dampen any excessive enthusiasm down.

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posted September 02, 2008 07:41 PM         

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Plus she has other things in earth such as venus, moon and NN. These along with her mars-jup would make her very earthy and toned down. She might have radical thoughts because she has merc conj ura but they are both in sco, so she might be quite secretive in terms of what she is thinking.

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posted September 03, 2008 12:31 AM         

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The person has 9 out of 10 planets in the night half of the chart, which is the introverted part of the chart.

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Sun in Pisces, Moon in Aquarius, Ascendant in Libra

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posted September 03, 2008 01:00 AM         

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I agree with solo fish. with the majority of the planets in the bottom half of the chart could make a person more introverted.. and if they were in the top half the person would clearly be a social animal.

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posted September 03, 2008 01:21 AM         

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The person has 9 out of 10 planets in the night half of the chart, which is the introverted part of the chart.

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posted September 03, 2008 01:22 AM         

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sorry, I didn't mean to send that again....just trying to refresh my page

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posted September 03, 2008 01:27 AM         

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This is an observation I've had with my Capricorn friends, but if Neptune is in the same sign as the Sun (not necessarily aspecting it, mind you), the native is not going to be very much like their Sun sign.

This is just a GUESS I've had, I haven't had access to nearly enough charts to really test it.

Plus Saturn is in her first house, though not aspecting her ASC. I think that might have a little to do with it.

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posted September 03, 2008 01:31 AM         

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I agree with everything written above. The planets have conspired to occupy the lower hemisphere, and Saturn being in the 1st house. I have both of these "symptoms". Major introvert.

Mystery solved!

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posted September 03, 2008 01:41 AM         

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Very earthy/watery chart overall.
Lack of air signs..

That may be why.

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posted September 03, 2008 01:53 AM         

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Looks like this person was born only a week before me. It's interesting looking at the differences in our similar charts.

What I'm most surprised by is her having a "square" mind. I didn't realize someone with a Merc-Uran conjunction could be like that. But looking at her chart, I see that although we both have [Merc conj Uranus] sextile [Saturn] she has Saturn in her first house, while I have Merc-Uran in my first house. So in that configuration, she identifies more with the Saturn influence than the Merc-Ura one.

Her Moon, the one planet she has in the top half of her chart, is in the 8th house, which isn't what I'd call an extroverted house. Her comfort zone is one-on-one relationships rather than social groups. The Sun-IC conj in particular must contribute greatly to her shyness. If the IC is how we feel on the inside, and the MC is how we believe our inner self should manifest in the outer world, the Sun on her IC may make her timid about fully expressing her personality. It may feel more natural to be private, perhaps because she isn't confident in her ability to be outgoing. Then again, it may not be a confidence thing at all, but instead she's just private and is very selective about who she shares her self with.

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posted September 03, 2008 05:37 AM         

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this has got to be one of the more intriguing chart patterns i have seen. it all points up to her moon in a beautiful pattern.

i agree the 8th moon is very private - and in earth to boot.

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posted September 03, 2008 05:54 AM         

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My husband has Moon in 8th at the same degree of Taurus.

The Moon is exalted in Taurus.

He is far more perceptive than most people realise. He tends to keep his observations to himself, for the most part. You would have to know him very well to pick up on it. He will not get involved in gossip, you could tell him anything (and I do) he would not repeat it. Every now and then he will say: they told you, not me, keep it to yourself, and sometimes I do. But if I do repeat something I know it will absolutely not go any further.

With this placement I suspect she has a very good understanding of people's feelings and motivations. It's interesting how the Moon forms a GT with Mars and Venus but I would have to ponder on that for a while to think how that would display itself ~ one thing I know from many personal examples is that Virgo Mars people are often very artistic particularly in sense of being adept at technical detail.

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posted September 03, 2008 06:27 AM         

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Excellent observations from everyone, and I agree. But still, I'm surprised that the Leo ASC doesn't outwardly mask this tendency to "introversion". I know a Leo rising with Saturn in Virgo in the 1st house who appears to others to be extroverted, but it's really just a public 'persona' with a lot of quietness and insecurity behind it. I'm not saying that your friend is insecure, because that doesn't have to be a reason for someone being introverted. I think of myself as reasonably quiet, but it's more of a combination of 'privacy' and not needing to be particularly extroverted.

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posted September 03, 2008 07:00 AM         

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Having pondered on this a little, I think maybe she structures her perceptions and observations into an internal order, something is workable for her personally, it would make sense for both seeming to have a 'square mind' and not being overly extroverted.

Being a Grand Trine it could be let lie as a naturally ability or at its best could be channelled into creative expression. Venus is in the 5th, and like I say we have Mars in Virgo, a placement I have always found will find some way of letting out artistic talent small or grand.

The Sun Square Mars is also interesting. There is an inbuilt conflict between the orderly Virgoan drive and Sag idealism. I wonder if she suffers from wanting to force things to be a certain way? It could be the strain necessary to force that Grand Trine fulfill it's potential.

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posted September 03, 2008 08:24 PM         

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Thanks everyone, those were helpful observations. The thing is that I know some people who have all (or almost all) their planets in the bottom half of the chart and they are not introverted at all.
Blue moon: it's true, for her things have to be a certain way. She can't improvise, everything has to be organized, everything has to have an explanation. She is very analytical and critical so I guess that comes from the virgo planets.
She's gotten better though, is slowly starting to loosen up. She used to be a lot worse.
Going back to top and bottom of charts. For example, I wouldn't say that the 12th house is sociable and extroverted, and yet it's in the top half of the chart. Maybe the outer world doesn't necessarily mean extroversion and the inner world doesn't mean introversion. I guess a person could have a strong focus on their inner world and still be extroverted. What do you think?

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posted September 03, 2008 10:17 PM         

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The main reason is because of Sun and Neptune in the 4th house, especially the sun

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