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Topic: soulmates and past lives?
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haybelly
Knowflake Posts: 230
From: The bigrock candy mountains
Registered: Jul 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 01:03 PM
 
Hey, can you check out our charts and tell me if we have had past lives together? or how about twin souls or soulmates?I know we are soulmates and have been together in this life 10 years now. I can't really think of anything we fight about or disagree on though sometimes a bad mood will rear its ugly head.
We would like to have another child, we do have an 8 year old and I am getting older....so far not happening... Any vibes on that?
We just feel that we have been around each other in times past, we are the couple that meets and gets married in a very short time and everyone says it won't work, but it has! I am 10 years older than him. His information is FIRST. Mine is SECOND and ours combined is THIRD.
HIS:
Planet Aspect Planet Orb/Value
Sun Square Mars 2.09 -103
Moon Square Venus 1.46 -56
Moon Trine Saturn 1.11 39
Moon Conjunction Midheaven
Mercury Trine Mars 1.21 116
Mercury Conjunction Pluto 5.47 152
Mercury Trine Ascendant 4.02 40
Venus Trine Jupiter 2.55 76
Venus Sextile Uranus 3.42 15
Venus Opposition Ascendant 8.18
Mars Opposition Neptune 6.18 -48
Mars Trine Pluto 7.08 8
Mars Trine Ascendant 2.41 40
Jupiter Square Saturn 5.53 -1
Jupiter Opposition Uranus 6.37 -42
Saturn Square Uranus 0.44 -43
Saturn Trine Midheaven 4.55 11
Neptune Sextile Pluto 0.49 48
Neptune Conjunction Midheaven 4.50
Zodiac in degrees Placidus Orb:0
Sun Virgo Ascendant Aquarius
Moon Scorpio II Aries
Mercury Libra III Taurus
Venus Leo IV Gemini
Mars Gemini V Gemini
Jupiter Aries VI Cancer
Saturn Cancer VII
Leo
Uranus Scorpio VIII Libra
Neptune Sagittarius IX Scorpio
Pluto Libra Midheaven Sagittarius
Lilith Pisces XI Sagittarius
Asc node Scorpio XII Capricorn
MINE:
Zodiac Placidus
Sun Pisces Ascendant Taurus
Moon Pisces II Gemini
Mercury Aries III Cancer
Venus Aquarius IV
Leo
Mars Aries V
Leo
Jupiter Gemini VI Libra
Saturn Pisces VII
Scorpio
Uranus Virgo VIII Sagittarius
Neptune Scorpio IX Capricorn
Pluto Virgo Midheaven Aquarius
Lilith Aquarius XI Aquarius
Asc node Taurus XII Aries 5.27
Planet Aspect Planet Orb/Value
Sun Conjunction Mercury 1.49 589
Sun Conjunction Mars 9.02 66
Sun Conjunction Saturn 8.28 26
Sun Trine Neptune 7.32 7
Sun Sextile Ascendant 3.38 19
Sun Sextile Midheaven 1.50 108
Moon Conjunction Saturn 9.09 7
Moon Opposition Uranus 5.09 -103
Moon Opposition Pluto 4.56 -90
Mercury Conjunction Mars 7.13 234
Mercury Sextile Midheaven 0.01 159
Jupiter Square Saturn 1.57 -42
Jupiter Square Uranus 5.57 -0
Saturn Opposition Uranus 4.00 -78
Saturn Trine Neptune 0.56 53
Saturn Opposition Pluto 4.13 -53
Uranus Conjunction Pluto 0.13 157
Neptune Opposition Ascendant 3.54
OURS: sam Aspect kristin Orb/Value
Sun Opposition Saturn 3.29 -68
Sun Conjunction Uranus 0.31 169
Sun Conjunction Pluto 0.44 135
Moon Trine Sun 1.20 267
Moon Trine Mercury 3.09 116
Moon Sextile Midheaven 0.31 35
Mercury Trine Venus 0.20 131
Mars Trine Venus 1.01 93
Mars Square Uranus 1.38 -90
Mars Square Pluto 1.25 -82
Jupiter Sextile Jupiter 0.29 70
Saturn Trine Sun 0.08 118
Saturn Trine Mercury 1.58 72
Saturn Opposition Midheaven 0.40 -30
Uranus Square Midheaven 1.25 -41
Neptune Square Moon 2.42 -80
Neptune Trine Mars 0.35 64
Pluto Opposition Mars 0.14 -62
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Kismet*
Knowflake Posts: 107
From: CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 03:05 PM
Aspects between personal planets do not indicate past life invovement.You want to look for close to exact hard aspects from personal planets to the others outer planets and nodes. The nodes are the revealers of past life connections. Especially if the couple is forming a t-square and the nodes are involved.
The angular house aspects, especially conjunctions, indicate a possible past life connection, but I think only if they are conjunctions to the others outer planets.
You should focus on closer orbs. They are the strongest.
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astroleolady
Knowflake Posts: 442
From: In the æther
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted September 03, 2008 06:02 PM
In addition to the Nodes of the Moon, you can look to the 12th house for indications of past lives, to the 4th house for biological karma, to Saturn The Lord of Karma and to Pluto for soul-mates.
http://groups.msn.com/HOROSCOPESCHAT/spiritual.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=109047&LastModified=4675539704117581372 IP: Logged |
haybelly
Knowflake Posts: 230
From: The bigrock candy mountains
Registered: Jul 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 09:27 PM
Thanks for the reading list and the help.
Could you tell me what "the orbs" are?
I am really just learning all of this and the more I learn, the more complex it gets!What about Pluto should I focus on? IP: Logged |
Kismet*
Knowflake Posts: 107
From: CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 10:24 PM
I like to use a 3 degree orb or less but only if there are also exact conjunctions or oppositions that carry the synastry chart. Whenever you see these exact aspects, they tend to define the relationship in my experience. I mean, weaker ones come last, so I sometimes block them out all together...
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Kismet*
Knowflake Posts: 107
From: CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 10:24 PM
I like to use a 3 degree orb or less but only if there are also exact conjunctions or oppositions that carry the synastry chart. Whenever you see these exact aspects, they tend to define the relationship in my experience. I mean, weaker ones come last, so I sometimes block them out all together...
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Bluemchen_P
Knowflake Posts: 10
From: Tübingen, Germany
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted September 04, 2008 05:58 AM
Hello!I am also a beginner in this field or I havent done much in it for some years. I only have Linda`s book about relationships and there it is said that whenever Venus coincides with Pluto (Im not sure of the terms in English) its a sign for karmic connection from past lives. The thing that irritates me though is that you can search the aspects with a certain partner from your point of view i.e. your sun is in conjunction with his moon and so on. But when you try the other way around you get different aspects. So what would it mean if you for example have this karmic aspect between venus and pluto and your partner doesnt? Does this mean hes detached or something?  IP: Logged |
Kismet*
Knowflake Posts: 107
From: CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2008
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posted September 04, 2008 06:11 PM
When your sun is aspect to his moon, this means that you are the sun energy and he's the moon energy. Detached is not the way to put it because you have to look at the planets making aspects to figure out what is being triggered in each person. Also you would be the Venus and he the Pluto if that's what you were asking because I'm not sure Pluto and Venus could be important with karmic connections, but like I said there simply has to be more evidence in the syanstry to back it up. IP: Logged |
Lara
Knowflake Posts: 3274
From: London
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted September 04, 2008 06:31 PM
any NN/Chiron aspects within 2degrees to inner planets or angles? IP: Logged |
Bluemchen_P
Knowflake Posts: 10
From: Tübingen, Germany
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted September 05, 2008 05:51 AM
Thanks for the input Yes, I guess Ill have to read much more... I know that in that certain aspect I Was Venus and he Pluto.
The other strange question flying around my head these days was how many aspects are enough to prove that there is a solid background for a love relationship? The single aspects are described but how can you assess them so that you get a yes/no answer? I usually make + - signs next to the aspect and write the idea of it.I guess its not that easy is it...IP: Logged |
Diandra23
Knowflake Posts: 2240
From: portugal
Registered: Mar 2007
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posted September 05, 2008 06:51 AM
Kismetdont forget the Draconic Charts  IP: Logged |
Kismet*
Knowflake Posts: 107
From: CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2008
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posted September 05, 2008 06:30 PM
Are draconic charts kind of like a souls contract into the next life? If you have draconic planets conjunct someone's natal planets, this means you have ongoing karma with them that will continue into the next life.But this doesn't necessarily ring true for soul mates all the time. You could be finishing your karma with your soul mate in this lifetime and will be done with them forever.... in this case you would look at the Hindi/Lahiri Sidereal chart on Astro.com to see if there are also exact conjunctions to the others natal chart, because the this chart signifies the completion of karma. It's quite fascinating actually, someone very special to me has his Sidereal sun conjunct my south node and my sidereal sun conjuncts his Chiron and Asc and my sidereal moon conjuncts his Uranus. All these points are some of the strongest in our synastry and my natal Venus conjuncts his natal Chiron - Precisely. As for the ongoing soul contract, he has his Draconic Saturn in Libra at 15 degrees and my ASC in 12 degrees Libra, so I'm not sure if it would count for ongoing karma between us. My Karma (asteroid) also conjuncts his Venus and Mars which all conjunct my south node. I could go on and on about karma and soul mates : ) IP: Logged |
Diandra23
Knowflake Posts: 2240
From: portugal
Registered: Mar 2007
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posted September 08, 2008 07:23 PM
Kismet,actually im not an expert of any kind - at this level im a curious who strongly believes in Reincarnation and therefore,most of my astrological analyses passes through a kind of search for those same conections that points to karmic/ancient and future bonds thourhout the Times. I see dracos as charts that show us our conections onto the past encarnations and not the next life.but am i wrong? Many time ago VenusdeIndia sent a document revealing to which chart pointed to the diferent levels of Time and Karma. let me see: "His research found that when comparing the nativities of family members, there
were exact conjunctions between the Tropical Zodiac planets in one chart with the Draconic Zodiac positions in the second chart. The premise here is that an ongoing soul contract exists between parents,
children and siblings who reincarnate into the same family system from lifetime to lifetime. This Zodiac is lunar based, thus relating to the karma of ancestral blood lines". When employing the Draconic Zodiac, the astrologer can understand the individual's experience at a
family or hereditary level. An astrologer using the Tropical Zodiac is ideally suited to delineate the
individual's experience at a personality level, and to be able to perceive the life purpose of the present
incarnation. When using the Sidereal Zodiac, the astrologer can clearly see the individual's experience at
a soul level, and can also understand the completion of karma occurring during the present incarnation.
When utilizing the Heliocentric Zodiac, the astrologer can identify the Christ Consciousness operating
within the individual, as well as identifying particular strengths of virtue that any soul possesses." So,Dracos´s plane of reality is "Ongoing Soul Contract" - thn can end up in one life - but Sidereal´s is the "Completion of Karma occuring though the present encarnation". So,meaning that if there are conj.from one+s natal to other´s Sidereal,then only then it rings true for SM? Im quite confused now  bUT I went to look out with my special person: Sidereal vs other´s Natal - within 3şorb His S.Sun conj my N.Sun (5)
His S.Venus cj.my N.Sun (3)*
His S.Venus opose my N.Anna (3)*
His S.Venus opose my Arabic Wedding Part*
His S.Mars exact opose my S.Osiris
His S.Saturn cj my Merc(ruler of my sun)
His S.Pluto cj my Merc/and ASC
His S.NN cj my Vesta
His S.Kiron cj my Juno
his S.VX opose my Moon*
His S.Juno cj my Kiron -DW
His S.Juno is exact opose my Anna*
His S.Valentine cj my Moon
His S.Karma exact cj my VX *
His S.Karma exact cj my Jonnhy*
His S.Amor wide cj my Venus and conj my Solstice Point of POM *
His S.AC is cj my MC * - his S.DC conj my natal IC then..funny that in Draconics his D.IC conj my IC also! My S.Sun cj his N.Moon (5)
my S.Sun cj his Vesta
My S.Venus sOlstice cj his Kiron*
My S.Jup cj his Jupiter and Pallas
My S.Saturn cj his Sun 1*(my D.AC cj his D.Saturn)
my S.Pluto cj his Sun 3
my S.NN cj exact his Kiron*
my S.Kiron cj is Karma*
My S.VX opose his N.Venus *
My S.Juno cj his N. MC
My S.vALENTINE is cj his SOLstice Valentine POint (1)*
My S.Karma is cj. his Solstice Valentine Point (3)*
My S.Amor cj his Moon/ Union
My S.Osiris cj his Destinn
My S.ISIS opose his POM/Ceres (cj his D.Amor)
My S.Union/Destinn cj his NN/opose his Osiris/Isis/Jonnhy
My S.AC cj his Amor*
My D.IC cj his VX 1ş*opose his Valentine So,it seems that we both share not only an ongoing contract ( by the Dracos and probably share family ties),but also a completion relational karma,seen in terms of a romantic involvement? IP: Logged |
Diandra23
Knowflake Posts: 2240
From: portugal
Registered: Mar 2007
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posted September 08, 2008 07:36 PM
in your opinion,what would be the most important aspects to look for?And can we compare:sidereal to draco?
draco to helio?
helio to sidereal? what charts can we compare to each other? IN what i have understood i think Helio works only at an individual level,our Humanitarian traits of the Soul at the deepest point. IP: Logged |
haybelly
Knowflake Posts: 230
From: The bigrock candy mountains
Registered: Jul 2008
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posted September 08, 2008 08:48 PM
oh my! I just started this thread to see if my husband and I were soulmates....wow! way too deep for me!I have no idea what you are talking about, but it sounds interesting. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
Knowflake Posts: 3991
From: Germany
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 09, 2008 02:43 AM
Diandra,we tend to relate the Draconic very much to past lives, but they actually signify a "soulcontract"; sure this has been valid in the past, but it also reaches into the present and even future. Don`t forgtet the Draco´s are calculated by using the North Node, which points us to the future, too. IP: Logged |
Bluemchen_P
Knowflake Posts: 10
From: Tübingen, Germany
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted September 09, 2008 07:41 AM
Haybelly, right? I felt the same way! Its like a whole new dimension of astrology opened up with a simple question IP: Logged |
Diandra23
Knowflake Posts: 2240
From: portugal
Registered: Mar 2007
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posted September 09, 2008 09:23 AM
It´s a very wide world - the astrology one much more than we think of! DD, so,you think that having important aspects in Draco dont necessarily mean only past life karma,but also future ones?
But that way,we would never finish those karmas isnt it? IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
Knowflake Posts: 3991
From: Germany
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 09, 2008 09:31 AM
Well, do we ever really finish Karma? *sighs*I`m no expert, but lately I`ve come to the conclusion that not in all cases KARMAMATES and SOULMATES are the same thing, even though it happens pretty often. Sometimes the only thing you "have to do" with a soulmate is love him unconditionally, just because. Just because he is part of your soulfamily.
Maybe you`ll finish the Karma with HIM in a later life. And not all KARMAMATES are close soulmates.
But coming back to the Draco`s. They do relate heavily to Karma, but you don`t always have past Karma, there is also the Karma you`re experiencing in the present, spanning to the future, and the Draco`s show that, too.
Just think of the nodal axis. That is the same as Draco`s.
Oh and btw I think the completion of Karma you can see in the constellations your sidereal zodiac makes to your natal or maybe even the other`s sidereal (at least Blashke wrote that in his book).
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Dani California
Knowflake Posts: 312
From: UK
Registered: Apr 2007
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posted September 09, 2008 09:57 AM
OOOH this is interesting!! Right I'm a little confused with this Draco stuff, I'm quite the beginner and there's lots to be learnt. I have a question!! After doing my Draco chart over on astro.com, what am I comparing it to? Do I then compare it to my other half's normal natal chart? I'm confused LOL! Also, any books on the subject of astrology and karma and the like? I find it fascinating!! IP: Logged |
Diandra23
Knowflake Posts: 2240
From: portugal
Registered: Mar 2007
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posted September 09, 2008 03:22 PM
Dani,yes you can compare it to your natal tropical chart and also to the chart of persons you want to understand better what kind of relationship you have with them ( this one i think it works on a deeper level). acording to the document i have it says that in families and with loved ones,it always appears strong conections between the natals of one onto the dracos of another. IP: Logged |
Dani California
Knowflake Posts: 312
From: UK
Registered: Apr 2007
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posted September 10, 2008 09:27 AM
Diandra - thank you. So the best way to compare charts is to use my own natal chart and compare it with the other persons draco? to see the connections? I'm finding all this fascinating I must say IP: Logged |
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